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[liggy002]

iakus wrote...

It's Bioware trolling the players:

"Don't like our endings? Frak you! Rocks fall! Everyone dies!"

It would seem so.

Modifié par liggy002, 19 mai 2013 - 10:43 .

[KaiserShep]

Well it does have multiple definitions, the most appropriate would be "a very difficult and trying experience that acts as a refining or hardening process."

Modifié par KaiserShep, 19 mai 2013 - 11:08 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't understand how anyone could expect anything else from not using the Crucible. I think the implication was that the Catalyst was not lying.

The entire plot of the game is effectively that rocks are falling on everyone. And you are given one chance to avoid them. If you refuse to take it then the only possible outcome would be that rocks fall and everyone dies.

I wasn't around the forums for when the original ending came out so I don't know if people were clamoring for the ability to shoot the Catalyst but having eventually seen it, the Refuse ending seems almost directly based on Angry Joe's "Why we hate the Mass Effect 3 ending" video.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 20 mai 2013 - 02:05 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Ah, yet another "I hate this end so bad I have to make a thread to rant about it, yell how any who picks it is stupid/dumb/a mass murder/brainwasher and make me feel better about my own ending" thread.

-10 for effort. You didn't even try, Faust.

[GHNR]

Eain wrote...

GHNR wrote...

In Exile wrote...

David7204 wrote...

There's nothing the Catalyst stands to gain by lying.

Shepard's death would be an obvious thing to gain. 

Then he would've just left him to bleed out in the chamber he was in with Harper and Anderson.

Not necessarily. Vendetta already explained on Thessia how the cycle is more than just a 50.000 year routine of annihilation. Many elements also overlap, such as each cycle having a Cerberus of its own.

What if each cycle (or each cycle that proceeds outside the standard invasion plan, if you prefer) also has a Shepard of its own, and each cycle that Shepard fights their way up to meet the Reaper Overlord and there is conned into suicide and self sacrifice to not only power the Crucible (surprise surprise, the missing component is actually a human life) but also deliver the Reapers instant victory?

"But why would the Reapers go to such lengths when they have the power to win anyway?" I hear you ask.

The answer to that is simple: they don't -need- the Crucible's activation. It's just convenient. Easy. They're machines. They've calculated all the possibilities. Covered each angle. Even if one doesn't play out, the others do.

Interesting idea, but I unfortunately must disprove it; when you meet the Catalyst it does say you're the first organic ever to reach this point.                   
                                                                            

[frostajulie]

opinions are like ****s...

[Cainhurst Crow]

frostajulie wrote...

opinions are like ****s...

They're all full of ****?

[Iakus]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

opinions are like ****s...

They're all full of ****?

Everybody has one.

And they all stink.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Oh, I tell that to my soldiers all the time.

Excuses are like ****s. Everybody has one and they stink.

[themikefest]

The maximun effective range of an excuse is zero

[BansheeOwnage]

themikefest wrote...

The maximun effective range of an excuse is zero

Zero what? If it was zero kilometres it could still be up to 999 metres.

[dreamgazer]

You're all a bunch of asterisks.

[themikefest]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

themikefest wrote...

The maximun effective range of an excuse is zero

Zero what? If it was zero kilometres it could still be up to 999 metres.

I take it you've never been in the military.

Meaning there are no excuses to pick refuse and letting the reapers continue the cycle

[Iakus]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

People said they'd be happy with an ending where everyone died as long as Shepard didn't give into the Catalyst, so Bioware put in an ending exactly like that.

Direct response to fan feedback.

Funny, I recall more requests to have success or failure be determined by EMS.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

themikefest wrote...

The maximun effective range of an excuse is zero

Unfortunately, too many officers and senior NCO's get away with ****.

I'm respected as a PL. As a former E-5, I can get away with busting an E-7's ass, even as an O-1. I'm the only butterbar that can outrun the NCO's AND disprove the old adage:

You can't spell lost without LT.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 20 mai 2013 - 03:19 .

[spirosz]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

iakus wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

People said they'd be happy with an ending where everyone died as long as Shepard didn't give into the Catalyst, so Bioware put in an ending exactly like that.

Direct response to fan feedback.

Funny, I recall more requests to have success or failure be determined by EMS.

And it is. 

^ yeah, what iakus? 

[masster blaster]

Refuses vs Synthesis. I would pick Refuse. I don't want the galaxy to be forced to be nice to the Reapers, nor will I give the catalyst what it wants.

Refuse vs Control. I would pick Refuse. AI Shepard is power hungry, and becomeing a dictator in Control, and is taking the galaxy's free wil.

Refuses vs Destroy. I would pick Destroy.

Modifié par masster blaster, 20 mai 2013 - 03:19 .

[spirosz]

masster blaster wrote...
Refuse vs Control. I would pick Refuse. AI Shepard is power hungry, and becomeing a dictator in Control, and is taking the galaxy's free wil.

It can be the other way around, you know that right? 

[masster blaster]

spirosz wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
Refuse vs Control. I would pick Refuse. AI Shepard is power hungry, and becomeing a dictator in Control, and is taking the galaxy's free wil.

It can be the other way around, you know that right? 

Paragon Shepard AI is forceing the Reapers on the galaxy,  They are the police force of the galaxy now, and Shepard is actually a fragment of what he/she was.  If it's the other way around, then well that's what it is.

In a sense Shepard is playing god, and not letting the galaxy think for it'self.

Modifié par masster blaster, 20 mai 2013 - 03:28 .

[Iakus]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

iakus wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

People said they'd be happy with an ending where everyone died as long as Shepard didn't give into the Catalyst, so Bioware put in an ending exactly like that.

Direct response to fan feedback.

Funny, I recall more requests to have success or failure be determined by EMS.

And it is. 

Don't be deliberately obtuse, you know exactly what I meant.

[Tkrun42]

Honestly, I appreciate the outcome of refuse the most. The refuse option makes the most sense (sans shooting starbrat) in terms of what someone would do when facing down a manipulating enemy: Shep is looking for a way to beat the Reapers, not to collaborate a solution. Much less from an enemy that has been known to indoctrinate, and can't be trusted.

And choosing to fight an unbeatable enemy doesn't turn out. But in the defeat, the seeds of knowledge are planted in the next cycle: Liara's time capsules are seeded far and wide with more information than the Protheans left. There is hope for the next cycle to prepare.

But despite how much I do like the refusal ending, it is not however the choice that I make for my Sheps.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

spirosz wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
Refuse vs Control. I would pick Refuse. AI Shepard is power hungry, and becomeing a dictator in Control, and is taking the galaxy's free wil.

It can be the other way around, you know that right? 

I'd still refuse, regardless of Shepard's intent. Control and Synthesis are too high-risk unknowns.

Destroy is the only option I'd take over refuse.

[spirosz]

masster blaster wrote...

spirosz wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
Refuse vs Control. I would pick Refuse. AI Shepard is power hungry, and becomeing a dictator in Control, and is taking the galaxy's free wil.

It can be the other way around, you know that right? 

Paragon Shepard AI is forceing the Reapers on the galaxy,  They are the police force of the galaxy now, and Shepard is actually a fragment of what he/she was.  If it's the other way around, then well that's what it is.

In a sense Shepard is playing god, and not letting the galaxy think for it'self.

So technically, the galaxy never thought for itself when the Catalyst was a so called "God" before Shepard? 

Modifié par spirosz, 20 mai 2013 - 03:34 .