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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

While we're on the subject of Auld Wulf, I think he and David7204 would make a great couple.

Wulfie and Seival OTP!

[David7204]

Don't you get bored of posting your little gossip around as if this was your kindergarten class?

Modifié par David7204, 21 mai 2013 - 04:26 .

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KaiserShep wrote...

I've already come to the conclusion that Wulf is not being serious. I guess I'm just being cautiously optimistic, because really....the hell...

My world view makes me hope that he's just a dedicated troll.

But he's probably just that crazy.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

David7204 wrote...

Don't you get bored of posting your little gossip around as if this was your kindergraten class?

Never!

Now call someone an idiot for disagreeing with you! :wub:

[shodiswe]

Maybe the only Geth survivors in destroy are those in Quarian suits

300 Humans populated most of our planet... 300 or 1000 Geth could probably repopuilate the Geth... They just need to start their geth reproduction processes... In what ever way they write/create new unique Geth. Might take a Little while though, especialy since they will likely need new hardware.

[David7204]

300 humans populated most of the planet...?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

David7204 wrote...

300 humans populated most of the planet...?

Best prehistoric sex party ever.

[justafan]

David7204 wrote...

300 humans populated most of the planet...?

If I recall my anthropology correctly, humanity experienced a near extinction event 70,000 years ago leaving somewhere between 2,000-10,000 humans left.  This ironically enough, makes humans decidedly NOT very genetically diverse, in contrast to what Mordin claims and what the much talked about "dark energy plot" ending was aiming at.

[AlanC9]

I think that 300 figure's a bit off; the numbers I've heard are in the 2000-10000 range, same as justafan.

Don't know why BSN's displaying that as a link.

Modifié par AlanC9, 21 mai 2013 - 05:15 .

[Phatose]

Isn't it an established fact that all humans are eventually descended from a single female, the mitochondrial eve?

[justafan]

Phatose wrote...

Isn't it an established fact that all humans are eventually descended from a single female, the mitochondrial eve?

While true, she lived almost 200,000 years ago, and over time her genes that we share have mutated somewhat.  This is why we are all not inbred and don't live in a world full of Joffreys.

[Big Bad]

Phatose wrote...

Isn't it an established fact that all humans are eventually descended from a single female, the mitochondrial eve?

"Mitochondrial eve" is just a somewhat silly name given to the most recent common ancestor of all living mitochondrial genomes (Unlike the rest of our cells, mitochondria are inherited only from your mother).  She isn't anything like "Eve" in the biblical sense.   Since she simply represents the most recent ancestor, the label mitochondrial eve doesn't even correspond to the same person over time because the extinction of genetic lineages is a fairly random process.  One thousand years ago, the most recent common ancestor of all living mitochondria was most likely somebody different than she is today.  Likewise, a few thousand years from now, "mitochondrial eve" will be somebody different again. 

Basically, it's a concept, not an individual person.

[Phatose]

Given it's maternal line, doesn't that require that all living humans ultimately be descended from this one woman? This is not to say she's the biblical eve or the first human on anything ridiculous like that, just the most common recent great-great...-grandmother of everyone, and thus represents a significant bottleneck in our genetic history.

[Megaton_Hope]

justafan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

300 humans populated most of the planet...?

If I recall my anthropology correctly, humanity experienced a near extinction event 70,000 years ago leaving somewhere between 2,000-10,000 humans left.  This ironically enough, makes humans decidedly NOT very genetically diverse, in contrast to what Mordin claims and what the much talked about "dark energy plot" ending was aiming at.

If we mean the "genetic bottleneck" allegedly following the Toba eruption, the material I've seen suggests there's some disagreement on that point. It seems pretty unlikely to me, personally, because at that point we're talking about tool-using and anatomically modern humans, who are less likely to be wiped out abruptly by major climate events.

[Big Bad]

Phatose wrote...

Given it's maternal line, doesn't that require that all living humans ultimately be descended from this one woman? This is not to say she's the biblical eve or the first human on anything ridiculous like that, just the most common recent great-great...-grandmother of everyone, and thus represents a significant bottleneck in our genetic history.

Well, yes, our mitochondria are all descended from her, but there has always been a "mitochondrial eve" and always will be (as long as there are humans around), so the fact that she exists doesn't really imply a population bottleneck existed whenever she was around.  Basically, all of our existing mitochondrial genomes can be traced back to this one particular person, but she wasn't the only person around at the time.  She could have been one of 300 or 3 million people alive at the time, but her particular mitochondrial lineage just happens to be the one that survived long enough to be the most recent common ancestor of all of us. 

That said, as other have mentioned, we do know that there was a human population bottleneck that occurred sometime in the past 100K years (I believe), but I don't believe there is any evidence to suggest that the population got down to less than a thousand individuals at any point. 

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

Stormcutter wrote...

So I just killed the Geth. Not because I didn't fulfill the requirements for peace (The Rally the fleet and Warn the Fleet option were sitting there high and proud), but because saving them felt pointless. I know that I'm going to choose Destroy, which will annihilate them, and I've got plenty War Assets for the best ending. And I can't stand the other endings. Either 'Reaper-Godking' or 'Transhumanism For All'? Not my cup of tea.

Saving them would have felt dirty. Like I was just using them for a bit, before wiping them out. It's like it was a species-wide Hope Spot. It's annoying, because I actually prefer the Geth to the Quarian's on a moral scale. But if they're going to die anyway, why bother? I might as well kill them when they're not true AI's, incapable of truly 'fearing' the end that comes for them.

Anybody else ever feel like this?

I see your logic, but surely even though the geth do get destroyed isn't it worth having their help for a short time until they get destroyed?

[lecho_himself]

Well I made peace not thinking about the ending, did it rpg, not metagame way. Still I cannot say I totally trusted Legion with his talk on Rannoch and hesitated a bit. The quarian-geth alliance pros was what helped me take the decision and time showed it was right with all the help and goodwill geth showed for quarians.

After Destroy ending, well, geth/EDI vaporization was something calculated in the cost of completing the mission. Either them or entire galaxy destroyed / indoctrinated. Pretty the same moral drama as Batarian colonies in The Arrival.

BUT one can still use MEHEM and have both Destroy ending and the geth being alive

Modifié par lecho_himself, 21 mai 2013 - 06:37 .

[KaiserShep]

The geth can live on as target practice in the armax arena.

[shodiswe]

I was mostly refering to the 300 approximately people who left africa to colonize the rest of the planet.
Studies have shown that the genetic variation of just about everyone with a non african heritage(recent) commes from a small group of 300 or so people who supposedly left africa a very long time ago.

I guess that implies that native africans have got a more diverse genetic herritage. I don't think it matters that much though.
It's been a while so I can't recall all the details.

[Legbiter]

Stormcutter wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

The geth are an excellent attack dog to sic on the Reapers,

True, but I like to keep events within my knowledge as much as possible. If the Geth are destroyed on Rannoch, then the Quarian's will rebuild. If the Geth are destroyed in the Destroy ending, then they've integrated into Quarian society to an extent and I can't predict what annihilating them will do. Judging by what happened to those husks in the movie, I'm imagining that more than a few Quarian's would find themselves dreadfully exposed at best.

Best to just make it a clean break at Rannoch. Screw the Star-Child's 'The Created will destroy the Creator' logic. It's his Reapers that forced the issue in the first place. I'm not going to play with its 'ideal' solution.

Eh, you're overthinking this, the geth are equipment, not people. And Reaper-infused equipment after their shortcut on Rannoch at that.

[KingZayd]

Wayning_Star wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...


This all sounds like fanfiction to me.

taken from the codex and in game lore.. lol

(by rote?)

Referring to the keepers.

look up the keepers in the codex. Then think about them in the game/story, AWA the side quest scanning them and it's rewards, if any.

That/they are only ONE reference and very skimpy of past technology stolen and used by the Leviathan who actually ruled the MEU a long time ago, with all the known life being enthralled for them to do so. It was said they felt that space and time it's self was their tools.

But then, doesn't everyone?

No mention of Leviathan in the codex page. Nothing says they predate the Reapers.

you mean 'Keepers', not Leviathan..

The Keeps are mentioned in the story many times as is the reapers, but NOT the leviathan. They're just hinted about, at being a race long destroyed. (not until Leviathan DLC, do we actually gets to know of them more or less.)

The keepers are mostly referred to in ME1. But are alluded to being a constructed race, but it's unknown if the catalyst created them, or the Leviathan. Either way tho, is just a matter of how direct the involvement being. The Levi created the intelligence who became the catalyst who uses the Keepers to upkeep the citadel and other large massive structures. All based around the relays. The intelligence gone self aware independent catalyst is Leviathan technology, as are the Keepers, mostly. They seem to be both organic and synthetic. But no one seems to object to their abomination qualities..lol

I meant there was no mention of Leviathan in the Keepers codex page. And nothing on that page says it predates the Keepers.

Organic-synthetic seems like Reaper tech to me. The Keepers are basically the first husks. Nobody objects to the Keepers because a) they are made without liquifying a load of people and they don't try to kill us.

[Erez Kristal]

2000-10000? you have forgotten all of our alien ancestors who came from space six thousand years ago.

[Big Bad]

shodiswe wrote...

I was mostly refering to the 300 approximately people who left africa to colonize the rest of the planet.
Studies have shown that the genetic variation of just about everyone with a non african heritage(recent) commes from a small group of 300 or so people who supposedly left africa a very long time ago.

I guess that implies that native africans have got a more diverse genetic herritage. I don't think it matters that much though.
It's been a while so I can't recall all the details.

Aha, I see. 

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KaiserShep wrote...

The geth can live on as target practice in the armax arena.

I like this human, he understands!

[Redbelle]

shodiswe wrote...

Maybe the only Geth survivors in destroy are those in Quarian suits

As long as they stay out of Tali's suit...... My shep can't perform with an audience.