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[TheProtheans]

AlanC9 wrote...

iakus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

There is some conspiracy behind triggering the event to refuse the options given by repeating the act representative of refusing the options?

Actually, yes.  The action that became the symbol for disgust with the endings becomes the trigger for the fourth "Rocks Fall" ending.

Was Bio actually aware that a lot of people were shooting the kid? When I read posts like that pre-EC I thought people were joking; shooting at a hologram is idiotic, and I didn't realize that people are OK with making their Sheps do idiotic things.

I would stop there, there is no reason to continue other than for the achievements. 

[Eryri]

I'm not sure that the Refuse ending itself was intended maliciously on Bioware's part.

But the Twitter-Canon "revelation" that the next cycle went on to use the Crucible plans, and inflict multi-hued magic on the galaxy anyway... Now THAT seemed like spite.

I might have been able to enjoy the refuse ending by imagining that the next cycle found its own, hitherto unimagined, way to defeat the reapers, one that didn't involve betraying their synthetic allies, or the seizure of absolute power by one individual with an army of slaves, or the re-defining of all life to suit the Catalyst's idea of perfection.

But no. We're not even to be allowed that small crumb of comfort. Refusal is absolutely, and unequivocally, the "wrong" choice. In this instance, "speculation" is not allowed. Gee, thanks for that little gem of a tweet Bioware.

Modifié par Eryri, 20 mai 2013 - 08:49 .

[CronoDragoon]

Eryri wrote...

I'm not sure that the Refuse ending itself was intended maliciously on Bioware's part.

But the Twitter-Canon "revelation" that the next cycle went on to use the Crucible plans, and inflict multi-hued magic on the galaxy anyway... Now THAT seemed like spite.

I might have been able to enjoy the refuse ending by imagining that the next cycle found its own, hitherto unimagined, way to defeat the reapers, one that didn't involve betraying their synthetic allies, or the seizure of absolute power by one individual with an army of slaves, or the re-defining of all life to suit the Catalyst's idea of perfection.

But no. We're not even to be allowed that small crumb of comfort. Refusal is absolutely, and unequivocally, the "wrong" choice. In this instance, "speculation" is not allowed. Gee, thanks for that little gem of a tweet Bioware.

IIRC that tweet was by Gamble who has no input into the story. That's what he believes happens in Refuse.

[Linkenski]

iakus wrote...

It's Bioware trolling the players:

"Don't like our endings? Frak you! Rocks fall! Everyone dies!"

Yeah the refusal ending is a slap in the face, but it's not just a big middle finger to the fans. It's sort of like a lesson where Bioware is saying "THIS is what happens if you try to beat them conventionally. It's not supposed to be possible!"

[TheProtheans]

Eryri wrote...

I'm not sure that the Refuse ending itself was intended maliciously on Bioware's part.

But the Twitter-Canon "revelation" that the next cycle went on to use the Crucible plans, and inflict multi-hued magic on the galaxy anyway... Now THAT seemed like spite.

I might have been able to enjoy the refuse ending by imagining that the next cycle found its own, hitherto unimagined, way to defeat the reapers, one that didn't involve betraying their synthetic allies, or the seizure of absolute power by one individual with an army of slaves, or the re-defining of all life to suit the Catalyst's idea of perfection.

But no. We're not even to be allowed that small crumb of comfort. Refusal is absolutely, and unequivocally, the "wrong" choice. In this instance, "speculation" is not allowed. Gee, thanks for that little gem of a tweet Bioware.

If you took tweets seriously then EDI would be alive in the Destroy ending.
Tweets are not part of the game or the story and are in many cases incorrect so don't cite them.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 20 mai 2013 - 08:54 .

[TheRealJayDee]

What I wanted was for the Mass Effect trilogy to end with a variety of equally satisfying ending possibilities, to discuss with my friends and other fans...

[Eryri]

CronoDragoon wrote...

IIRC that tweet was by Gamble who has no input into the story. That's what he believes happens in Refuse.

It still would have been wiser for him to refrain from commenting. Even though he's not a writer, as a Bioware employee, his tweets have a sort of "authority" to them, irrational though that may be. And presumably the writing staff would share their thoughts with him.

TheProtheans wrote...

If you took tweets seriously then EDI would be alive in the Destroy ending.

Ha! Good point! And the Normandy would have crashed on a lush and verdant Mars as well perhaps?

[Legbiter]

I loved Bioware for trolling the hell out of players who failed the Intelligence Test and picked Refuse.

[spirosz]

Legbiter wrote...

I loved Bioware for trolling the hell out of players who failed the Intelligence Test and picked Refuse.

Those two are related? 

[Nerevar-as]

Legbiter wrote...

I loved Bioware for trolling the hell out of players who failed the Intelligence Test and picked Refuse.

Or didn´t metagame. Because with an option to refuse, who is stupid enough to listen to a genocidal AI brat?

[TheProtheans]

Legbiter wrote...

I loved Bioware for trolling the hell out of players who failed the Intelligence Test and picked Refuse.

Damn trolls

[KingZayd]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Eryri wrote...

I'm not sure that the Refuse ending itself was intended maliciously on Bioware's part.

But the Twitter-Canon "revelation" that the next cycle went on to use the Crucible plans, and inflict multi-hued magic on the galaxy anyway... Now THAT seemed like spite.

I might have been able to enjoy the refuse ending by imagining that the next cycle found its own, hitherto unimagined, way to defeat the reapers, one that didn't involve betraying their synthetic allies, or the seizure of absolute power by one individual with an army of slaves, or the re-defining of all life to suit the Catalyst's idea of perfection.

But no. We're not even to be allowed that small crumb of comfort. Refusal is absolutely, and unequivocally, the "wrong" choice. In this instance, "speculation" is not allowed. Gee, thanks for that little gem of a tweet Bioware.

IIRC that tweet was by Gamble who has no input into the story. That's what he believes happens in Refuse.

Which would actually make Refuse an even better choice than Synthesis.

Sure the whole getting liquified and then enslaved bit sucks,, but within 50,000 years you're going to be free and in that new galaxy, humanity's going to have all these perks:

ascension to a realm of existence  that we couldn't even comprehend.
immortality
freedom from all weakness.

Also, we won't have to be afraid that those big scary Reapers could decide to kill us at any moment. We're big and scary too!

[Ryzaki]

Legbiter wrote...

I loved Bioware for trolling the hell out of players who failed the Intelligence Test and picked Refuse.

Yes chosing to blow up part of the device you worked so hard to build while walking towards the explosion, electrocute yourself to death, or jump into a giant laser and incinerating yourself are so much more intelligent.

Clearly.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 mai 2013 - 09:17 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Ryzaki wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

I loved Bioware for trolling the hell out of players who failed the Intelligence Test and picked Refuse.

Yes chosing to blow up part of the device you worked so hard to build while walking towards the explosion, electrocute yourself to death, or jump into a giant laser and incinerating yourself are so much more intelligent.

Clearly.

yep

[tanisha__unknown]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Seboist wrote...

wiggles89 wrote...

So are the people who pick it.

True, "Refuse" is by far the dumbest choice in the franchise. I didn't think it was possible to create one even dumber than destroying the collector base but boy was I wrong.

Holy crap Idon'teven...

Handing it over to terrorists is even dumber.

[Tron Mega]

first playthrough i picked destroy because thats what ive wanted to do since day 1. sorry geth, i beleive in equality but sacrificing one species to save the galaxy, and any subsequent life was worth it to me.

second playthrough i picked refuse, turned the game off and headcannoned the most bad ass conventional victory anyone could ever imagine.

third playthrough i quit before i finished mars.

refuse is the ending i tell people i picked. my shepard never deserved it though.

Modifié par Tron Mega, 21 mai 2013 - 12:09 .

[AlanC9]

Ryzaki wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

I loved Bioware for trolling the hell out of players who failed the Intelligence Test and picked Refuse.

Yes chosing to blow up part of the device you worked so hard to build while walking towards the explosion, electrocute yourself to death, or jump into a giant laser and incinerating yourself are so much more intelligent.

Clearly.

Trying to do a smart thing in a dumb way versus just trying to do something dumb? Tough call.

[Megaton_Hope]

Refusing to take the Catalyst's offered choices makes sense. Actually, they should be able to fly in a team to study the matter now that I've opened the Citadel's arms. (Or, without my opening the arms, through the open end where the spaceports are.) Taking any kind of action that will unleash all this stored energy within Earth orbit seems like an obscenely bad idea, as Shepard understands even less of this process than the scientists who built the thing do.

The introduction of Refuse as implemented by the developers is...well, patently insulting. Never mind that Shepard is apparently given a choice between either trusting an ancient, malicious alien machine he's just met on how to kill himself and interfere with the settled operation of the galaxy...and, you know, giving up on saving all organic life, which has been his goal up until now...

But basically, the message is that this is Hobson's choice that the game is giving the player. You can take any horse in the stalls, so long as it's the one nearest the door.

[AlanC9]

Megaton_Hope wrote...
Actually, they should be able to fly in a team to study the matter now that I've opened the Citadel's arms. (Or, without my opening the arms, through the open end where the spaceports are.)

In the few minutes before the Reapers destroy the Crucible?

[Megaton_Hope]

AlanC9 wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...
Actually, they should be able to fly in a team to study the matter now that I've opened the Citadel's arms. (Or, without my opening the arms, through the open end where the spaceports are.)

In the few minutes before the Reapers destroy the Crucible?

So fly in Mordin, I didn't cook him in a Reaper laser, he's useless in a fight.

[KingZayd]

Seboist wrote...

wiggles89 wrote...

So are the people who pick it.

True, "Refuse" is by far the dumbest choice in the franchise. I didn't think it was possible to create one even dumber than destroying the collector base but boy was I wrong.

I destroyed the collector base because I was afraid that it could lead to indoctrination. Based on what we saw in ME3, I think it's safe to say I didn't destroy it enough.

Modifié par KingZayd, 21 mai 2013 - 03:13 .

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...
Actually, they should be able to fly in a team to study the matter now that I've opened the Citadel's arms. (Or, without my opening the arms, through the open end where the spaceports are.)

In the few minutes before the Reapers destroy the Crucible?

The Catalyst is actively trying to destroy the Crucible while trying to talk Shepard into using it?

[Megaton_Hope]

Oh yeah, forgot Mordin might be dead. Well anyway, EDI's exo-frame, some Geth Primes, a Rachni, Salarian scientists, teams of specialists who built the danged thing...anyway. AND, then I could close the arms, so that the Crucible is sealed inside a more or less impervious shell. (Looks like it would fit to me, the Crucible is big, but it's not THAT big.)

Once we know what it'll do and how, then we can worry about maybe activating it. Not like life on earth will be all that much more doomed if I wait an hour than if I jump in a beam in the next thirty seconds.