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[Dilandau3000]

Best of the worst

Three guys in the lobby. Two were both N7 15000-something, and challenge points 87000 and 117000. The third guy was low on both, and got two kick votes. Although there was no reason to kick him imo, I did anyway just because I expected those two guys not to ready up until I did. We started the mission with three players. Geth/Dagger/Gold.

So, those two extremely high ranked guys? They were bad. Not terribad, but definitely not good. They were playing the N7 Shadow and Salarian Infiltrator, while I was the FQE. We were joined by an N7 Destroyer, but he left after getting stomped on wave 5. It was the three of us for the rest of it.

I bled out on wave 5 myself too; I was getting revived, I thought it was on time but the game decided otherwise. Watching them on spectator mode was painful. They got through most of their medigel and needed several rockets to survive the wave. They kept getting themselves cornered, then one would die and the other would try to revive while surrounded by two primes, three pyros and two hunters or something like that. Guess how well that went.

They kept talking on voice chat (I couldn't reply because my mike wasn't hooked up). One of the things they kept saying to me was "stay with us, we can't revive you if you die." Fair enough, but I'm not staying with you if you keep getting yourselves cornered.

Sigh.

Final score, I was around 190k while they barely made a 100k.

[Supreme Leech]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Best of the worst

Three guys in the lobby. Two were both N7 15000-something, and challenge points 87000 and 117000. The third guy was low on both, and got two kick votes. Although there was no reason to kick him imo, I did anyway just because I expected those two guys not to ready up until I did. We started the mission with three players. Geth/Dagger/Gold.

So, those two extremely high ranked guys? They were bad. Not terribad, but definitely not good. They were playing the N7 Shadow and Salarian Infiltrator, while I was the FQE. We were joined by an N7 Destroyer, but he left after getting stomped on wave 5. It was the three of us for the rest of it.

I bled out on wave 5 myself too; I was getting revived, I thought it was on time but the game decided otherwise. Watching them on spectator mode was painful. They got through most of their medigel and needed several rockets to survive the wave. They kept getting themselves cornered, then one would die and the other would try to revive while surrounded by two primes, three pyros and two hunters or something like that. Guess how well that went.

They kept talking on voice chat (I couldn't reply because my mike wasn't hooked up). One of the things they kept saying to me was "stay with us, we can't revive you if you die." Fair enough, but I'm not staying with you if you keep getting yourselves cornered.

Sigh.

Final score, I was around 190k while they barely made a 100k.

This is how all of my games go. But...why do their N7/challenge points matter? And why does it matter if they played badly? The way I see it, it's just a game, it's meant for fun. People are free to play as badly as they'd like, they're not harming anyone, they're just playing a game. When you play with randoms, you always run the risk of playing with bad players. But I don't let it frustrate me any more, it's just a game.

[Dilandau3000]

It doesn't matter that they play badly (we still finished the mission), it just surprises me when someone who has apparently spent so much time on this game (N7 points you can buy, but challenge points you have to spend the hours to grind) and have such a low level of understanding of its mechanics.

After wave 8, one of them said "I thought that was wave 9." It didn't have primes. How can you play this game for enough time to get 117,000 challenge points, yet not know that it's wave 8 that doesn't have primes on gold. I can only assume that they just stay on bronze and silver all the time to grind challenges.

Extraction, one of them went "there are two primes in the LZ, this is a good time to use my last rocket" (he actually said that). Two problems with it though: 1) it was 50 seconds before extraction, and 2) that wasn't the LZ (it was Dagger, he was in the LZ area on the side while the one we'd actually been assigned was behind array control).

It just boggles the mind how you can play the game that much, yet still not pick up things like that. It doesn't spoil my fun or anything (otherwise I would've stopped playing a long time ago  ), in fact I like the "box of chocolates" factor of pugging. It's just something I don't understand.

Modifié par Dilandau3000, 16 décembre 2013 - 01:16 .

[TopTrog]

Excellent. Played some matches with three very good players, lots of fun, combos and very smooth runs. I pug a lot and usually the games are never too bad, but this group was outstanding.

[Dilandau3000]

For Rannoch!

Three FQEs (one of them me) and one GE, on Reapers/Goddess/Gold. It was a great game, but much soup was spilled that day.

[Supreme Leech]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

It doesn't matter that they play badly (we still finished the mission), it just surprises me when someone who has apparently spent so much time on this game (N7 points you can buy, but challenge points you have to spend the hours to grind) and have such a low level of understanding of its mechanics.

After wave 8, one of them said "I thought that was wave 9." It didn't have primes. How can you play this game for enough time to get 117,000 challenge points, yet not know that it's wave 8 that doesn't have primes on gold. I can only assume that they just stay on bronze and silver all the time to grind challenges.

Extraction, one of them went "there are two primes in the LZ, this is a good time to use my last rocket" (he actually said that). Two problems with it though: 1) it was 50 seconds before extraction, and 2) that wasn't the LZ (it was Dagger, he was in the LZ area on the side while the one we'd actually been assigned was behind array control).

It just boggles the mind how you can play the game that much, yet still not pick up things like that. It doesn't spoil my fun or anything (otherwise I would've stopped playing a long time ago  ), in fact I like the "box of chocolates" factor of pugging. It's just something I don't understand.

I have 60,000 N7 and 120,000 challenge points myself, and I play mostly on bronze, sometimes silver and gold, and I'm really bad at the game but I still like to play it, bronze can get quite tough for me. People expect players like us with high N7/challenge points to be super good, but that's completely unreasonable, I'm sorry to say. So I can definitely relate to those players, they sound exactly like the kind of player that I am...experience doesn't necessarily correlate with skill. The expectations that are placed on such players are unreasonable. People see big numbers and start making assumptions and develop really high expectations for those players. The numbers just mean you like to promote a lot and complete challenges repeatedly, that's all.

[didacuscarr]

XFG-65 wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

It doesn't matter that they play badly (we still finished the mission), it just surprises me when someone who has apparently spent so much time on this game (N7 points you can buy, but challenge points you have to spend the hours to grind) and have such a low level of understanding of its mechanics.

After wave 8, one of them said "I thought that was wave 9." It didn't have primes. How can you play this game for enough time to get 117,000 challenge points, yet not know that it's wave 8 that doesn't have primes on gold. I can only assume that they just stay on bronze and silver all the time to grind challenges.

Extraction, one of them went "there are two primes in the LZ, this is a good time to use my last rocket" (he actually said that). Two problems with it though: 1) it was 50 seconds before extraction, and 2) that wasn't the LZ (it was Dagger, he was in the LZ area on the side while the one we'd actually been assigned was behind array control).

It just boggles the mind how you can play the game that much, yet still not pick up things like that. It doesn't spoil my fun or anything (otherwise I would've stopped playing a long time ago  ), in fact I like the "box of chocolates" factor of pugging. It's just something I don't understand.

I have 60,000 N7 and 120,000 challenge points myself, and I play mostly on bronze, sometimes silver and gold, and I'm really bad at the game but I still like to play it, bronze can get quite tough for me. People expect players like us with high N7/challenge points to be super good, but that's completely unreasonable, I'm sorry to say. So I can definitely relate to those players, they sound exactly like the kind of player that I am...experience doesn't necessarily correlate with skill. The expectations that are placed on such players are unreasonable. People see big numbers and start making assumptions and develop really high expectations for those players. The numbers just mean you like to promote a lot and complete challenges repeatedly, that's all.

Are you serious??? I thought you are the best player on BSN with your N7!

OT: My last pug I teamed up with Pint and Knocking and we let a pug in. He was botb, AJA with Reegar and just WA III and gear. In game I could literally see a big "?" on him. LOL

Modifié par N7didacus, 16 décembre 2013 - 04:15 .

[PsychoticBiotic]

Troll...

15 seconds to extraction and a Prime blocked my path to the LZ.  Being a Saboteur, I hacked it and ran past it. Unfortunately there was a possessed abomination standing in the LZ, which the Prime prompty shot and killed. 

[bondiboy]

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

Troll...

15 seconds to extraction and a Prime blocked my path to the LZ.  Being a Saboteur, I hacked it and ran past it. Unfortunately there was a possessed abomination standing in the LZ, which the Prime prompty shot and killed. 

Lol

[Daxamite]

1) lagalicious.

Waves 1-3 against geth glacier were fine, but wave 4 onwards became v laggy for everyone, sometimes 1 sec sometimes 2 sec delay, occasional teleporting. Lucky its slow moving geth and not cerberus. The host was a v competent novaguard so we did fine actually.

2) noobs
i thought the other high N7 and I could carry the two beginners, but it was a horrible cerberus reactor match, wave 6 onwards was grim. i used up a lot of rockets to save them when they kept dying in a pile but i needed a lot of saving myself. wave 9 wipe :-/

[chcknwng]

N7didacus wrote...

XFG-65 wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

It doesn't matter that they play badly (we still finished the mission), it just surprises me when someone who has apparently spent so much time on this game (N7 points you can buy, but challenge points you have to spend the hours to grind) and have such a low level of understanding of its mechanics.

After wave 8, one of them said "I thought that was wave 9." It didn't have primes. How can you play this game for enough time to get 117,000 challenge points, yet not know that it's wave 8 that doesn't have primes on gold. I can only assume that they just stay on bronze and silver all the time to grind challenges.

Extraction, one of them went "there are two primes in the LZ, this is a good time to use my last rocket" (he actually said that). Two problems with it though: 1) it was 50 seconds before extraction, and 2) that wasn't the LZ (it was Dagger, he was in the LZ area on the side while the one we'd actually been assigned was behind array control).

It just boggles the mind how you can play the game that much, yet still not pick up things like that. It doesn't spoil my fun or anything (otherwise I would've stopped playing a long time ago  ), in fact I like the "box of chocolates" factor of pugging. It's just something I don't understand.

I have 60,000 N7 and 120,000 challenge points myself, and I play mostly on bronze, sometimes silver and gold, and I'm really bad at the game but I still like to play it, bronze can get quite tough for me. People expect players like us with high N7/challenge points to be super good, but that's completely unreasonable, I'm sorry to say. So I can definitely relate to those players, they sound exactly like the kind of player that I am...experience doesn't necessarily correlate with skill. The expectations that are placed on such players are unreasonable. People see big numbers and start making assumptions and develop really high expectations for those players. The numbers just mean you like to promote a lot and complete challenges repeatedly, that's all.

Are you serious??? I thought you are the best player on BSN with your N7!

OT: My last pug I teamed up with Pint and Knocking and we let a pug in. He was botb, AJA with Reegar and just WA III and gear. In game I could literally see a big "?" on him. LOL

I felt really, really bad for the pug. Did he even get 25 kills?


The first pug died numeral times but gelled iirc, and dc'ed after wave 10 (or freeze. It was haz Ghost on ps3. Go figure).

Second pug bled out a couple times...I was too busy scrubbing the floor to remember.

[Silvershroud]

I don't need a word.  Just look at the score screen.

 

And yes, we were all there from wave 1 to the end.

[didacuscarr]

wngmv wrote...

N7didacus wrote...

XFG-65 wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

It doesn't matter that they play badly (we still finished the mission), it just surprises me when someone who has apparently spent so much time on this game (N7 points you can buy, but challenge points you have to spend the hours to grind) and have such a low level of understanding of its mechanics.

After wave 8, one of them said "I thought that was wave 9." It didn't have primes. How can you play this game for enough time to get 117,000 challenge points, yet not know that it's wave 8 that doesn't have primes on gold. I can only assume that they just stay on bronze and silver all the time to grind challenges.

Extraction, one of them went "there are two primes in the LZ, this is a good time to use my last rocket" (he actually said that). Two problems with it though: 1) it was 50 seconds before extraction, and 2) that wasn't the LZ (it was Dagger, he was in the LZ area on the side while the one we'd actually been assigned was behind array control).

It just boggles the mind how you can play the game that much, yet still not pick up things like that. It doesn't spoil my fun or anything (otherwise I would've stopped playing a long time ago  ), in fact I like the "box of chocolates" factor of pugging. It's just something I don't understand.

I have 60,000 N7 and 120,000 challenge points myself, and I play mostly on bronze, sometimes silver and gold, and I'm really bad at the game but I still like to play it, bronze can get quite tough for me. People expect players like us with high N7/challenge points to be super good, but that's completely unreasonable, I'm sorry to say. So I can definitely relate to those players, they sound exactly like the kind of player that I am...experience doesn't necessarily correlate with skill. The expectations that are placed on such players are unreasonable. People see big numbers and start making assumptions and develop really high expectations for those players. The numbers just mean you like to promote a lot and complete challenges repeatedly, that's all.

Are you serious??? I thought you are the best player on BSN with your N7!

OT: My last pug I teamed up with Pint and Knocking and we let a pug in. He was botb, AJA with Reegar and just WA III and gear. In game I could literally see a big "?" on him. LOL

I felt really, really bad for the pug. Did he even get 25 kills?


The first pug died numeral times but gelled iirc, and dc'ed after wave 10 (or freeze. It was haz Ghost on ps3. Go figure).

Second pug bled out a couple times...I was too busy scrubbing the floor to remember.

He got 50 assists, that is all.

[chcknwng]

N7didacus wrote...

He got 50 assists, that is all.

STAHP. TERRORIZING. PUGS.

[didacuscarr]

wngmv wrote...

N7didacus wrote...

He got 50 assists, that is all.

STAHP. TERRORIZING. PUGS.

Earning them credits in 17min is terrorizing? If I was a pug, I'd hope to not land in a lobby with Zain and me.

[zvvie]

N7didacus wrote...

wngmv wrote...

N7didacus wrote...

He got 50 assists, that is all.

STAHP. TERRORIZING. PUGS.

Earning them credits in 17min is terrorizing? If I was a pug, I'd hope to not land in a lobby with Zain and me.

You forget me?  

[chcknwng]

N7didacus wrote...

wngmv wrote...

N7didacus wrote...

He got 50 assists, that is all.

STAHP. TERRORIZING. PUGS.

Earning them credits in 17min is terrorizing? If I was a pug, I'd hope to not land in a lobby with Zain and me.

The pug would get PTSD and stop playing the game immediately. 

I'd leave immediate if I pug into Zain and you. The lag would be debilitating.

[didacuscarr]

@Zv: Nope.

@Wng: I didn't even mean the lag.

Modifié par N7didacus, 16 décembre 2013 - 06:04 .

[akots1]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

It doesn't matter that they play badly (we still finished the mission) ...

I don't think bad players can fiish the mission (full extraction on gold) and you mention yourself they carried you when you bled out. They did the objectives, used their gels and rockets and clips and ops packs, and revived as needed staying together. I'm not sure what you mean by saying that they play badly. You mentioned also something about score but nobody in that game really cared about it apart from you. So, it is irrelevant. I think, I know the guys you played with and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

New

Pugged a Thunderdome with Pint and Finn, and an N7 1 dropped in. Carried him through a quick match, he didn't do too bad considering it was his first game.

[Dilandau3000]

akots1 wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

It doesn't matter that they play badly (we still finished the mission) ...

I don't think bad players can fiish the mission (full extraction on gold) and you mention yourself they carried you when you bled out. They did the objectives, used their gels and rockets and clips and ops packs, and revived as needed staying together. I'm not sure what you mean by saying that they play badly. You mentioned also something about score but nobody in that game really cared about it apart from you. So, it is irrelevant. I think, I know the guys you played with and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them.

Score was not the reason I felt they played badly. The reason I felt they played badly is because they kept getting themselves in bad spots, getting flanked and cornered, kept dying, kept trying to revive each other when it was a bad idea to do so, and did and said several things that indicate a lack of understanding of game mechanics. The only reason they survived wave 5 without me was through copious use of medigel, ops packs and rockets.

As I said, they weren't terrible. I've certainly seen worse pugs. But they did a number of things that made it feel like they were very inexperienced (at playing gold, at least), which I wouldn't expect from someone with 2500+ hours (and who completed map mastery 10x, indicating he must've played a reasonable amount of gold missions).

It could be they were having a bad day and are normally fantastic players. I'm not judging their overall performance. I'm just commenting on how their performance looked from my pov in this particular mission, which was below what I would expect from someone with equal experience as me, let alone someone with 5x more experience than me.

Modifié par Dilandau3000, 16 décembre 2013 - 06:37 .

[Argent Xero]

Lonely.

Nobody ever joins my Public lobby. ;_;

I had to solo Collector/Vancouver/Gold with the Batarian Sentinel, but Wave 10 was being trollish with the spawns. I had a minute to do the last Device, but an Abomination managed to jump on me and ruin everything. After using all my missiles and with 10 seconds left, I punched a Praetorian.

[Supreme Leech]

ArgentN7 wrote...

Lonely.

Nobody ever joins my Public lobby. ;_;

I had to solo Collector/Vancouver/Gold with the Batarian Sentinel, but Wave 10 was being trollish with the spawns. I had a minute to do the last Device, but an Abomination managed to jump on me and ruin everything. After using all my missiles and with 10 seconds left, I punched a Praetorian.

Really tough when this happens...I had 2 failed gold solos (london/collectors and london cerberus) because no-one joined, both because of horrible wave 10 devices. I had the EXACT same thing happen to me - wave 10 devices, abomination jumps on my back and ruins everything just as I'm about to finish the device. I too missiled everything before letting myself die.

[Creator Limbs]

ArgentN7 wrote...

Lonely.

Nobody ever joins my Public lobby. ;_;

I had to solo Collector/Vancouver/Gold with the Batarian Sentinel, but Wave 10 was being trollish with the spawns. I had a minute to do the last Device, but an Abomination managed to jump on me and ruin everything. After using all my missiles and with 10 seconds left, I punched a Praetorian.

I can play with you in about 30 minutes if you want, Argent

Just need to unwind a bit from work first.

[Edwardian070580]

GETH/REACTOR /GOLD.
REVIVING! Was a volus adept just kept everyone alive and well