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[eye basher]

The is a cartoon villian he's gonna blow up the galaxy and his giving you the hero a gun and telling you to kill him to stop it and you choose not to.

[David7204]

There's too few people that grasp that being obligated to disagree with someone makes you every bit as much of a slave to them as if you were obligated to agree with them.

You're a fool if you think you must disagree with the Catalyst because of who he is. All that does is give him power over you.

Modifié par David7204, 19 mai 2013 - 08:33 .

[Sashimi_taco]

It was added in because that is what people wanted. Unfortunately bioware writers also wrote that you failed if you chose that option because then everyone would choose it because everyone hates all the other options given.

A lot of people thought it was a passive agressive jab, and it is hard to take it any other way. But if you write an option that is clearly way better than the others, i guess you have to make it the one that fails.

[Eain]

David7204 wrote...

There's too few people that grasp that being obligated to disagree with someone makes you every bit as much of a slave to them as if you were obligated to agree with him.

You're a fool if you think you must disagree with the Catalyst because of who he is. All that does is give him power over you.

You mustn't disagree with him, but the Catalyst never motivates why you should throw aside all doubt and take his words at face value.

[David7204]

As I've said countless times, the Catalyst has no reason to lie. All it takes is a bit of reasoning to conclude so.

[BansheeOwnage]

David7204 wrote...

There's too few people that grasp that being obligated to disagree with someone makes you every bit as much of a slave to them as if you were obligated to agree with him.

You're a fool if you think you must disagree with the Catalyst because of who he is. All that does is give him power over you.

He is according to himself, ALL the reapers. That doesn't exactly give me reason to trust him. You know, with the reapers being all deceptive and stuff.

[MegaSovereign]

Eain wrote...

David7204 wrote...

There's too few people that grasp that being obligated to disagree with someone makes you every bit as much of a slave to them as if you were obligated to agree with him.

You're a fool if you think you must disagree with the Catalyst because of who he is. All that does is give him power over you.

You mustn't disagree with him, but the Catalyst never motivates why you should throw aside all doubt and take his words at face value.

The Catalyst is a calculated construct that changed its conclusion with the introduction of the Crucible variables. You don't have to pick Control or Destroy believing the Catalyst's assertions. In fact, you could very well argue that it would be foolish to pick those options if you do believe in the inevitable nature of the Creator vs Created problem. The only motivation you need is wanting to stop the harvest.

[MegaSovereign]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

David7204 wrote...

There's too few people that grasp that being obligated to disagree with someone makes you every bit as much of a slave to them as if you were obligated to agree with him.

You're a fool if you think you must disagree with the Catalyst because of who he is. All that does is give him power over you.

He is according to himself, ALL the reapers. That doesn't exactly give me reason to trust him. You know, with the reapers being all deceptive and stuff.

The Catalyst existed long before the first Reaper. It embodies the collective intelligence of the Reapers, but it is in fact a separate entity.

[David7204]

There's nothing the Catalyst stands to gain by lying.

[HiddenInWar]

I wonder if people would like the idea of the Catalyst better if it didn't take the form of the kid at the end...

[BansheeOwnage]

HiddenInWar wrote...

I wonder if people would like the idea of the Catalyst better if it didn't take the form of the kid at the end...

Short answer? Yes. Why not EDI explaining the functions? Why not Vendetta, as he was supposed to "interface with the catalyst" anyway?

[Ryzaki]

HiddenInWar wrote...

I wonder if people would like the idea of the Catalyst better if it didn't take the form of the kid at the end...

A bit. It would take some of the "wtf why that shape" bit out.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 mai 2013 - 08:44 .

[BansheeOwnage]

MegaSovereign wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

David7204 wrote...

There's too few people that grasp that being obligated to disagree with someone makes you every bit as much of a slave to them as if you were obligated to agree with him.

You're a fool if you think you must disagree with the Catalyst because of who he is. All that does is give him power over you.

He is according to himself, ALL the reapers. That doesn't exactly give me reason to trust him. You know, with the reapers being all deceptive and stuff.

The Catalyst existed long before the first Reaper. It embodies the collective intelligence of the Reapers, but it is in fact a separate entity.

Right like the whole christian god thing. Don't get me started on the logic holes.

[HiddenInWar]

Maybe if the form was of Anderson or hell, even Nihlus or TIM.

[David7204]

I've always wondered about that, and wonder about it still. People hate the Catalyst, gleefully fantasize about killing him, and yet simultaneously say they want him to be trustworthy and sympathetic by taking the form of a dead squadmate or something. It's a contradiction I've yet to have gotten to the core of.

They simultaneously want him to be right and demand that he be wrong.

Modifié par David7204, 19 mai 2013 - 08:46 .

[Eain]

David7204 wrote...

There's nothing the Catalyst stands to gain by lying.

I've never gotten this logic. The Catalyst stands to gain everything. Reapers lie. Whenever they're not busy turning their victims into grey goo or huskifying them, they lie and manipulate and scheme. For Shepard to believe a word the Reaper Overlord tells her is to go against everything she knows about Reapers.

[SlottsMachine]

David7204 wrote...

There's too few people that grasp that being obligated to disagree with someone makes you every bit as much of a slave to them as if you were obligated to agree with them.

You're a fool if you think you must disagree with the Catalyst because of who he is. All that does is give him power over you.

A man chooses, a slave obeys.

[BansheeOwnage]

HiddenInWar wrote...

Maybe if the form was of Anderson or hell, even Nihlus or TIM.

A lot of people talked about the Virmire survivor. I mean, they already have 3 VAs do work, this wouldn't actually been cheaper.

David7204 wrote...

I've always wondered about that, and wonder about it still. People hate the Catalyst, gleefully fantasize about killing him, and yet simultaneously say they want him to be trustworthy and sympathetic by taking the form of a dead squadmate or something. It's a contradiction I've yet to have gotten to the core of.

They simultaneously want him to be right and demand that he be wrong.

Like Jade said, this is probably not individual people, but a mass of opinions. Either way, I think people might have liked either, not both at once.

[BansheeOwnage]

Eain wrote...

David7204 wrote...

There's nothing the Catalyst stands to gain by lying.

I've never gotten this logic. The Catalyst stands to gain everything. Reapers lie. Whenever they're not busy turning their victims into grey goo or huskifying them, they lie and manipulate and scheme. For Shepard to believe a word the Reaper Overlord tells her is to go against everything she knows about Reapers.

+∞

[David7204]

Eain wrote...

David7204 wrote...

There's nothing the Catalyst stands to gain by lying.

I've never gotten this logic. The Catalyst stands to gain everything. Reapers lie. Whenever they're not busy turning their victims into grey goo or huskifying them, they lie and manipulate and scheme. For Shepard to believe a word the Reaper Overlord tells her is to go against everything she knows about Reapers.

So what do you propose the Catalyst stands to gain?

[eye basher]

The catalyst does need to lie because the war is over the reapers won he knows it you know it everybody does sword is down to a few ships hammer is pretty much wiped out and your bleeding out on the citadel with no way out and he's giving you a way to stop them for good and you don't want to use it.

[Cainhurst Crow]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Eain wrote...

David7204 wrote...

There's nothing the Catalyst stands to gain by lying.

I've never gotten this logic. The Catalyst stands to gain everything. Reapers lie. Whenever they're not busy turning their victims into grey goo or huskifying them, they lie and manipulate and scheme. For Shepard to believe a word the Reaper Overlord tells her is to go against everything she knows about Reapers.

+∞

But why have shepard come to the chamber at all?

[Samtheman63]

to try and make him pick synthesis

Modifié par Samtheman63, 19 mai 2013 - 09:06 .

[David7204]

If the Catalyst was lying, why would he need Shepard to pick Synthesis?

[AlexMBrennan]

I've never gotten this logic

If Catalyst is lying then we are already dead - we bet everything on building the Crucible in time to defeat the Reapers and is didn't manage to figure out how to use it in time; thus, we might just as well assume that he is telling the truth