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[Kataphrut94]

At least your comfortable with it. I hate hearing from people who save the geth and then accuse the game of 'forcing' you to kill them at the end. That was what sucked about Junglist's breakdown of the ending. Kill them if you like, but don't act like you didn't have a choice. If you believe they have a right to survive, then seriously consider going for Control or Synthesis. I've tried both, it's not that goddamned hard.

[Excella Gionne]

Well, EDI has reaper tech(Applies the same way as Reaper code)and she's not killing anyone. She's able to self modify her programming allowing her to become more human and think with much more perspective. She still had that "Self-preservation" instinct like the Reapers, but she modified that. I don't think the Geth would become evil. As you can see, even Legion started to have feelings.

[Excella Gionne]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

At least your comfortable with it. I hate hearing from people who save the geth and then accuse the game of 'forcing' you to kill them at the end. That was what sucked about Junglist's breakdown of the ending. Kill them if you like, but don't act like you didn't have a choice. If you believe they have a right to survive, then seriously consider going for Control or Synthesis. I've tried both, it's not that goddamned hard.

Agreed. That's why I don't really choose Destroy. But it's also because I don't like the fact that Shepard lives from Destroy. It doesn't make sense.

[Dunabar]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Well, it's not just the Geth you're killing, but the Reapers too. The Reapers are just slaves of the Catalyst, and as such innocent of all crimes committed. Then you're killing EDI, who's been completely loyal to you for two games. Oh! And Joker, Joker's likely going to suicide.

See? I can't be responsible for that. So I'd choose Control or Synthesis.

I needed a good laugh before bed, I can actually thank you for something lol.

[Stormcutter]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Well, it's not just the Geth you're killing, but the Reapers too. The Reapers are just slaves of the Catalyst, and as such innocent of all crimes committed. Then you're killing EDI, who's been completely loyal to you for two games. Oh! And Joker, Joker's likely going to suicide.

See? I can't be responsible for that. So I'd choose Control or Synthesis.

What? The races the Reapers were built from are innocent victims. The Reapers themselves are monsters, parodies of whatever their components used to represent by virtue of their very existence.

And don't get me wrong, I don't hate EDI or the Geth. I generally pick the positive dialogue options for them. I'm just not willing to pick Control or Synthesis for them. Not because Shepard definitively dies in those endings, but because they're abhorrent morally to me. Of course, so is killing the Geth really.

But the ruthless calculus of war and all that. You have to make a choice.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Well, it's not just the Geth you're killing, but the Reapers too. The Reapers are just slaves of the Catalyst, and as such innocent of all crimes committed. Then you're killing EDI, who's been completely loyal to you for two games. Oh! And Joker, Joker's likely going to suicide.

See? I can't be responsible for that. So I'd choose Control or Synthesis.

Thanks for the laugh. I needed another one before bed.

Reapers: designed for killing, built for killing, and programmed for killing. They've got the trifecta. But it's not something you can understand. 

I really felt like what's the use in saving the Geth, using them for the war assets when you're only going to kill them in the end anyway. If you've got plenty of assets, just put them out of their misery before they're all sapient. Destroy Mac's art. The whole point of the entire exercise was to put the player in a double bind in the end if one made peace or sided with the geth. That's why Mac made the Quarians such ass holes in ME3. He wanted you to hate them, when in fact you really only hate about 2 of them so you condemn the entire race.

So I just let Legion bite it in ME2, and the geth bite it in ME3. It's so much easier that way. It leaves the ending so much cleaner. Sorry EDI. And no, Joker won't commit suicide. He'll grieve for a few months, but he'll get over it. He can take advantage of the great counseling services we have on the Normandy.

But with MEHEM, now I can make peace, since the Geth don't die in the end. I don't have to kill Legion. I just can't do that with the official ending.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 20 mai 2013 - 10:09 .

[S.A.K]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Well, it's not just the Geth you're killing, but the Reapers too. The Reapers are just slaves of the Catalyst, and as such innocent of all crimes committed. Then you're killing EDI, who's been completely loyal to you for two games. Oh! And Joker, Joker's likely going to suicide.

See? I can't be responsible for that. So I'd choose Control or Synthesis.

HAHAHA! I get your joke. Nice one..... What?! It's not a joke? Damn!

Anyway to the OP:
I always makes peace. Throwing the Geth at the Reapers would actually save some lives and they can also improve Quarian lives as well. But I too pick destroy in the end.

At least the Geth have a chance to do something useful before dying.

Modifié par S.A.K, 20 mai 2013 - 12:37 .

[Ryzaki]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

At least your comfortable with it. I hate hearing from people who save the geth and then accuse the game of 'forcing' you to kill them at the end. That was what sucked about Junglist's breakdown of the ending. Kill them if you like, but don't act like you didn't have a choice. If you believe they have a right to survive, then seriously consider going for Control or Synthesis. I've tried both, it's not that goddamned hard.

If I want to destroy the Reapers that was my Shep's purpose since ME1 I have to kill the Geth.

Neither Control or Synthesis do that.

Control has Shepard become a new catalyst and there's no way to say the new one wouldn't come to the same conclusion as the old one.

Synthesis has Shepard transform everyone to appease said reapers.

No. If I actually want to destroy the insane genocidal robots I have to kill the geth.

[Erez Kristal]

Destroyed them for no purpose other than to destroy them? This sounds to me much worse. even more when you think that despite you getting the best ending. all those geth forces could have saved more lives on a galactic scale until the crucible was used. at least when they join you first they fulfill their purpose to serve their quarrian masters.

[Ryzaki]

erezike wrote...

Destroyed them for no purpose other than to destroy them? This sounds to me much worse. even more when you think that despite you getting the best ending. all those geth forces could have saved more lives on a galactic scale until the crucible was used. at least when they join you first they fulfill their purpose to serve their quarrian masters.

No destroyed them to end the threat of them rising again once and for all.

My Shepard wasn't going to risk all the sacrifice up til then being nothing more than a delaying tactic.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 mai 2013 - 01:57 .

[Argolas]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Lagion: Blablabla REAPER CODE beepbeep UPLOAD NOW! bububeep ALL GETH!
Shepard: No, Legion.
Legion: beepbububeep UPLOAD OR DIE!
Shepard: Good night, Legion...

Bitter and angry. A big ol' ball of hate. Such is the way of the Geth-hater.

I actually pity you.

You ever heard of the term "arrogance'?

No, I don't feel angry or bitter for Legion, the Geth or anything like that. If I'm angry and bitter about anything related to Mass Effect at all, it's ME3's ending, no actual in-game character or group of people. I'm not that level of nerd.

[Samtheman63]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Nah, kill the suit-rats then pick Destroy

exactly

[Display Name Owner]

I've not done a playthrough where peace was viable yet, but I don't think I'll ever save the Geth partly because I hate what they become after the Reaper upgrade is uploaded.

[Eain]

I'm personally amazed that people still play through to the Catalyst. I mean, really? My Mass Effect playthroughs pretty much end somewhere after Thessia. Either Thessia itself or Sanctuary, or in extreme cases Marauder Shields. But never at the Catalyst. Why would I subject myself to all those painful minutes of awkward cutscenes, horrible writing, rushed levels and general nonsense. Why would I choose a colour at all? There's no next game. There's no point. The game is no more finished for it, in fact the game is worse for it.

[KaiserShep]

It could be worse. It could be Spiderman 3.

[DeinonSlayer]

Eain wrote...

I'm personally amazed that people still play through to the Catalyst. I mean, really? My Mass Effect playthroughs pretty much end somewhere after Thessia. Either Thessia itself or Sanctuary, or in extreme cases Marauder Shields. But never at the Catalyst. Why would I subject myself to all those painful minutes of awkward cutscenes, horrible writing, rushed levels and general nonsense. Why would I choose a colour at all? There's no next game. There's no point. The game is no more finished for it, in fact the game is worse for it.

Samara on ME3's ending: “If I’m completely honest, I’m not sure what it is. I like the way the colors blend. And the depth of the... Actually I have no idea what I’m saying.”

[Eain]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Eain wrote...

I'm personally amazed that people still play through to the Catalyst. I mean, really? My Mass Effect playthroughs pretty much end somewhere after Thessia. Either Thessia itself or Sanctuary, or in extreme cases Marauder Shields. But never at the Catalyst. Why would I subject myself to all those painful minutes of awkward cutscenes, horrible writing, rushed levels and general nonsense. Why would I choose a colour at all? There's no next game. There's no point. The game is no more finished for it, in fact the game is worse for it.

Samara on ME3's ending: “If I’m completely honest, I’m not sure what it is. I like the way the colors blend. And the depth of the... Actually I have no idea what I’m saying.”

Hahahaha! Yeah, I should've made that connection the first time, but absolutely true.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But it's the meaning behind the colors.

[Faust1979]

Eain wrote...

I'm personally amazed that people still play through to the Catalyst. I mean, really? My Mass Effect playthroughs pretty much end somewhere after Thessia. Either Thessia itself or Sanctuary, or in extreme cases Marauder Shields. But never at the Catalyst. Why would I subject myself to all those painful minutes of awkward cutscenes, horrible writing, rushed levels and general nonsense. Why would I choose a colour at all? There's no next game. There's no point. The game is no more finished for it, in fact the game is worse for it.

I love the endings and the way the game ends and I love the Mass Effect trilogy

[Eain]

Faust1979 wrote...

Eain wrote...

I'm personally amazed that people still play through to the Catalyst. I mean, really? My Mass Effect playthroughs pretty much end somewhere after Thessia. Either Thessia itself or Sanctuary, or in extreme cases Marauder Shields. But never at the Catalyst. Why would I subject myself to all those painful minutes of awkward cutscenes, horrible writing, rushed levels and general nonsense. Why would I choose a colour at all? There's no next game. There's no point. The game is no more finished for it, in fact the game is worse for it.

I love the endings and the way the game ends and I love the Mass Effect trilogy

The post was actually more referring to people who don't like the ending but still seem to go as far as picking a colour.

[Legbiter]

The geth are an excellent attack dog to sic on the Reapers,

[Stormcutter]

Legbiter wrote...

The geth are an excellent attack dog to sic on the Reapers,

True, but I like to keep events within my knowledge as much as possible. If the Geth are destroyed on Rannoch, then the Quarian's will rebuild. If the Geth are destroyed in the Destroy ending, then they've integrated into Quarian society to an extent and I can't predict what annihilating them will do. Judging by what happened to those husks in the movie, I'm imagining that more than a few Quarian's would find themselves dreadfully exposed at best.

Best to just make it a clean break at Rannoch. Screw the Star-Child's 'The Created will destroy the Creator' logic. It's his Reapers that forced the issue in the first place. I'm not going to play with its 'ideal' solutions.

Besides, judging by multiplayer a fair number of Geth bodies were found and had VI's downloaded into them for Special Ops.

[Auld Wulf]

@Stormcutter

The point you're missing here is that those Geth could be post-Reaper code upgrade. And the way they speak strongly implies they are. They say 'this one,' implying individuality, rather than using the plural 'we' as Legion did.

[Auld Wulf]

Stormcutter wrote...

What? The races the Reapers were built from are innocent victims. The Reapers themselves are monsters [...]

Let ... me ... say ... this ... very ... slowly.

Yes ... the ... Reapers ... exist ... because ... the ... Catalyst ... made ... them.

The ... Catalyst ... also ... controls ... their ... minds.

Anything ... a ... Reaper ... does ... is ... not ... of ... free ... will.

A ... mind ... controlled ... entity ... is ... a ... victim.

Just ... because ... you ... don't ... find ... the ... victim ... visually ... attractive ... that ... doesn't ... mean ... they're ... not ... victims.

The ... Reapers ... are ... still ... victims ... of ... what ... was ... done ... to ... them.

They ... deserve ... the  ... right ... to ... choose ... for ... themselves.

It's ... not ... fair ... to ... kill ... them ... simply ... because ... you ... find ... their ... current ... state ... unappealilng.

That ... would ... be ... like ... killing ... a ... rape ... victim ... because ... they ... were ... raped.

Read. Think carefully. Then respond. I'm tired of having this argument. If the victim was more familiar, more human, then I'm sure you'd be white knighting it up.

This is basic ethics. Seriously, this is ethics 101.

[dreamgazer]

Unbelievable.