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Had some fun games with Zamweer, using  with various biotic power combinations.

 

Gold / Goddess / Cerberus : Asari Vanguard - Asari Adept , joined later by another Asari Adept and a Krolord

Gold / Jade / Collectors : Asari Valkyrie - Vanilla Human Adept + the Krolord and forgot who was the other.

Platinum / Glacier / Reapers : Batarian Slasher - Vanilla Human Adept + Paladin and Jugg.

 

I believe the Jugg guy was named Maus[number] and it's the third time I've played with him being a Javelin Jugg which I thouth was an original and cool combination.

 

I find the Jugg is better with the Widow than the Javelin. I usually use him with the Saber or Lancer, or Eagle+Hurricane, but I use the Widow occasionally, which is pretty fun actually. Widow -> Reload -> Siege Pulse -> Fire Explsoion. Or Siege Pulse -> Widow -> Reload -> Siege Pulse -> Fire Explosion for tougher mid-tier enemies. A side-armed Hurricane can help with bosses.

 

Double Piercing Mods on a Widow is still pretty good penetration, even with Incendiary Ammo.



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as in myself........I felt like torturing people tonight...so I did 2 pre-set lobbies to Reactor Hazard Collectors........I seriously couldn't keep track of how many times I was responsible for killing teammates.  It was either an a-bomb, a possessed a-bomb or the reactor.....those were the pugs only options of death... ( or by the enemy but meh -_-  ).......lots of laughs were had by my loco self.........................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

of course I revived them...only so I could kill them again.


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I find the Jugg is better with the Widow than the Javelin. I usually use him with the Saber or Lancer, or Eagle+Hurricane, but I use the Widow occasionally, which is pretty fun actually. Widow -> Reload -> Siege Pulse -> Fire Explsoion. Or Siege Pulse -> Widow -> Reload -> Siege Pulse -> Fire Explosion for tougher mid-tier enemies. A side-armed Hurricane can help with bosses.

 

Double Piercing Mods on a Widow is still pretty good penetration, even with Incendiary Ammo.

The unspeakable truth, actually it's absolutely speakable, is I never play the Jugg unless I choose siege pulse as the 13/13 tech mastery item and solo him on silver which does not happen often. It's not a kit I enjoy playing at all.

 

As for sniper rifles, I'm having a lot of difficulties using anything else but a good old pistol (Arc mainly, Acolyte for SMG/Pistol combos, Paladin, Carnifex, Eagle from time to time) or the occasional shotgun. I've never used the Widow that much except in the begining when it was so OP, then dropped it when it became kinda lame, then it became good again but I had the BW already.

 

I know a lot of players argue about what's the best sniper out there which makes no sense as far as I'm concerned. As for me, I mainly use snipers with Infiltrators on Platinum and I'm the most effective with BW or Jav. Other than that, I use the Valiant, the Widow, Kishock, CSR and Mantis more or less in that order. 

 

Finally, I think it's a bit peculiar that one is called the Back Widow when the other is just called the Widow. It's obviously racism. *Mass Effect is racist* theory coming up soon... wait, the alliance just informed me it already exists. It was apparently written by a Volus , a Vorcha and a Pyjak hmm.... hard to argue with that logic.



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If the Javelin had the Kishock's Shield Gate ignoring, I would use it. As it stands right now, the Widows penetrate enough anyway, and the Kishock does more damage (even without the Shield Gate thing), I find it very hard to justify using the Javelin.

 

And as to the Carnifex/Paladin, I hate the Paladin, the Carnifex outperforms it, and is more versatile. Arc Pistol is one of those guns that I WANT to like, I really do, and on paper, I do like it. Same with the Acolyte. I just don't really like the charge guns in this game.

 

Just give me a Saber, a Lancer, or a Claymoar, and I'm pretty happy.


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Stun lock!

I had some excellent games on Wii U and PC using the geth engineer. I don't know how I'm scoring higher, but it's happening with this kit. It's amazing!

Had a second match on Wii U as the salarian infiltrator and I owned the plotted saps!. LOL!

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Baffling. That's it, medigels must be an ultra-rare drop for several pugs in the game.

When I finally thought I found a good Plat pug after countless leechers, the trap sprung: they were outta gel. Or at least, that's what the positive me would think. The negative me thought: why the **** would you bleed out? Why in hell would you preserve that medigel? Why in the name of **** **** are you not capable of using them, you ***** *****? It's W9, and at least half of your gels are unused, also the unnecessary spawn rockets. If you are trying to topscore, you should, you know, use gels so you don't spend every wave post W6 bleeding out? The host kroguard managed to find the down button, what's with you? Were you playing with an Atari 5200 controller? Did you waste money at Gamestop for a D-pad-less version? Do you have one arm?

I'm going back to gold. Financially, it's a better choice.

 

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I went down to silver to level up my GE, and the host is one of the no-gel pugs I mentioned in the above post. Centurions don't cry, but now I am awfully close.

 

PSS
Lost connection, YAY! If you happy and you know it clap your robotic Geth hands!


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If the Javelin had the Kishock's Shield Gate ignoring, I would use it. As it stands right now, the Widows penetrate enough anyway, and the Kishock does more damage (even without the Shield Gate thing), I find it very hard to justify using the Javelin.

 

And as to the Carnifex/Paladin, I hate the Paladin, the Carnifex outperforms it, and is more versatile. Arc Pistol is one of those guns that I WANT to like, I really do, and on paper, I do like it. Same with the Acolyte. I just don't really like the charge guns in this game.

 

Just give me a Saber, a Lancer, or a Claymoar, and I'm pretty happy.

 

Numbers and facts say things about a weapon, but it's hard to take them all into consideration and even so, you have to think about this as a whole instead of an accumulation of several factors. The objective part (facts) and the subjective one (opinion, enjoyment of the weapon, personal skillset, experience etc.) both work together as a whole. If you don't see that, it's hard to see past your own estimations and you'll have trouble understanding why others feel differently about the same thing.

 

I remember not so long ago, I was talking about how FHE+Carnifex was my all time favourite combination. Then somebody said it was good but Asari+Carnifex was better. Then I must have said something about my undying love for FHE+Carnifex and he answered me, basically saying that I was wrong and that fact A + B + C = Asari+Carnifex was better. Genuinely missing the fact that I wasn't talking about what's better or more efficient but just about my favourite combo which are two different things. My favourite combo was determined by some objective factors sure, but a huge part comes from subjective ones. Found memories I have from my beginning of ME3MP or even random things like the sound of that gun. As another example, I could say that the fact that the Claymore is associated with Krogans and Grunt makes it way more baddass in my eyes and somehow adds to its value.

 

What I can say about Javelin vs Kishock, is that from my own personal experience and what I've seen from other players for years, on Platinum with specific kits (like GI or Salarian inf for instance), Javelin will be more efficient. Doesn't mean it's better, merely that in a clear significant way, I've overall gotten better scores with it and seen better scores from other players. I can't explain why nor do I really feel the need to. You may have a different experience of the weapon and if Kishock works better for you then great, whatever floats your boat.

 

I'm not saying that I'm not willing to listen to other player's suggestions and try new things. I've done that a lot since I discovered BSN, it's fun and it made me change/improve a lot of things in my gameplay. On the other hand, if I'm way better with a weapon than with another, if I enjoy using it more and someone tells me my weapon is crap and that the other is better because A and B and C... Well, like I said, I'm willing to try new things to a certain point but some things just work better for you wheter you can make sense of it or not. 

 

Same with the Carnifex, you said it outperforms the Paladin, I can't agree with that. They way I see it, they both work better or worse depending on the myriad of factors you associate them with. From the way I play, my skillset, preferences and considering many external patterns as a whole, I can say that I've been more efficient with the Paladin. Meaning getting higher scores overall. One reason is that the Carnifex lacks a bit of damage on Platinum which is the difficulty I play the most. That reality might not be true for everybody, like I said, many factors to consider. Despite that, I still like the Carnifex more. Not because of efficiency, I just have better fun with it overall but that's absolutely not because of statistics only.

 

Players will be arguing about weapons until the end of time. Like people worship the Claymore and others hate it. How people feel about those things is fine, but the ones trying to shove their own opinions onto other with brute force is pointless (not talking about you). Like we had that war between Valiant and BW recently if I recall correctly. And then players willing to thunderdome to prove the truthness of their opinions which is impossible as they are opinions.

 

I don't like the Jugg, doesn't mean I'll dismiss other player's appreciation of it. I've seen some really good gameplay both in efficiency and teamwork from some Juggs. I've accepted that I don't like playing it, probably the only reason being I can't stand the lack of mobility and that it doesn't bother others as much as it does me.

 

Yeah, I've gotten a little out of topic here but I've been active on BSN for a few moths and I can't count the times I've seen people arguing about a weapon or a kit being better, a faction being worse , the best way to spec a kit etc. It's really fine when people are talking, exchanging, but sometimes it looks more like a fight ! So yeah to sum it up I think a lot of players take their opinions, however elaborate they are, as objective truths and can't accept others when they differ greatly from their own which is a shame.


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#15633
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^I just usually find myself on the lonely side of gun/character opinions. It gets a little frustrating with everyone constantly telling you that your opinion is wrong, you start getting a little jaded about it, so sometimes I might come across a little harsher than intended.


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#15634
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Just take my advice and start talking about pizza.

 

Pizza is always the answer.

 

BUT it's funny to see how many people argue against you for an unpopular opinion. :P

 

The claymore is still terrible.



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Just take my advice and start talking about pizza.

 

Pizza is always the answer.

 

BUT it's funny to see how many people argue against you for an unpopular opinion. :P

 

The claymore is still terrible.

 

Carnage KroGuard is pretty epic, too.


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I've played the Kroguard once. :P Glacier/Geth. I died wave 1 on a silver solo using the Kroguard+Reegar, which THEORETICALLY should have been ideal.

 

I hate all Krogan. I hate them with a passion lol. I don't know why, but they mess with my spatial awareness. ALL of them. I just can't play them. :P



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I've played the Kroguard once. :P Glacier/Geth. I died wave 1 on a silver solo using the Kroguard+Reegar, which THEORETICALLY should have been ideal.

 

I hate all Krogan. I hate them with a passion lol. I don't know why, but they mess with my spatial awareness. ALL of them. I just can't play them. :P

 

So, now adding all Krogan to my list of characters to play with you. Starting with the Princess the Warlord.



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I'll make sure to missile them. :P I'm the type of ******* who didn't cure the genophage. I don't like Krogan at the best of times. :P


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I'll make sure to missile them. :P I'm the type of ******* who didn't cure the genophage. I don't like Krogan at the best of times. :P

 

I always do, just to spite the Dalatrass, she p*sses me off. In fact, the entire council consistently p*sses me off. I'd shoot them myself if it was allowed. But do you know who pisses me off most? Kaidan. (Honourable mention to Udina, that bastard). How many times do you have to prove yourself to that whinny little b*tch? Contrasted by Garrus, who ALWAYS had your back, without question, that is why Garrus is Shepherd's bro, and always will be, I have so much respect for Garrus.



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Eh. I kill Kaidan in ME1 and Ashley in ME3. :P


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If the Javelin had the Kishock's Shield Gate ignoring, I would use it. As it stands right now, the Widows penetrate enough anyway, and the Kishock does more damage (even without the Shield Gate thing), I find it very hard to justify using the Javelin.

 

And as to the Carnifex/Paladin, I hate the Paladin, the Carnifex outperforms it, and is more versatile. Arc Pistol is one of those guns that I WANT to like, I really do, and on paper, I do like it. Same with the Acolyte. I just don't really like the charge guns in this game.

 

Just give me a Saber, a Lancer, or a Claymoar, and I'm pretty happy.

 

Ok, did some checking on kalence using the GI, specced for full damage as a template:

 

The kishok does a meager 3474 damage, the Widow does 5233 and the Javelin a whopping 7012 damage. Both Widow and Javelin will obviously kill a mook ten times over on gold. All 3 will obviously be capable of dealing with mooks on gold. But plat with its boss spam is a whole different matter. Every ounce of damage is needed if you want to make it through that.


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Numbers and facts say things about a weapon, but it's hard to take them all into consideration and even so, you have to think about this as a whole instead of an accumulation of several factors. The objective part (facts) and the subjective one (opinion, enjoyment of the weapon, personal skillset, experience etc.) both work together as a whole. If you don't see that, it's hard to see past your own estimations and you'll have trouble understanding why others feel differently about the same thing.

 

I remember not so long ago, I was talking about how FHE+Carnifex was my all time favourite combination. Then somebody said it was good but Asari+Carnifex was better. Then I must have said something about my undying love for FHE+Carnifex and he answered me, basically saying that I was wrong and that fact A + B + C = Asari+Carnifex was better. Genuinely missing the fact that I wasn't talking about what's better or more efficient but just about my favourite combo which are two different things. My favourite combo was determined by some objective factors sure, but a huge part comes from subjective ones. Found memories I have from my beginning of ME3MP or even random things like the sound of that gun. As another example, I could say that the fact that the Claymore is associated with Krogans and Grunt makes it way more baddass in my eyes and somehow adds to its value.

 

What I can say about Javelin vs Kishock, is that from my own personal experience and what I've seen from other players for years, on Platinum with specific kits (like GI or Salarian inf for instance), Javelin will be more efficient. Doesn't mean it's better, merely that in a clear significant way, I've overall gotten better scores with it and seen better scores from other players. I can't explain why nor do I really feel the need to. You may have a different experience of the weapon and if Kishock works better for you then great, whatever floats your boat.

 

I'm not saying that I'm not willing to listen to other player's suggestions and try new things. I've done that a lot since I discovered BSN, it's fun and it made me change/improve a lot of things in my gameplay. On the other hand, if I'm way better with a weapon than with another, if I enjoy using it more and someone tells me my weapon is crap and that the other is better because A and B and C... Well, like I said, I'm willing to try new things to a certain point but some things just work better for you wheter you can make sense of it or not. 

 

Same with the Carnifex, you said it outperforms the Paladin, I can't agree with that. They way I see it, they both work better or worse depending on the myriad of factors you associate them with. From the way I play, my skillset, preferences and considering many external patterns as a whole, I can say that I've been more efficient with the Paladin. Meaning getting higher scores overall. One reason is that the Carnifex lacks a bit of damage on Platinum which is the difficulty I play the most. That reality might not be true for everybody, like I said, many factors to consider. Despite that, I still like the Carnifex more. Not because of efficiency, I just have better fun with it overall but that's absolutely not because of statistics only.

 

Players will be arguing about weapons until the end of time. Like people worship the Claymore and others hate it. How people feel about those things is fine, but the ones trying to shove their own opinions onto other with brute force is pointless (not talking about you). Like we had that war between Valiant and BW recently if I recall correctly. And then players willing to thunderdome to prove the truthness of their opinions which is impossible as they are opinions.

 

I don't like the Jugg, doesn't mean I'll dismiss other player's appreciation of it. I've seen some really good gameplay both in efficiency and teamwork from some Juggs. I've accepted that I don't like playing it, probably the only reason being I can't stand the lack of mobility and that it doesn't bother others as much as it does me.

 

Yeah, I've gotten a little out of topic here but I've been active on BSN for a few moths and I can't count the times I've seen people arguing about a weapon or a kit being better, a faction being worse , the best way to spec a kit etc. It's really fine when people are talking, exchanging, but sometimes it looks more like a fight ! So yeah to sum it up I think a lot of players take their opinions, however elaborate they are, as objective truths and can't accept others when they differ greatly from their own which is a shame.

 

I read these posts you guys put up here and I realize just how much I don't know about this game. How much experience I don't have. I pick a character because I like them (Krogans Penguin, they're the best! ;) ). I stick a gun on them. It kills stuff. I'm happy. I probably ****** a lot of people off have more fun with my ignorance than some. I'm trying to learn and these in-depth posts always give me just one more tidbit about how to improve and not ****** a lot of people off.

 

OT - Went pugging with LightRobot for a couple of games. Didn't die too much. Didn't ****** him off get in his way too much. I hope. GG's


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Players will be arguing about weapons until the end of time. Like people worship the Claymore and others hate it. How people feel about those things is fine, but the ones trying to shove their own opinions onto other with brute force is pointless (not talking about you). Like we had that war between Valiant and BW recently if I recall correctly. And then players willing to thunderdome to prove the truthness of their opinions which is impossible as they are opinions.

 

Hey hey now. It was just a bit of drama to spice up the forums. B) Nobody's thunderdoming to prove the truthness that BW is better or disproving that valiant is crap :rolleyes:

 

But yeah I agree with you a good weapon is which you like more and have fun using it. And then there is whole other roleplaying factor. Krogans with claymore. Paladin Sentinel using a paladin pistol just for shits and giggles Batarian classes using a kishock etc etc. Shoving a specific opinion down other throats is as pointless as forcefully converting others to a different religion or no religion.


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Geth! Always with the Geth! Why do I get so many Geth matches! I hate the Geth! #yesallGeth #theQuarianswereright


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^I just usually find myself on the lonely side of gun/character opinions. It gets a little frustrating with everyone constantly telling you that your opinion is wrong, you start getting a little jaded about it, so sometimes I might come across a little harsher than intended.

 

 

Haha I get the frustration and loneliness, it's a harsh world out there  ;) . I see you as someone I can easily have interesting exchanges and debates on any given subjects as we did in the past but I understand what you're saying. The level of open mindeness (not sure how to spell that and I'm not gonna check for once) of people you're talking to can have a huge impact on how you answer yourself, especially if you're the minority oppressed by the doxa. Keep fighting brother, keep going against the tide.

 

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I read these posts you guys put up here and I realize just how much I don't know about this game. How much experience I don't have. I pick a character because I like them (Krogans Penguin, they're the best! ;) ). I stick a gun on them. It kills stuff. I'm happy. I probably ****** a lot of people off have more fun with my ignorance than some. I'm trying to learn and these in-depth posts always give me just one more tidbit about how to improve and not ****** a lot of people off.

 

OT - Went pugging with LightRobot for a couple of games. Didn't die too much. Didn't ****** him off get in his way too much. I hope. GG's

 

Honestly I'm quite incompetent when it comes to game mechanics. Despite being an oldschool and  dedicated player, most of it is still a mystery to me but I really don't mind. I'm not really the kind of player that go through numbers, statistics and stuff, more of a spontaneous one. It can be an advantage as you don't restrain yourself too much, on the other hand you can miss important stuff. Like I only learnt a few weeks ago about sthe Shockwave 4b bug, that it was the reason why shockwave always stopped working after a while and that I could prevent that just by chosing force and damage instead of radius.

 

I think your approach is optimal, as long as don't absolutely prevent yourself from trying new things once in a while and keep an open mind about new things you can learn. It's all about balance between your gameplay, how you can improve it and how others/external information can improve it, but more importantly, like you said, it's about having fun.

 

The game we played together were fun as far as I'm concerned. Don't play much Bronze or Silver so it's a nice change of pace and the occasion to try new things like strength enhancer on the human engineer which was a blast. The only thing is, it's a bit difficult for me to not kill everything in sight as soon as I see it as it's usually the common theme on platinum. So even though I tried to be more relaxed, I still showcased aggressive gameplay and I apologize for it, next time we play together I'll try even harder to be patient and more laid back.


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Ok, did some checking on kalence using the GI, specced for full damage as a template:

 

The kishok does a meager 3474 damage, the Widow does 5233 and the Javelin a whopping 7012 damage. Both Widow and Javelin will obviously kill a mook ten times over on gold. All 3 will obviously be capable of dealing with mooks on gold. But plat with its boss spam is a whole different matter. Every ounce of damage is needed if you want to make it through that.

 

Correction: Kishock does 6,079 there. With also ignoring Shield Gate, so you can take Warp IV for damage, or Incendiary IV for even more DoT.

 

Headshots:

Javelin: 16,853,

Kishock: 17,146

 

And that is with Geth bonus.


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I think your approach is optimal, as long as don't absolutely prevent yourself from trying new things once in a while and keep an open mind about new things you can learn. It's all about balance between your gameplay, how you can improve it and how others/external information can improve it, but more importantly, like you said, it's about having fun.

 

This pretty much. Numbercrunching rarely factors into what weapon on what kit I choose (unless its plat, then I start optimizing my dps as much as possible), its more about how I personally perform with said weapon. For example, I really like the Indra on my HFI and sometimes even outperform Javelin GIs with it. I´m not too much a fan of the BW and Kishock, give me the Krysae or the CSR over it anyday. I´m not a big fan of the lolcolyte, give me the Executioner/Paladin/Scorpion/Arc/Eagle instead. As far as shotguns go, I´m a big fan of the High Lord, the Raider, the Wraith, the Crusader and there I said it, the Disciple. I do occasionally use the Reegar, but I prefer pretty much all of the aforementioned shottys over it. I like the Valkyrie, the Argus ( yes I do, that thing can be a beast! ), the Lancer, the PPR and the Sabre. Throw in the Spitfire and Typhoon for gud measure and you´ve got pretty much all of my preferences as far as weapons go.


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Correction: Kishock does 6,079 there. With also ignoring Shield Gate, so you can take Warp IV for damage, or Incendiary IV for even more DoT.

 

Headshots:

Javelin: 16,853,

Kishock: 17,146

 

And that is with Geth bonus.

 

Forgot that the Kishock can be charged. But Warp IV only deals increased damage if the target has been biotically primed and how often will that occur? I´d say go with Inc IV and reload hide through PM for a juicy FE. Just my 2c though :)


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I hate both the Kishock and the Javelin. :P Waste of time. Valiant and the Widow are the best snipers. Everything else is basically useless imo.



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Pffft, penguins! :P


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