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[Kinom001]

Why a keyboard/mouse and not a controller? Because key and mouse bindings.

[viper_veteran]

Sinful Force wrote...

I mean, wow, why would anyone find a mouse & key more comfortable then a joypad?

And if gamepads aren't supported: For real?!



Only asking because I'm thinking of starting another manifest on PC next (would feel real good to get rid of that horrid auto aim that's constantly ****ing things up especially for SNIPERS!!! AAAHHHH!!!! KINDA CRACK WAS BIOWARE SMOKING?!??!) But if I can't plug a gamepad and enjoy, then f that, I'm going to the PS3 and take my chances with Collector crashes for my next manifest.

Try this out. Personally I hate the keyboard but love the mouse so I got this. I am happy with it as I can use it on both PS3 and PC

PhazonJulian wrote...

Real gamers play everything with anything, we don't scrub about one missing option for scrubs. 

+1

Modifié par viper_veteran, 20 mai 2013 - 08:08 .

[Terminator Force]

PhazonJulian wrote...

Sinful Force wrote...

PhazonJulian wrote...
Real gamers play everything with anything, we don't scrub about one missing option for scrubs. 

That does not compute. It makes much more sense to assume that the casual gamers stick with mouse and key while the more serious gamers say f that. I'm a gonna invest in a PC gamepad.

If you're on xbox you don't have to.... hell I've played PC FPS with the  wii remote and the nunchuk for the lulz.  

Learn to master race. 

Edit: L2P

Look, I know how to master race and play. But I play & much prefer with gaming equipment, and not typing equipment (lol). You see, when you go to the arcades, you don't see setups that include computer mouse and keyboard. That would be silly. Mouse & key is silly people, very silly. Stop being silly. These are typing equipment for crying out loud being forced to do gaming.

Playing videogames with a gamepad is what videogames is all about. Gaming without it is just not really gaming. It's just geeting by. This whole mouse & key BS is really just a casual gamer getting by thing, cause they probably barely play games and/or it's not that important to them to invest in proper gaming equipment. Which is fine. But me, I've been playing since the NES days when I first discovered it when I came to Canada from Romania. And I love my vid games & gaming comfortably & games balanced just right for gamepads/Arade sticks.


Then there is the matter that practically all games are designed with a gamepad in mind. So most games I play with a gamepad/arcade stick = me playing as intended (even ME3 was designed with a gamepad in mind ). And when lame companies as Nintendo & BioWare force me to play via another method without giving me the option, I give them the finger. Choice is very important in life, fight for it. Why haven't you guys done this already? There are clearly others here that prefer gamepads as me.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Wow. This thread makes me feel ancient. I must have played 300+ games in my life and only a handfull of the better ones could be played on consoles.
What did I have to read earlier? Flight sims are better with gamepads? Seriously? The last flight sims I played needed a keyboard and even then you had double or triple keybindings. Perhaps the meaning of "simulator" has changed in the past few years...
My computer has a keyboard, a mouse, a joystick and a gamepad. It really depends on the game what I use but I would -never- even think about using the gamepad for ME3. Or any other shooter like game.

It is thanks to the consoles that today's games are dumbed down and simple. Even ME3 could have been a much better game with proper PC support. For example, I would love to have more than Space for interactions.

I miss the old games... but I better stop here before I yell at you youngsters to get off my lawn...

[Ryuji2]

It's a matter of preference. Games like Sonic Generations or other platformers tend to favor controllers over keyboard + mouse while games like CoD and other first-person or third-person shooters tend to favor the mouse + keyboard over a controller.

Why? Simple. With a mouse + keyboard, the reaction time and aiming speed in a FPS or TPS game is *FAR* greater than what could be done with a controller, hands down. Now, am I saying that using a controller is pointless for those types of games?

No, I am not. What I am saying is that most people will perform better in a FPS or TPS game when using a keyboard + mouse. Most. Not all, most.

Also, the thing that's so brilliant about the keyboard and mouse combo is that you have a LOT of keybindings instead of having cases like in ME3 where one button does everything. Again, I'm speaking specifically in ME3's case since that's what the original topic was about, preference for keyboard and mouse over a controller or vice versa.

So in short, FPS and TPS games are just played better with a mouse and keyboard over a controller while a controller will be favored over mouse and keyboard for some other genres.

[Xaijin]

Then there is the matter that practically all games are designed with a gamepad in mind.

You should stop typing stupid things as it makes you look stupid in what is already a stupid topic.

[DcIhNaGv3z]

I play on the console (Xbox360) and greatly prefer using a mouse and keyboard (XIM 3 link in my sig).

It just feels like a more natural aiming device.

[LuckyBullet95]

Because lolPointAndWin

[ISHYGDDT]

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

Because lolPointAndWin

Just like bejeweled. My favorite <3

[zed888]

Makai81 wrote...

 This and the worst OS known to man, Windows, are the reasons I'm not a PC gamer.  

You can always dual-boot.  If I'm not playing a game, I'm not running Windows.

[BridgeBurner]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

Because lolPointAndWin

Just like bejeweled. My favorite <3

I don't always play point and click adventure games, but when I do, they still take more skill than console "shooter" games.

Modifié par Annomander, 20 mai 2013 - 10:22 .

[BluRay]

 I have played with PS since i was 10 (so like 8 years ago) and now,it's since an year or two that i play on PC,i completly forgot how to use a joypad lmao,but i have ps3 anyway.I play fine with mouse and keys

[Shephard-Commander909]

But if using a game pad is that important, why get a PC?

Edit: Also have you seen some of the mouses you can buy? Casual my a**

Modifié par Shephard-Commander909, 21 mai 2013 - 07:17 .

[LuckyBullet95]

Annomander wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

Because lolPointAndWin

Just like bejeweled. My favorite <3

I don't always play point and click adventure games, but when I do, they still take more skill than console "shooter" games.

Is that before or after you're done modding your coalesced file?

[Titus Thongger]

Sinful Force wrote...

Titus Thongger wrote...

for fps games, a mouse and keyboard is a superior piece of gaming hardware. there isn't any debate about it. with anything a gamepad can do, a mouse+keyboard can do better.

Oh, I won't argure with this (shocking, I know, lol), what I' arguing about is different. Yes, any game can be easier via mouse and key (even 2d fighting game cause you can instantly go from pressing forward on a keyboard to up by using two fingers instead of only one and rolling from forward to up), it's just that. It's takes aways from what videogames are really about, adjusting to a nicely designed challenge and better yourself at it. Instead of having it super easy right off the bat. Course, I can rebuttal myself here even by saying that a game designed specifically towards the PC race can make these adjustments. But just increasing the reaction time of aiming in a fps VS leaving at default console speed seem pretty silly to me. Especially at the loss of comfort. ... Oh, and since PC players are playing with console reaction time, since ME3 is designed for console, aren't they basically cheating?... Oh yeah, the Master race & cheater race is one of the same. Sorry for the insult.

enemies react faster on pc which runs at 60fps to compensate for PC's higher accuracy.

[Terminator Force]

DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

I play on the console (Xbox360) and greatly prefer using a mouse and keyboard (XIM 3 link in my sig).

It just feels like a more natural aiming device.

Right here. You don't find this wrong? Doesn't it feel like cheating to you to just be able to point at the bad guy to shoot or at least all of a sudden not feel like you gaming anymore? Like in ME3, what's the point of practicing sniping via sniper weapon when you can just point at the bad guy and shoot like that? How come this does not feel wrong to others? As this is the same a playing Duck Hunt NES standing right up against the TV to me. As in, in that game if you do this, what's the point? Another example is adding lazer sighting on a scopeless pistol basically makes it too easy all of a sudden. So in others words & my point; "THIS IS BORING." I guess not many see it the way I do?... Oh well, time to move on after this post & I pray times don't change too fast (dam Nintendo and their motion plus & plastic scratchless pen up their saggy jiggle bum, bum is speeding BS notion faster then ever )...


(I only wish the standard gamepads, Sony/Microsoft, had more buttons, why when I hunt for PC gamepads I make sure they have plenty of button for extra cotumization & comfort... basically Sega style 6 face buttons, Sega/Microsoft circular D-Pad, whatever style dual analogs, at least 2 shoulder buttons, and more extra buttons like start/select/and where ever else they can be crammed, lol)

[grizzlycrunky]

Becouse for shooter, controllers is just suck for aiming. period

Joy is kinda better for fighing\\mele games.

[Titus Thongger]

Sinful Force wrote...

DcIhNaGv3z wrote...

I play on the console (Xbox360) and greatly prefer using a mouse and keyboard (XIM 3 link in my sig).

It just feels like a more natural aiming device.

Right here. You don't find this wrong? Doesn't it feel like cheating to you to just be able to point at the bad guy to shoot or at least all of a sudden not feel like you gaming anymore? Like in ME3, what's the point of practicing sniping via sniper weapon when you can just point at the bad guy and shoot like that? How come this does not feel wrong to others? As this is the same a playing Duck Hunt NES standing right up against the TV to me. As in, in that game if you do this, what's the point? Another example is adding lazer sighting on a scopeless pistol basically makes it too easy all of a sudden. So in others words & my point; "THIS IS BORING." I guess not many see it the way I do?... Oh well, time to move on after this post & I pray times don't change too fast (dam Nintendo and their motion plus & plastic scratchless pen up their saggy jiggle bum, bum is speeding BS notion faster then ever )...


(I only wish the standard gamepads, Sony/Microsoft, had more buttons, why when I hunt for PC gamepads I make sure they have plenty of button for extra cotumization & comfort... basically Sega style 6 face buttons, Sega/Microsoft circular D-Pad, whatever style dual analogs, at least 2 shoulder buttons, and more extra buttons like start/select/and where ever else they can be crammed, lol)

well ME3 is already a laughably easy game so you're example is a poor one. try playing counterstrike, unreal, or other hyper-fast competitive games and you'll see that it's anything but easy even with a mouse.

Modifié par Titus Thongger, 21 mai 2013 - 05:50 .

[OneCoolCow]

HolyAvenger wrote...

OneCoolCow wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Touchpad ftwB) 

On a laptop cuz that is impossible I have tried or a peripheral cuz WHY WOULD YOU BUY THAT?

 

Not impossible bruh. You need more practice/more nimble fingers  

cgtrfghj7 wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Touchpad ftwB) 

What? How? I'm genuinely curois as to how this is possible. 

Laptop. Perfectly possible. I PUG plat/solo plat/outscore scrubby SPECTRE members with my trusty touchpad.

Don't often get 20 headshots mind:lol: 

The problem I find is the clicking, sometimes it is amazing difficult to get a single squared touchpad to right click, and how do u aim and shoot at the same time?  Like ring finger on right click, middle controlling aiming, and pointer on left click?  HOW HWY HWERE HWEN   WUT  I am actually sorta intrigued and want to try this out for myself again.  

[Innocent Bystander]

Okay. My keyboard is Razer Tarantula, which is hardly typing equipment (every key is fully programable including macros) and mouses SS Diablo 3 and SS WoW 2 (14 buttons and any of those can be assigned at least 4 different actions).
Next your arcade. Missile Command and Warlords (IIRC name) had both trackballs (basically mouse on back) so this argument is invalid. Anyway, most games there have pretty much simple controls, one stick and one to four buttons.
Keyboard was forced? First game ever was text-based game controlled by gues what? Keyboard.
"Playing games with a gamepad is what videogames is all about." Lol at this. Tell this to teens, not us "old dogs" who went through ZX Spectrum/C64/Atari/Amiga and more, which all had games controlled by keyboard and/or mouse. Joystick was just one of options.
NES was released 1985 (outside of Japan), Atari XL 1979, ZX Spectrum and C64 1982. Computers (and keyboards) win again. Granted, I've got my ZX in 1990, but that's the price of living in communist controlled country.
That most games nowadays are designed with gamepad in mind is probably true. It's probably main reason why are they so dumbed down. No shortcuts, only a few usable skills/abilities and so on. On PC we have things like Starcraft, WoW, Freespace (and other space sims, but those are usually better controlled by joystick instead of mouse). Try those with gamepad.

TL;DR: Basically what you're getting at is that game that requires more than analog stick and a few buttons to control is not a propper game with which I respectfully disagree.

[Titus Thongger]

^ thank you Luyza. stick it to these damn kids

[Xaijin]

Titus Thongger wrote...

Sinful Force wrote...

Titus Thongger wrote...

for fps games, a mouse and keyboard is a superior piece of gaming hardware. there isn't any debate about it. with anything a gamepad can do, a mouse+keyboard can do better.

Oh, I won't argure with this (shocking, I know, lol), what I' arguing about is different. Yes, any game can be easier via mouse and key (even 2d fighting game cause you can instantly go from pressing forward on a keyboard to up by using two fingers instead of only one and rolling from forward to up), it's just that. It's takes aways from what videogames are really about, adjusting to a nicely designed challenge and better yourself at it. Instead of having it super easy right off the bat. Course, I can rebuttal myself here even by saying that a game designed specifically towards the PC race can make these adjustments. But just increasing the reaction time of aiming in a fps VS leaving at default console speed seem pretty silly to me. Especially at the loss of comfort. ... Oh, and since PC players are playing with console reaction time, since ME3 is designed for console, aren't they basically cheating?... Oh yeah, the Master race & cheater race is one of the same. Sorry for the insult.

enemies react faster on pc which runs at 300fps to compensate for PC's higher accuracy.

ftfy

[Meeeps]

The most silly thing about PC keyboard binding is why does it use WASD instead ESDF. Most games allow to remap, but e.g. ME3 does not allow to assign "T". Has someone an idea, how/when/why this "offset" origins?

While playing it often happens that my fingers are on wrong start positions again in critical situations when they left the keyboard because of grabbing drinks etc.

[4ut0b4hn5child27]

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