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[Ymladdych]

I love Anderson's "Bio Notes" in "Citadel," especially when he talks about getting his ass handed to him as a young N7. He caps it off with something like, "There's always someone stronger, faster, and smarter just around the corner. Remembering this will keep you alive."

Ultimately, it's not about HOW YOU WIN, but rather HOW YOU KEEP FROM LOSING. <- This seems like Shepard's true specialty. That's how I see it, anyway.
So in my mind, Thane is absolutely better than Shepard in CQC...that doesn't mean he'd win. 

Modifié par Ymladdych, 21 mai 2013 - 09:05 .

[KaiserShep]

Shepard's strength has always been his/her squad. They made this abundantly clear in the suicide mission.

[PsyrenY]

David7204 wrote...

Thane being better at CQC is fine, although it would be nice to have the dossier focus on that. Being better than everyone else on the team at CQC, stealth, biotics, acrobatics, and marksmanship is not fine at all.

He's not better at biotics or marksmanship. None of the videos show off his sniping, and we know he fails as the biotic specialist. And while he is stealthy, Kasumi has him beat there too.

You are just inventing now.

[Ravensword]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It's the truth. Thinking on your feet is better than repetition. Even repetition from Age 8.

And Thane clearly is capable of thinking on his feet. Again, see the video.

That's exactly the problem. Thane shouldn't be able to do such things.

Why not? He's been trained from Age 8, and has been a Master Assassin his entire life, with who knows how many kills and professional hits he's accomplished.

Because he can't be better than Shepard? That's ridiculous.

One thing you must know about David is that in his mind no one can be better than Shepard. Not one damn person in the galaxy. Shepard is the smartest, fastest, and strongest person in the galaxy. W/ that in mind, you would do well not to blaspheme against Jesus Shepard-Christ.

[Jadebaby]

It wont, with the trilogy now over, there's no reason to allow all the obsession over fictional characters any longer, they only did it in the first place to look like nice people and promote "love" for these characters. Now that the story is over and any future of these characters impossible.. Why keep them open?

[Falaxe]

David7204 wrote...

Let's call it 'improvisation training vs. repetition training.'

'Rocky' training vs. 'other guy' training.

Movie training vs. Real training

Ask any of the champions did they achieve anything with this... this... 'Rocky' training.

[Morlath]

David7204 wrote...

Thane being better at CQC is fine, although it would be nice to have the dossier focus on that. Being better than everyone else on the team at CQC, stealth, biotics, acrobatics, and marksmanship is not fine at all.

Shadow Broker DLC spells out his training and ideal CQC killing blows for a good number of species.

Stealth - Obvious.
Biotics - Can't hit what you can't find.
Acrobatics - Obvious.
Markmanship - Probably only Garrus comes close.

[Ledgend1221]

Morlath wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It's the truth. Thinking on your feet is better than repetition. Even repetition from Age 8.

And Thane clearly is capable of thinking on his feet. Again, see the video.

That's exactly the problem. Thane shouldn't be able to do such things.

Thane - Assassin trained since he was 8, been killing since he was 11.
Shepard - N7 grunt with combat experience and maybe biotics.

No contest.

And how many of Thane's hits were even aware of him?
How many by sniper rifle?
Kill count doesn't say much.

Also an "N7 grunt". That's like saying a Seal team 6 grunt.

Shepard is a decorated war hero. He has years of battlefield experience and has no doubt been highly trained in CQB.
Not to mention he also has cybernetic upgrades.

The best techniques are passed on by the surviviors and Shepard has learned from the best.

[Morlath]

Optimystic_X wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Thane being better at CQC is fine, although it would be nice to have the dossier focus on that. Being better than everyone else on the team at CQC, stealth, biotics, acrobatics, and marksmanship is not fine at all.

He's not better at biotics or marksmanship. None of the videos show off his sniping, and we know he fails as the biotic specialist. And while he is stealthy, Kasumi has him beat there too.

You are just inventing now.

I'd argue Thane over Kasumi in acrobatics and stealth only because of Thane's longer experience and Kasumi cheats with her cloak. The entire concept of Thane's training is not needing technology to achieve what the body can already do.

[David7204]

Optimystic_X wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Thane being better at CQC is fine, although it would be nice to have the dossier focus on that. Being better than everyone else on the team at CQC, stealth, biotics, acrobatics, and marksmanship is not fine at all.

He's not better at biotics or marksmanship. None of the videos show off his sniping, and we know he fails as the biotic specialist. And while he is stealthy, Kasumi has him beat there too.

You are just inventing now.

There's a video on the Shadow Broker terminal of him fading into the shadows to surprise a merc, and then immeidately turning around and shooting the camera from a fair distance without pausing to aim. Kasumi seems to rely on her cloak.

[Jadebaby]

I'm astounded... In the very thread asking for the character and romance forums to be unlocked again we have versus arguments about character's abilities...

This is exactly the reason why the forum was locked in the first place. Two different groups saw Miri in a diff way and that caused a revolt of the main miri thread.

[Jadebaby]

David7204 wrote...

Let's call it 'improvisation training vs. repetition training.'

'Rocky' training vs. 'other guy' training.

Wait, didn't Rocky lose in the first movie?

[Morlath]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

And how many of Thane's hits were even aware of him?
How many by sniper rifle?
Kill count doesn't say much.

Also an "N7 grunt". That's like saying a Seal team 6 grunt.

Shepard is a decorated war hero. He has years of battlefield experience and has no doubt been highly trained in CQB.
Not to mention he also has cybernetic upgrades.

The best techniques are passed on by the surviviors and Shepard has learned from the best.

Fair point about the grunt comment. My old man was a marine and I've got a few SF people in the family so that was a bit disrespectful on my part.

However Thane is trained to handle both long range and CQC killing. Not combat survival, not disarming or disabling the enemy but his body is conditioned to take down and kill the target in any way possible. That's specific training rather than the more broader range stuff Shepard would have gone through.

[David7204]

I dunno. I've never seen them. But I do there's a very big focus on Rocky's more 'down-to-Earth' training and the other guy's much more clinical, scientific training.

[David7204]

Morlath wrote...

Fair point about the grunt comment. My old man was a marine and I've got a few SF people in the family so that was a bit disrespectful on my part.

However Thane is trained to handle both long range and CQC killing. Not combat survival, not disarming or disabling the enemy but his body is conditioned to take down and kill the target in any way possible. That's specific training rather than the more broader range stuff Shepard would have gone through.

Does that include training against a weapon (sword) that nobody uses in combat?

Modifié par David7204, 21 mai 2013 - 09:17 .

[Kataphrut94]

True. I'd have brought it back for the Citadel DLC, since there's really no better place to discuss half the content for that game.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Ravensword wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It's the truth. Thinking on your feet is better than repetition. Even repetition from Age 8.

And Thane clearly is capable of thinking on his feet. Again, see the video.

That's exactly the problem. Thane shouldn't be able to do such things.

Why not? He's been trained from Age 8, and has been a Master Assassin his entire life, with who knows how many kills and professional hits he's accomplished.

Because he can't be better than Shepard? That's ridiculous.

One thing you must know about David is that in his mind no one can be better than Shepard. Not one damn person in the galaxy. Shepard is the smartest, fastest, and strongest person in the galaxy. W/ that in mind, you would do well not to blaspheme against Jesus Shepard-Christ.

I know. I've called him out on that before as well in past threads.

[themikefest]

Its funny when Thane shoots at Kai Leng without moving but after knocking Kai Leng to the ground he fires his weapon while moving towards Kai Leng. He didn't have to move at all. Just shoot at Kai Leng

Its the same with femshep who fires her weapon at the tube while moving forward. She didn't have to do that.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

I dunno. I've never seen them. But I do there's a very big focus on Rocky's more 'down-to-Earth' training and the other guy's much more clinical, scientific training.

That's just romanticism from media.

"Always cheer for the homegrown underdog!"

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Ravensword wrote...

One thing you must know about David is that in his mind no one can be better than Shepard. Not one damn person in the galaxy. Shepard is the smartest, fastest, and strongest person in the galaxy. W/ that in mind, you would do well not to blaspheme against Jesus Shepard-Christ.

To be fair, by ME2 Shepard is a freaking super soldier.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 21 mai 2013 - 09:19 .

[Jadebaby]

David7204 wrote...

I dunno. I've never seen them. But I do there's a very big focus on Rocky's more 'down-to-Earth' training and the other guy's much more clinical, scientific training.

the answer is yes. Rocky did lose. I see where you're going but I dont really know the comparison you're trying to make.

[Falaxe]

Jadebaby wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I dunno. I've never seen them. But I do there's a very big focus on Rocky's more 'down-to-Earth' training and the other guy's much more clinical, scientific training.

the answer is yes. Rocky did lose. I see where you're going but I dont really know the comparison you're trying to make.

Wich I already stated at him. In case you havent noticed, this guy is trollin. I will now on just sit back and watch how he makes another senseless argument and you try to argue back. 

Modifié par Falaxe, 21 mai 2013 - 09:27 .

[dreamgazer]

Y'know, the ME1 and ME2 Character Forum is still open.

http://social.biowar...egory/128/index

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

I dunno. I've never seen them. But I do there's a very big focus on Rocky's more 'down-to-Earth' training and the other guy's much more clinical, scientific training.

Please watch the movies that you're referencing, David. 

[Ledgend1221]

Morlath wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

And how many of Thane's hits were even aware of him?
How many by sniper rifle?
Kill count doesn't say much.

Also an "N7 grunt". That's like saying a Seal team 6 grunt.

Shepard is a decorated war hero. He has years of battlefield experience and has no doubt been highly trained in CQB.
Not to mention he also has cybernetic upgrades.

The best techniques are passed on by the surviviors and Shepard has learned from the best.

Fair point about the grunt comment. My old man was a marine and I've got a few SF people in the family so that was a bit disrespectful on my part.

However Thane is trained to handle both long range and CQC killing. Not combat survival, not disarming or disabling the enemy but his body is conditioned to take down and kill the target in any way possible. That's specific training rather than the more broader range stuff Shepard would have gone through.

What I think the main problem is that Bioware wrote Shepard as a character, not a soldier.
There are many times when he should easily be able to gain the advantage in situations or not get his ass handed to him in stupid ways.

Just compare Shepard to Big boss in MGS3.
Big boss was written as a soldier, it shows at multiple points in the game.
Bioware ignored or failed to write Shepard like this, leading him to appear much more unskilled then he should be.

I mean just look how close he gets held up by an old woman in Arrival. That's just not a realistic portrayl of a Veteran special forces soldier.