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[AresKeith]

spirosz wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

spirosz wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
Refuse vs Control. I would pick Refuse. AI Shepard is power hungry, and becomeing a dictator in Control, and is taking the galaxy's free wil.

It can be the other way around, you know that right? 

Paragon Shepard AI is forceing the Reapers on the galaxy,  They are the police force of the galaxy now, and Shepard is actually a fragment of what he/she was.  If it's the other way around, then well that's what it is.

In a sense Shepard is playing god, and not letting the galaxy think for it'self.

So technically, the galaxy never thought for itself when the Catalyst was a so called "God" before Shepard? 

Well according to Sovereign, the cycles have been following the path they decided

[Shaftell]

seriously, I really don't see why anybody would choose it. You basically screw the galaxy over!

[Iakus]

Shaftell wrote...

seriously, I really don't see why anybody would choose it. You basically screw the galaxy over!

Galaxy's screwed no matter what you choose.

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

Shaftell wrote...

seriously, I really don't see why anybody would choose it. You basically screw the galaxy over!

Galaxy's screwed no matter what you choose.

It's really not, buddy. 

[spirosz]

AresKeith wrote...

spirosz wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

spirosz wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
Refuse vs Control. I would pick Refuse. AI Shepard is power hungry, and becomeing a dictator in Control, and is taking the galaxy's free wil.

It can be the other way around, you know that right? 

Paragon Shepard AI is forceing the Reapers on the galaxy,  They are the police force of the galaxy now, and Shepard is actually a fragment of what he/she was.  If it's the other way around, then well that's what it is.

In a sense Shepard is playing god, and not letting the galaxy think for it'self.

So technically, the galaxy never thought for itself when the Catalyst was a so called "God" before Shepard? 

Well according to Sovereign, the cycles have been following the path they decided

And always unaware.  The way I view it, Shepard is playing a protector, how he or she decides to use and force these means is up to the player.  You might never seen the Reapers for millions of years, until they are needed again, for what reason, again up to you.  

[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...

iakus wrote...

Shaftell wrote...

seriously, I really don't see why anybody would choose it. You basically screw the galaxy over!

Galaxy's screwed no matter what you choose.

It's really not, buddy. 

^

[Iakus]

spirosz wrote...

And always unaware.  The way I view it, Shepard is playing a protector, how he or she decides to use and force these means is up to the player.  You might never seen the Reapers for millions of years, until they are needed again, for what reason, again up to you.  

Except that's not Shepard.  It's an AI based on Shepard, but with none of the humanity that helped define him/her.  

Control is doing the exact same thing the Leviathans tried, hoping that this time things will go differently.

[AresKeith]

spirosz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Well according to Sovereign, the cycles have been following the path they decided

And always unaware.  The way I view it, Shepard is playing a protector, how he or she decides to use and force these means is up to the player.  You might never seen the Reapers for millions of years, until they are needed again, for what reason, again up to you.  

I can see like that, but for me that's a risk I'm not gonna take

Because as a protector of the Galaxy now, Sheplyst is gonna have to deal with Organic vs Organic conflicts as opposed to the Synthetic vs Organic claim

Good intentions can lead to a bad road

[spirosz]

And that's my point, it can go differently depending on how you view and headcannon it, to say either outcome is wrong, isn't really persuading anyone. And isn't "Hope" a re-occurring theme throughout the series?

[Iakus]

spirosz wrote...

And that's my point, it can go differently depending on how you view and headcannon it, to say either outcome is wrong, isn't really persuading anyone. And isn't "Hope" a re-occurring theme throughout the series?

Until the last ten minutes or so, yeah.

Then it goes to "You must do something horrific to the galaxy and then kill yourself.  Or else we kill everyone anyway.

Catalyst=Jigsaw

Modifié par iakus, 20 mai 2013 - 03:52 .

[Zjarcal]

wiggles89 wrote...

So are the people who pick it.

[spirosz]

iakus wrote...

spirosz wrote...

And that's my point, it can go differently depending on how you view and headcannon it, to say either outcome is wrong, isn't really persuading anyone. And isn't "Hope" a re-occurring theme throughout the series?

Until the last ten minutes or so, yeah.

I respectfully disagree. 

[BansheeOwnage]

themikefest wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

themikefest wrote...

The maximun effective range of an excuse is zero

Zero what? If it was zero kilometres it could still be up to 999 metres.

I take it you've never been in the military.

Meaning there are no excuses to pick refuse and letting the reapers continue the cycle

I am well aware of that, I was joking around... Hence the emoticon. *sigh*

[KiwiQuiche]

Wow, nearly sufforcating on the sheer self-righteousness coming off some people in this thread.

[Shaftell]

iakus wrote...

Shaftell wrote...

seriously, I really don't see why anybody would choose it. You basically screw the galaxy over!

Galaxy's screwed no matter what you choose.

How so? I'd rather destroy them and doom the reapers for good than to see the Reapers continue their ridiculous cycle.

[spirosz]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Wow, nearly sufforcating on the sheer self-righteousness coming off some people in this thread.

Where's a volus when you need one. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Tkrun42 wrote...

Honestly, I appreciate the outcome of refuse the most. The refuse option makes the most sense (sans shooting starbrat) in terms of what someone would do when facing down a manipulating enemy: Shep is looking for a way to beat the Reapers, not to collaborate a solution. Much less from an enemy that has been known to indoctrinate, and can't be trusted.

And choosing to fight an unbeatable enemy doesn't turn out. But in the defeat, the seeds of knowledge are planted in the next cycle: Liara's time capsules are seeded far and wide with more information than the Protheans left. There is hope for the next cycle to prepare.

But despite how much I do like the refusal ending, it is not however the choice that I make for my Sheps.

In that case, pick the option he tries to sway you from: Destroy. Worst case scenario is it's a trick and the "seeds" are still planted anyway. Win/win.

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I'd still refuse, regardless of Shepard's intent. Control and Synthesis are too high-risk unknowns.

Destroy is the only option I'd take over refuse.

Exactly!!!

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

spirosz wrote...

And that's my point, it can go differently depending on how you view and headcannon it, to say either outcome is wrong, isn't really persuading anyone. And isn't "Hope" a re-occurring theme throughout the series?

Until the last ten minutes or so, yeah.

Then it goes to "You must do something horrific to the galaxy and then kill yourself.  Or else we kill everyone anyway.

Catalyst=Jigsaw

I might have believed you if I never played through Mass Effect 3 before.

[spirosz]

That's cool, but certain people like the 'too high-risk' factors.

The rent is too damn high.

[KiwiQuiche]

spirosz wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Wow, nearly sufforcating on the sheer self-righteousness coming off some people in this thread.

Where's a volus when you need one. 

Saving us from the Reaper threat.

[AresKeith]

I don't consider the Refuse option a joke

[spirosz]

iakus wrote...
Then it goes to "You must do something horrific to the galaxy and then kill yourself.  Or else we kill everyone anyway.

I wouldn't really compare the two... but in what sense are you doing something horrific to the galaxy, aside from the "forcing" in Synthesis.

[masster blaster]

iakus wrote...

Shaftell wrote...

seriously, I really don't see why anybody would choose it. You basically screw the galaxy over!

Galaxy's screwed no matter what you choose.

Not really the Organics in Destroy have a choice. It's the most logical ending that gives the galaxy free choice.

Modifié par masster blaster, 20 mai 2013 - 04:12 .

[BansheeOwnage]

spirosz wrote...

So technically, the galaxy never thought for itself when the Catalyst was a so called "God" before Shepard? 

"You civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays - Our technology. By using it, you develop along the paths we desire."

So, no, we were always beign manipulated by the reapers. Now is the time to break the cycle and finally be free. That means no more reapers.

[masster blaster]

iakus wrote...

spirosz wrote...

And always unaware.  The way I view it, Shepard is playing a protector, how he or she decides to use and force these means is up to the player.  You might never seen the Reapers for millions of years, until they are needed again, for what reason, again up to you.  

Except that's not Shepard.  It's an AI based on Shepard, but with none of the humanity that helped define him/her.  

Control is doing the exact same thing the Leviathans tried, hoping that this time things will go differently.

Correct and agree.