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[Argolas]

Wayning_Star wrote...

besides, if you destroy, you've used the very evil stuff (so claimed) to do so. Just like the catalyst warns of and the geth quarian dispute reflects the 'ignorance' of why such synthetic intelligent life is created. By organic intelligent life forms that don't actually know why they were created either.

Eventually some beings will have to spiral 'up' that evolutionary ladder. It's inevitable.. or the MEU as is couldn't exist. Bummer?!?

The Citadel and the Mass Relays are the only Reaper tech that isn't evil. Simple Reason: They don't corrupt the minds of those who come close to it.

(Otherwise they wouldn't work as traps because people there would suffer from the mental decay, others would notice and then stay away from the Citadel and the relays)

[KingZayd]

Stormcutter wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Wayning_Star is a synthesis fan, but he's also a troll. Not a totally bad one, but one you really shouldn't take seriously.

Ah, I thought so. It was almost impossible to extract any actual coherent, consistent message from his writing, so I figured he was either trolling, or twelve years old.

I just assumed English wasn't his first language.

[KingZayd]

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

besides, if you destroy, you've used the very evil stuff (so claimed) to do so. Just like the catalyst warns of and the geth quarian dispute reflects the 'ignorance' of why such synthetic intelligent life is created. By organic intelligent life forms that don't actually know why they were created either.

Eventually some beings will have to spiral 'up' that evolutionary ladder. It's inevitable.. or the MEU as is couldn't exist. Bummer?!?

The Citadel and the Mass Relays are the only Reaper tech that isn't evil. Simple Reason: They don't corrupt the minds of those who come close to it.

(Otherwise they wouldn't work as traps because people there would suffer from the mental decay, others would notice and then stay away from the Citadel and the relays)

Actually, the Citadel is part of the Starchild. So it's not very nice.

[Wayning_Star]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Wayning_Star is a synthesis fan, but he's also a troll. Not a totally bad one, but one you really shouldn't take seriously.

[Argolas]

KingZayd wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

besides, if you destroy, you've used the very evil stuff (so claimed) to do so. Just like the catalyst warns of and the geth quarian dispute reflects the 'ignorance' of why such synthetic intelligent life is created. By organic intelligent life forms that don't actually know why they were created either.

Eventually some beings will have to spiral 'up' that evolutionary ladder. It's inevitable.. or the MEU as is couldn't exist. Bummer?!?

The Citadel and the Mass Relays are the only Reaper tech that isn't evil. Simple Reason: They don't corrupt the minds of those who come close to it.

(Otherwise they wouldn't work as traps because people there would suffer from the mental decay, others would notice and then stay away from the Citadel and the relays)

Actually, the Citadel is part of the Starchild. So it's not very nice.

Sure, but the Citadel is not inherently evil. Remove the Stachild and it's safe, useful and cool. Normal Reaper tech indoctrinates and is thus not cool.

[Wayning_Star]

organics invented 'corrupted' thoughts.. really tho, the reaps wouldn't stand a chance without their brute strength and massive numbers. Their version of indoctrination is a hoax really, compared to the organic version and implementation. I see so much learning by rote on/in these comments.

[Stormcutter]

Technically, pretty much all tech in the ME-verse is Reaper tech.

The Reapers just stick whatever produces the indoctrination field into most of the very best stuff, so that puny mortals who try to copy it get turned into meat puppets to help them that cycle.

[Wayning_Star]

Argolas wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

besides, if you destroy, you've used the very evil stuff (so claimed) to do so. Just like the catalyst warns of and the geth quarian dispute reflects the 'ignorance' of why such synthetic intelligent life is created. By organic intelligent life forms that don't actually know why they were created either.

Eventually some beings will have to spiral 'up' that evolutionary ladder. It's inevitable.. or the MEU as is couldn't exist. Bummer?!?

The Citadel and the Mass Relays are the only Reaper tech that isn't evil. Simple Reason: They don't corrupt the minds of those who come close to it.

(Otherwise they wouldn't work as traps because people there would suffer from the mental decay, others would notice and then stay away from the Citadel and the relays)

Actually, the Citadel is part of the Starchild. So it's not very nice.

Sure, but the Citadel is not inherently evil. Remove the Stachild and it's safe, useful and cool. Normal Reaper tech indoctrinates and is thus not cool.

but Arg, it's all really Leviathan technology. And most of that stuff is ripped off from their enthralled races. There is no way that I know of to control all that 'stuff' as it eventually took out the original Levi. The new ones still existing have learned a valuable lesson. Get a thrall to do that for them, take the heat?

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 21 mai 2013 - 02:51 .

[Wayning_Star]

Stormcutter wrote...

Technically, pretty much all tech in the ME-verse is Reaper tech.

The Reapers just stick whatever produces the indoctrination field into most of the very best stuff, so that puny mortals who try to copy it get turned into meat puppets to help them that cycle.

this one understands.

[KingZayd]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Argolas wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

besides, if you destroy, you've used the very evil stuff (so claimed) to do so. Just like the catalyst warns of and the geth quarian dispute reflects the 'ignorance' of why such synthetic intelligent life is created. By organic intelligent life forms that don't actually know why they were created either.

Eventually some beings will have to spiral 'up' that evolutionary ladder. It's inevitable.. or the MEU as is couldn't exist. Bummer?!?

The Citadel and the Mass Relays are the only Reaper tech that isn't evil. Simple Reason: They don't corrupt the minds of those who come close to it.

(Otherwise they wouldn't work as traps because people there would suffer from the mental decay, others would notice and then stay away from the Citadel and the relays)

Actually, the Citadel is part of the Starchild. So it's not very nice.

Sure, but the Citadel is not inherently evil. Remove the Stachild and it's safe, useful and cool. Normal Reaper tech indoctrinates and is thus not cool.

but Arg, it's all really Leviathan technology. And most of that stuff is ripped off from their enthralled races. There is no way that I know of to control all that 'stuff' as it eventually took out the original Levi. The new ones still existing have learned a valuable lesson. Get a thrall to do that for them, take the heat?

Any source for that?

[Stormcutter]

Wayning_Star wrote...

organics invented 'corrupted' thoughts.. really tho, the reaps wouldn't stand a chance without their brute strength and massive numbers. Their version of indoctrination is a hoax really, compared to the organic version and implementation. I see so much learning by rote on/in these comments.

The Reaper kind is worse. Leviathan Indoctrination is mostly reversible and has far fewer direct physical effects on the brain, unless the Leviathan actually wants to hurt you. Rather than twisting you permanently into a parody of your former self, they just brute force mind control you.

It's still horrible, but at least there's a chance to salvage an actual person from the Leviathans.

Modifié par Stormcutter, 21 mai 2013 - 02:56 .

[Wayning_Star]

KingZayd wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Argolas wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

besides, if you destroy, you've used the very evil stuff (so claimed) to do so. Just like the catalyst warns of and the geth quarian dispute reflects the 'ignorance' of why such synthetic intelligent life is created. By organic intelligent life forms that don't actually know why they were created either.

Eventually some beings will have to spiral 'up' that evolutionary ladder. It's inevitable.. or the MEU as is couldn't exist. Bummer?!?

The Citadel and the Mass Relays are the only Reaper tech that isn't evil. Simple Reason: They don't corrupt the minds of those who come close to it.

(Otherwise they wouldn't work as traps because people there would suffer from the mental decay, others would notice and then stay away from the Citadel and the relays)

Actually, the Citadel is part of the Starchild. So it's not very nice.

Sure, but the Citadel is not inherently evil. Remove the Stachild and it's safe, useful and cool. Normal Reaper tech indoctrinates and is thus not cool.

but Arg, it's all really Leviathan technology. And most of that stuff is ripped off from their enthralled races. There is no way that I know of to control all that 'stuff' as it eventually took out the original Levi. The new ones still existing have learned a valuable lesson. Get a thrall to do that for them, take the heat?

Any source for that?

http://www.google.co...iw=1244&bih=697


but more importantly

http://masseffect.wi...ct_3:_Leviathan


who built the catalyst...who built the reaps and the MEU.

with Leviathan tech and then later to upgrade or downgrade with harvest.

[Wayning_Star]

Stormcutter wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

organics invented 'corrupted' thoughts.. really tho, the reaps wouldn't stand a chance without their brute strength and massive numbers. Their version of indoctrination is a hoax really, compared to the organic version and implementation. I see so much learning by rote on/in these comments.

The Reaper kind is worse. Leviathan Indoctrination is mostly reversible and has far fewer direct physical effects on the brain, unless the Leviathan actually wants to hurt you. Rather than twisting you permanently into a parody of your former self, they just brute force mind control you.

It's still horrible, but at least there's a chance to salvage an actual person from the Leviathans.

well, we'd need to study the implications. My learn by rote comment, is a kind of hint to my impression that many posts are reliant upon their respective 'drummed in' world view, locking out other possibilities. 

Maybe the BSN needs a crucible attached? 

[KingZayd]

Wayning_Star wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Argolas wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

besides, if you destroy, you've used the very evil stuff (so claimed) to do so. Just like the catalyst warns of and the geth quarian dispute reflects the 'ignorance' of why such synthetic intelligent life is created. By organic intelligent life forms that don't actually know why they were created either.

Eventually some beings will have to spiral 'up' that evolutionary ladder. It's inevitable.. or the MEU as is couldn't exist. Bummer?!?

The Citadel and the Mass Relays are the only Reaper tech that isn't evil. Simple Reason: They don't corrupt the minds of those who come close to it.

(Otherwise they wouldn't work as traps because people there would suffer from the mental decay, others would notice and then stay away from the Citadel and the relays)

Actually, the Citadel is part of the Starchild. So it's not very nice.

Sure, but the Citadel is not inherently evil. Remove the Stachild and it's safe, useful and cool. Normal Reaper tech indoctrinates and is thus not cool.

but Arg, it's all really Leviathan technology. And most of that stuff is ripped off from their enthralled races. There is no way that I know of to control all that 'stuff' as it eventually took out the original Levi. The new ones still existing have learned a valuable lesson. Get a thrall to do that for them, take the heat?

Any source for that?

http://www.google.co...iw=1244&bih=697


but more importantly

http://masseffect.wi...ct_3:_Leviathan


who built the catalyst...who built the reaps and the MEU.

with Leviathan tech and then later to upgrade or downgrade with harvest.

You said all of it. Reapers are Starchild tech. Not Leviathan tech. No mention of tech being taken from thrall races.

[Wayning_Star]

KingZayd wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Argolas wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

besides, if you destroy, you've used the very evil stuff (so claimed) to do so. Just like the catalyst warns of and the geth quarian dispute reflects the 'ignorance' of why such synthetic intelligent life is created. By organic intelligent life forms that don't actually know why they were created either.

Eventually some beings will have to spiral 'up' that evolutionary ladder. It's inevitable.. or the MEU as is couldn't exist. Bummer?!?

The Citadel and the Mass Relays are the only Reaper tech that isn't evil. Simple Reason: They don't corrupt the minds of those who come close to it.

(Otherwise they wouldn't work as traps because people there would suffer from the mental decay, others would notice and then stay away from the Citadel and the relays)

Actually, the Citadel is part of the Starchild. So it's not very nice.

Sure, but the Citadel is not inherently evil. Remove the Stachild and it's safe, useful and cool. Normal Reaper tech indoctrinates and is thus not cool.

but Arg, it's all really Leviathan technology. And most of that stuff is ripped off from their enthralled races. There is no way that I know of to control all that 'stuff' as it eventually took out the original Levi. The new ones still existing have learned a valuable lesson. Get a thrall to do that for them, take the heat?

Any source for that?

http://www.google.co...iw=1244&bih=697


but more importantly

http://masseffect.wi...ct_3:_Leviathan


who built the catalyst...who built the reaps and the MEU.

with Leviathan tech and then later to upgrade or downgrade with harvest.

You said all of it. Reapers are Starchild tech. Not Leviathan tech. No mention of tech being taken from thrall races.

you are being argumentative. The keepers are taken from before the citadel was devised. And as far as the Levi goes, they know good thralls when they use them..lol


Leviathan Enthrallment Team

A mixed-species team of special-operations soldiers have volunteered to covertly deliver Leviathan artifacts behind enemy lines. These attacks aim to make Reaper creatures thralls of the Leviathans. On a small scale, this could cause chaos and disruption. On a large scale--and if given enough time--it could form an army of Reaper creatures dedicated to exterminating their own kind. The team's major limiting factors are the small number of artifacts and the reluctance of Alliance commanders to operate openly with such a potent weapon for fear the Reapers might develop a countermeasure.

[KingZayd]

Wayning_Star wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Argolas wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

besides, if you destroy, you've used the very evil stuff (so claimed) to do so. Just like the catalyst warns of and the geth quarian dispute reflects the 'ignorance' of why such synthetic intelligent life is created. By organic intelligent life forms that don't actually know why they were created either.

Eventually some beings will have to spiral 'up' that evolutionary ladder. It's inevitable.. or the MEU as is couldn't exist. Bummer?!?

The Citadel and the Mass Relays are the only Reaper tech that isn't evil. Simple Reason: They don't corrupt the minds of those who come close to it.

(Otherwise they wouldn't work as traps because people there would suffer from the mental decay, others would notice and then stay away from the Citadel and the relays)

Actually, the Citadel is part of the Starchild. So it's not very nice.

Sure, but the Citadel is not inherently evil. Remove the Stachild and it's safe, useful and cool. Normal Reaper tech indoctrinates and is thus not cool.

but Arg, it's all really Leviathan technology. And most of that stuff is ripped off from their enthralled races. There is no way that I know of to control all that 'stuff' as it eventually took out the original Levi. The new ones still existing have learned a valuable lesson. Get a thrall to do that for them, take the heat?

Any source for that?

http://www.google.co...iw=1244&bih=697


but more importantly

http://masseffect.wi...ct_3:_Leviathan


who built the catalyst...who built the reaps and the MEU.

with Leviathan tech and then later to upgrade or downgrade with harvest.

You said all of it. Reapers are Starchild tech. Not Leviathan tech. No mention of tech being taken from thrall races.

you are being argumentative. The keepers are taken from before the citadel was devised. And as far as the Levi goes, they know good thralls when they use them..lol


Leviathan Enthrallment Team

A mixed-species team of special-operations soldiers have volunteered to covertly deliver Leviathan artifacts behind enemy lines. These attacks aim to make Reaper creatures thralls of the Leviathans. On a small scale, this could cause chaos and disruption. On a large scale--and if given enough time--it could form an army of Reaper creatures dedicated to exterminating their own kind. The team's major limiting factors are the small number of artifacts and the reluctance of Alliance commanders to operate openly with such a potent weapon for fear the Reapers might develop a countermeasure.

This all sounds like fanfiction to me.

[Wayning_Star]

. [/quote]

This all sounds like fanfiction to me.

[/quote]

taken from the codex and in game lore.. lol

(by rote?)

[KingZayd]

Wayning_Star wrote...


This all sounds like fanfiction to me.

taken from the codex and in game lore.. lol

(by rote?)

Referring to the keepers.

Modifié par KingZayd, 21 mai 2013 - 03:19 .

[Wayning_Star]

KingZayd wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...


This all sounds like fanfiction to me.

taken from the codex and in game lore.. lol

(by rote?)

Referring to the keepers.

look up the keepers in the codex. Then think about them in the game/story, AWA the side quest scanning them and it's rewards, if any.

That/they are only ONE reference and very skimpy of past technology stolen and used by the Leviathan who actually ruled the MEU a long time ago, with all the known life being enthralled for them to do so. It was said they felt that space and time it's self was their tools.

But then, doesn't everyone?

[KingZayd]

Wayning_Star wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...


This all sounds like fanfiction to me.

taken from the codex and in game lore.. lol

(by rote?)

Referring to the keepers.

look up the keepers in the codex. Then think about them in the game/story, AWA the side quest scanning them and it's rewards, if any.

That/they are only ONE reference and very skimpy of past technology stolen and used by the Leviathan who actually ruled the MEU a long time ago, with all the known life being enthralled for them to do so. It was said they felt that space and time it's self was their tools.

But then, doesn't everyone?

No mention of Leviathan in the codex page. Nothing says they predate the Reapers.

[themikefest]

I have done all 3 choices. I made peace, kill the Quarians and kill the Geth. Almost all the time if I'm not making peace I will save the Quarians.

My biggest problem with the scenario is why are Legion and Tali required to make peace?

I only ask because there is no requirement to cure/sabotage the genophage.

[KingZayd]

themikefest wrote...

I have done all 3 choices. I made peace, kill the Quarians and kill the Geth. Almost all the time if I'm not making peace I will save the Quarians.

My biggest problem with the scenario is why are Legion and Tali required to make peace?

I only ask because there is no requirement to cure/sabotage the genophage.

I'm guessing because they're the only Geth-Quarian pair of entities that have a positive relationship.

[Wayning_Star]

KingZayd wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...


This all sounds like fanfiction to me.

taken from the codex and in game lore.. lol

(by rote?)

Referring to the keepers.

look up the keepers in the codex. Then think about them in the game/story, AWA the side quest scanning them and it's rewards, if any.

That/they are only ONE reference and very skimpy of past technology stolen and used by the Leviathan who actually ruled the MEU a long time ago, with all the known life being enthralled for them to do so. It was said they felt that space and time it's self was their tools.

But then, doesn't everyone?

No mention of Leviathan in the codex page. Nothing says they predate the Reapers.

you mean 'Keepers', not Leviathan..

The Keeps are mentioned in the story many times as is the reapers, but NOT the leviathan. They're just hinted about, at being a race long destroyed. (not until Leviathan DLC, do we actually gets to know of them more or less.)

The keepers are mostly referred to in ME1. But are alluded to being a constructed race, but it's unknown if the catalyst created them, or the Leviathan. Either way tho, is just a matter of how direct the involvement being. The Levi created the intelligence who became the catalyst who uses the Keepers to upkeep the citadel and other large massive structures. All based around the relays. The intelligence gone self aware independent catalyst is Leviathan technology, as are the Keepers, mostly. They seem to be both organic and synthetic. But no one seems to object to their abomination qualities..lol

[TheWerdna]

Stormcutter wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

That ... would ... be ... like ... killing ... a ... rape ... victim ... because ... they ... were ... raped.

Wow, and I thought your "people who kill the geth are all real-life Nazis" speech was bad.

And here I thought it impossible for Auld Wulf to get more condescending. Silly me.

Is he always this bad?

Yes. Though I find nearly everything he says incredibly entertaining. Its so out there and condensending I can't even take it seriously and just makes me laugh.

It must be nice to live in a strange fantasy world of his own creation like he does.

Modifié par TheWerdna, 21 mai 2013 - 03:52 .

[KaiserShep]

I've already come to the conclusion that Wulf is not being serious. I guess I'm just being cautiously optimistic, because really....the hell...