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[Tarot Redhand]

I have now finished transferring all my old vault stuff to the VPP (aka The New Vault). This has caused a slight problem and a bit of an embarrasment to me  You see as this is all new content as far as the VPP is concerned it looks like I am almost the only contributer to the site. This where the custom content creators on here can help by doing the same thing as me and manually transferring their stuff too.

So why (apart from easing my embarrasment) should you want to? Well for one you get to be on the front page again with stuff that is not necessarily all new and sparkly. The second reason is to jump before you are pushed. The third is that it gives you the opportunity to re-design your presentation and/or the content that you want to be downloaded together. The fourth reason is that the way that the VPP is organised into project pages allows you to group multiple related uploads onto a single page without upsetting the votes you've already aquired on the old vault. The fifth reason is that the VPP allows you to specify a list of keywords to be used when people are searching for your project.

So what are the downsides? Well like all sites where you can upload content you need to be registered with the site to do so. This is not a real problem and is relatively painless. The site is still under development. While this is true, it is fully working as far as the up and download of files is concerned. The things that are being worked on are more cosmetic than functional (as far as I can see). Also if you are worried about putting your content on more than one site, remember that the old vault will close, we just don't know when.

Are you worried about the actual transfer? All the up and downloading this entails. Don't be. The VPP has a nifty trick whereby you can get it to fetch your pictures and files from the old vault (or anywhere else on the web you have them stored) for you. For each item there will be a link that says Remote URL. Click the link, give it the url of the item (not the web page) to be transferred and press the transfer button. The VPP will then fetch your file for you.

So please start uploading stuff. While it can't hurt those who like to self-promote it can ease my little problem (aka the TR Front Page Show )

TR

[Rolo Kipp]

<raising a glass...>

There are a couple other not so obvious considerations: first, while I *am* working on migrating the content from the old Vault, it is not a quick process. And, as it will be done by code, there are bound to be snafus :-P Migrating your own stuff by hand gives the highest quality result :-)

Secondly, namespace, like realestate, can be very important. Reserve *your* handle before some yahoo moves in on it and squats. While V1 is still up I can verify accounts and make sure this gets corrected. Once V1 goes down, it's first come, first named.

As Metallica says - Sad But True.

P.s. Actually, I'm not doing much cosmetic work at the moment unless it *really* irks me. I'm working on the two biggest and most promising aspects of the VPP: the migration of content and integration with Pain's NeverLauncher & file storage system.

<...and searching the horizon>

[_six]

My eyes hurt.

[MerricksDad]

If I had more time for you, I'd jump on the CSS in a heartbeat. However, I'm finding it hard to even get some simple hobgoblin stuff done. I will be having my wisdom teeth out in a few weeks, and will have a bit of near-mandatory down time.

If you need any javascript libraries, or css tips, just give a hollar. My javascript libraries, while not complete, are completely open to the public.

Any of the functions provided in this library can easily be pulled out and used elsewhere, or just be used as is. http://userscripts.o...s/review/123889

Modifié par MerricksDad, 20 mai 2013 - 08:27 .

[henesua]

MerricksDad, I'll keep the css/javascript seat warm for you until you show up.

[Lord Sullivan]

_six wrote...

My eyes hurt.

^^  Likewise +1

[Tarot Redhand]

 To complain (nanny software removed the female dog word here, huh!) can be cathartic they say. So all those who do not like the current graphics scheme on the new vault please take a look here and have your say. If you don't then you could end up with something even worse in your eyes:devil:.

TR

Modifié par Tarot Redhand, 22 mai 2013 - 11:11 .

[KlatchainCoffee]

I always thought the current 'look' was temporary, because Rolo was too busy dealing with everything else. I didn't think it would turn out to be quite so big a discouragement, however.

*hobbles over to see if anything can be done to help*

[Rolo Kipp]

<paying his respects...>

The current look (theme) *is* temporary, though it points in the direction I want to go. In Drupal, the theming layer is independent of the content.

In fact, on my list of things to do is an optional mobile theme to make things easier on my tiny phone :-)

I think I'll enable a few basic themes (and maybe a crazy, psychodelic one to show how bad things can get) and let users check them out, but ideally we'll customize the one I've started until people stop bleeding out their eyes ;-)

<...to the Courts of Chaos>

[Rolo Kipp]

<laying out...>

I've enabled a few different themes (skins) including a couple "mobile" themes. None of them have the blocks of content moved to the right spot except the default Zen Vault, but you can get an idea of the look, anyway. Try them out :-)

(You have to be logged in to see the theme switch widget... It has to know who to save the preference for...)

<...some wares of questionable source>

[rogueknight333]

Aside from reserving one's community name before some doppelganger seizes it, is there some urgent necessity to upload one's content right now? As I understand it, the plan is to migrate most everything currently on the old vault. I presume that means that those of us with content there now will see it migrated along with the rest. If I upload something now, and it then also gets uploaded in the great migration, will that result in duplicate entries, or is there a plan to deal with that? Will it be impossible to edit/update migrated content, so that one needs to re-upload so as to be able to do that? If one's content includes links to hakpaks, reviews, etc. I assume that at least for the moment one can only link to the entries on the old vault?

Apologies if these are ignorant and foolish questions. I have only comparatively recently become aware of the impending doom  descending upon the old vault and am still learning about the alternatives.

[NWN_baba yaga]

the vault is definetely slow as hell and searching trough the old gems anymore with joy is gone for me. It´takes to long to build up a simple site of 10 entries and and and...and no fun! So your projects are really appreciated guys

[_six]

For me, the 'Bartik' theme looks clean, well laid out and probably a good base to customize from. With my (non-widescreen) resolution and Chrome at least, the other alternatives result in a varyingly random and unusable layout.

I don't know how much is in your power to do, but I'd really appreciate the ability to sort tables by column.

Modifié par _six, 22 mai 2013 - 08:31 .

[Rolo Kipp]

<straddling...>

@ BY: I appreciate all the strokes we can get :-) And we all want it to be fun again :-)

@ RK 333: (damn you initials! ;-) there are several considerations to weigh, but most of them come under the heading of "migrating by hand is the highest quality, but there is no way to migrate 40k projects by hand!"
1) I am archiving updates to the OV every Sunday, so I *may* have the newest stuff, depending on when OV goes dark.
2) I am coding the migrate modules to look before it leaps: if the project already exists and the existing *files* are the same age or newer, it will not migrate files. If the "updated" date on V2 is the same age or newer than the "updated" date I've archived, it will not migrate the project.
2b) the scraper is currently not saving comments beyond the first page. I'm stressing about that. There are some other things that I haven't figured how to migrate yet, but if it's displayed on the OV, it's archived for when I figure it out. :-P
3) if the migrate module finds a user that matches the author, it will make that user the owner. A very big reason to register! If it does not find that author, it will assign ownership to "Migrate wizard" and I can fix it later... When I have time :-P
4) Every bit helps. We are also integrating NeverLauncher and the vault file API into the VPP and the more cases we can verify, the better the integration.
5) links. Currently, (because I can do migrations in passes) ill be migrating the links as is (pointing to OV pages). At a later date, I'll run through everything and try to redirect them to V2 pages that map to OV pages. What it can't figure out will go in a ToDo list to be hand translated.
6) Valid concerns are never ignorant or silly :-)
7) in the end, for me at least, it's all about preserving the fantastic stuff and making things fun again ;-)

If you can, in fact, I'd recommend posting *all* new content on V2, and migrating your own content as you can.

Every bit helps. Seriously.

<...a widening rift>

[Rolo Kipp]

<laying his...>

If the table is generated in a view (most are), I can enable sorting by column.
Which table caught your eye?

<...cards on a table>

[_six]

It'd probably be useful for any tables, really. The actual content is where its going to be most important I feel.

[Rolo Kipp]

<offering a slice...>

If you go to the NwN1 Catalog you'll see that the generated table of projects (whatever filter you use to fine tune the selection) is sortable by the "updated" date (default sort) or "Title". Click to sort, click again to reverse the order.

That the kind of thing you mean?

<...of ferinstance>

[_six]

Yeah. Original date and author would be neat to add too. My other general observation there is that the font size is very large, and the sequential tables for different content types I can see being frustrating compared to either having seperate pages, or a "content type" field on the table itself for hak/modules etcs

[Rolo Kipp]

<nodding...>

Those are actually related as the large font takes up so much realestate :-P
Adding those columns is easily doable.
I have *planned* child menus for each of the categories off the catalog->NwN1/2-> menu, just haven't got to it. Until then, it's trivial to use the filter to show whatever subset you want (modules & hakpaks, with the CCC tag, ferinstance :-)

Alternately, I could put the primary categories as tabs rather than child menus.
*cough*
Umm, perhaps we could move the fine details to the developers forum :-)

Please do keep the suggestions/concerns coming, though!

<...and off again>

[OldTimeRadio]

Rolo Kipp wrote...
1) I am archiving updates to the OV every Sunday, so I *may* have the newest stuff, depending on when OV goes dark.

I wrote to someone very high up in IGN, asking what as going to happen with the Vault after IGN's sale and Maximus taking the position at Blizzard. 

Amazingly, I received a response. 

Their response was short but they indicated that a decision was made about a year ago to stop actively updating the sites that were built on "code bases" and services they nolonger supported but that they will keep the sites alive as archives and have no plans whatsoever to delete the data anytime soon.  That answer specifically included the Vault sites.

A number of years ago I asked Maximus if it was okay if I used content from other Vaults/IGN sites for modding in NWN and he said it was.  So I became pretty familiar with what modding content IGN had to offer.  During that exploration I noticed that not just are the Vault Network sites set up on the same software (what I read as the "code base") as the Neverwinter Vault, but the Planet sites I checked are, too.  Like Planet Battlefield, Planet Grand Theft Auto and so on.  And they're all still serving their files still.

Over the years various site maintainers have moved on or drifted away and the sites had remained up, but a lot of them did split over the course of last year.  That seems to jive with the reponse I recieved from IGN. 

My takeaway from the response and my own knowledge of what exists out there is that the Vault and those sites are intended, anyway, to be up for quite a while to come and not expected to unceremoniously go dark.

(crosses fingers)

[painofdungeoneternal]

I would be very leery of an unmanaged site, without any code updates, that tends to not go as planned, but welcome it staying up as long as possible of course.

Eventually it's going to become an emergency issue due to some new security issue, some new exploit, or just get filled up with spammers or they find out it's been compromised in some manner like what happened on the old bioboards - of course this assumes they are even monitoring it.

Regardless, I am again syncing the vault itself, getting the checksums of all the files and verifying we already have an exact copy thereof stored somewhere, and integrating the previous scrapers work into a standard system, and should be able to keep anything updated on the vault synced. If it stays up, i can focus on making it more of a syncing issue, and make it easier for authors to upload their latest changes to the vault/vpp/nexus - and get any uploads to the vpp also showing up on the vault proper and vice versa. If it fails, well we will have extra copies of the given files on our own backup vault.

Regardless what is being done is going to benefit the community far more than just keeping the old vault chugging along. I really think it's not a good idea to be too dependent on News Corp or Ziff Davis, the vault is after all the sum of all our collective work in this community, and in the end we as a community should be in control of it.