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[Creator Limbs]

Meh, Piranha was never really impressive to begin with, but is even less so now. I'm coming up on Earth Mastery again and I have about 40000 points to get with the thing and I am dreading it.

[Cyonan]

Cirvante wrote...

Piranha is still good on GI/GE/GT/Destroyer/TSol/QM. I don't use it anymore because there is very little aiming involved, just like the lolreegar. Once you put a Claymore/Wraith on those classes and start popping heads you'll never want to go back to the Piranha.

Says gun with pinpoint spread with Marksman with high recoil requires no aim, instead uses gun with pinpoint spread with Marksman with almost no recoil.

Seems legit.

[ryoldschool]

At the time piranha came out I was not reload cancelling, so I switched to the piranha instead of the claymore. Why the piranha got nerfed but not he claymore it makes you wonder. I seem to remember that their output was similar but claymore had more range, less exposure to do its damage.

[Cyonan]

ryoldschool wrote...

At the time piranha came out I was not reload cancelling, so I switched to the piranha instead of the claymore. Why the piranha got nerfed but not he claymore it makes you wonder. I seem to remember that their output was similar but claymore had more range, less exposure to do its damage.

The Claymore also weighs as much as a Krogan.

[Beerfish]

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

A game last night suddenly put doubt in my mind re the pirahana. It's been my go to shotgun for a while now and if I can get up close and wail away with my asari guard or edibot it works really well. However last night I had to forced solo a wave with multiple banshees and other critters. I was still fine vs the other critters but I had a horrible time (and eventually failed) against the last two banshees. I simply could not hit them enough and put out enough damage to take them down.

You shouldn`t have problem against Banshee as long as you had smart choke on.
Also.. Stability bonus helps Piranha a lot.

Banshee has small&curvy hit box.. but Smart choke accuracy bonus is usually more than enough though.
(Unless you try to stay out of her Nova range at any cost)

Stability eh?  Hmph never used that on the gun.  I am pretty sure I had smart choke.  I'll try the staiblity mod this evening.  Thanks for the tip.

[Xaijin]

ryoldschool wrote...

At the time piranha came out I was not reload cancelling, so I switched to the piranha instead of the claymore. Why the piranha got nerfed but not he claymore it makes you wonder. I seem to remember that their output was similar but claymore had more range, less exposure to do its damage.

The piranha got nerfed because Destroyers and GIs were destroying gold Atlii in three-four seconds with the right ammo and gear. Can't do that with a claymore, even with canceling.

[ryoldschool]

@cyonan - good point, that was a problem, I would have prefered they increased the weight for my purposes, but that was against the gun's design

[LeandroBraz]

It eat the enemies health extremely fast, and shoot fast. Yeah, better on close combat, as it should be with shotguns, but it still have good accuracy, better than a shotgun should have.

[OniGanon]

If the Pirahna does not impress you, then the only weapons in the entire freaking game with any hope of impressing you is the Reegar and the Raider.

Because in terms of raw DPS, that's where it sits. Right behind those two guns.

You're talking about the 3rd highest DPS weapon in the game.

Modifié par OniGanon, 21 mai 2013 - 06:02 .

[Miniditka77]

Only a handful of guns have better sustained or burst DPS than the Piranha, and most or all of them weigh more.   Yes, the Piranha wasn't actually OP on anything that didn't have Hunter Mode, Devastator Mode, or Marksman, but it was pretty OP on those kits.  It's still really good, actually.

[landylan]

Cyonan wrote...

I don't see the GI that often in pugs either, but that doesn't mean it's a bad character.

It's still one of the better weapons.

The pirahna was nerfed mainly because it was used too much. It's a stupid way to balance the game, and now the gun is never used.

[OniGanon]

It's never used because the Reegar exists.

The Pirahna is, essentially, the Reegar Lite. With 40% less cheese.

Of course, you can't ever snipe with a Reegar, but Marksman lets you do that with a Pirahna. So why there aren't more Pirahna TSols, I've no idea.

Modifié par OniGanon, 21 mai 2013 - 06:10 .

[Cirvante]

Cyonan wrote...

Cirvante wrote...

Piranha is still good on GI/GE/GT/Destroyer/TSol/QM. I don't use it anymore because there is very little aiming involved, just like the lolreegar. Once you put a Claymore/Wraith on those classes and start popping heads you'll never want to go back to the Piranha.

Says gun with pinpoint spread with Marksman with high recoil requires no aim, instead uses gun with pinpoint spread with Marksman with almost no recoil.

Seems legit.

Piranha recoil is very forgiving on the TSol. And it's not pinpoint at long distances, whereas Claymore/Wraith practically become scopeless sniper rifles with accuracy-specced marksman.

[Grun7mas7er]

Still good, but nerfed to match its gold-card status. Should have been an UR though. Acolyte should have been UR too in all honesty.

[ComradeShepard7]

Cirvante wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Cirvante wrote...

Piranha is still good on GI/GE/GT/Destroyer/TSol/QM. I don't use it anymore because there is very little aiming involved, just like the lolreegar. Once you put a Claymore/Wraith on those classes and start popping heads you'll never want to go back to the Piranha.

Says gun with pinpoint spread with Marksman with high recoil requires no aim, instead uses gun with pinpoint spread with Marksman with almost no recoil.

Seems legit.

Piranha recoil is very forgiving on the TSol. And it's not pinpoint at long distances, whereas Claymore/Wraith practically become scopeless sniper rifles with accuracy-specced marksman.

Put a smart choke on the Piranha with an accuracy build for Marksman on the TSol and the spread is about the size of an assault trooper's head at any range. If you have issues with the recoil, put on a stability mod III and you can fire it full auto without any muzzle climb.

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

landylan wrote...

 It was just the popular thing at the time. Everyone else was using destroyers and pirahna, so the pugs did it. 

It's so inaccurate and has too much recoil. 

Pugs still use destroyers, but I don't see the pirahna very often anymore. It's sad.

you can blame all the nerfs to a single common denominator, buttbadhurt devastated baddies on the forums complaining about OP this and that

-nerfs in a co-op game
-nerfs to a wep that everyone can use and make everyone just as op as you

[Cyonan]

Cirvante wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Cirvante wrote...

Piranha is still good on GI/GE/GT/Destroyer/TSol/QM. I don't use it anymore because there is very little aiming involved, just like the lolreegar. Once you put a Claymore/Wraith on those classes and start popping heads you'll never want to go back to the Piranha.

Says gun with pinpoint spread with Marksman with high recoil requires no aim, instead uses gun with pinpoint spread with Marksman with almost no recoil.

Seems legit.

Piranha recoil is very forgiving on the TSol. And it's not pinpoint at long distances, whereas Claymore/Wraith practically become scopeless sniper rifles with accuracy-specced marksman.

With the Smart Choke it might as well be.

The thing is that you specifically say you don't use the Piranha because "there is very little aiming involved" and yet you use guns that are easier to aim with Marksman than the Piranha is.

Again, seems legit =P

[Schachmatt123]

Six shots instead of eight shots ruined the weapon for me. It just doesn't feel right anymore. They should have nerfed the damage instead to match the current DPS.

[megawug]

Off-host, Piranha is still one of the best weapons. On-host, there are better headshot weapons to choose from.

[landylan]

OniGanon wrote...

If the Pirahna does not impress you, then the only weapons in the entire freaking game with any hope of impressing you is the Reegar and the Raider.

Because in terms of raw DPS, that's where it sits. Right behind those two guns.

You're talking about the 3rd highest DPS weapon in the game.

Raider has some of the highest dps? Half the pellets from the raider and pirahna aren't going to even land right on target.

The hurricane, harrier, and PPR are far superior in terms of dps because they actually hit the target.

[Cyonan]

landylan wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

I don't see the GI that often in pugs either, but that doesn't mean it's a bad character.

It's still one of the better weapons.

The pirahna was nerfed mainly because it was used too much. It's a stupid way to balance the game, and now the gun is never used.

The reasons why it was nerfed and how much the gun is used has very little to do with it still being a good gun.

The Raider is used less overall than the Piranha.

Are you going to tell me that isn't an impressive gun either?

[landylan]

OniGanon wrote...

It's never used because the Reegar exists.

The Pirahna is, essentially, the Reegar Lite. With 40% less cheese.

Of course, you can't ever snipe with a Reegar, but Marksman lets you do that with a Pirahna. So why there aren't more Pirahna TSols, I've no idea.

There aren't pirahna tsols because hurricane tsols are better, and pugs don't have the right weapons, characters, or brains.

[Tybo]

OniGanon wrote...

If the Pirahna does not impress you, then the only weapons in the entire freaking game with any hope of impressing you is the Reegar and the Raider.

Because in terms of raw DPS, that's where it sits. Right behind those two guns.

You're talking about the 3rd highest DPS weapon in the game.

That's only true if you compare a piranha's "sustained" DPS to that of a hurricane, typhoon, or PPR.  And don't account for mod selection.  

In practice, a hurricane/typhoon/PPR will almost always be in its "burst" phase, since they can one clip bosses.  Thus, you should compare the "burst" DPS of these guns to the "sustained" DPS of the piranha, since the piranha clip is not large enough.

And against swarms of mooks, the piranha's inaccuracy makes its applied DPS lower than that of these other guns.  Missed pellets do no damage.

All that said, I do agree that the piranha is still very good.  I just really dislike comparing "sustained" DPS of guns with very different mag sizes, and comparisons of DPS without mods.

[landylan]

Cyonan wrote...

landylan wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

I don't see the GI that often in pugs either, but that doesn't mean it's a bad character.

It's still one of the better weapons.

The pirahna was nerfed mainly because it was used too much. It's a stupid way to balance the game, and now the gun is never used.

The reasons why it was nerfed and how much the gun is used has very little to do with it still being a good gun.

The Raider is used less overall than the Piranha.

Are you going to tell me that isn't an impressive gun either?

It's good, but it's not amazing by any means. Guns with more accuracy like the CSMG and even the hurricane are and lighter imo.

[Cirvante]

Cyonan wrote...

With the Smart Choke it might as well be.

The thing is that you specifically say you don't use the Piranha because "there is very little aiming involved" and yet you use guns that are easier to aim with Marksman than the Piranha is.

Again, seems legit =P

I might have worded it wrong. But I think the Piranha is much more forgiving than the Claymore for example. And I tend to use shotguns more with GI/GE/Destroyer, so my memory regarding the Piranha with 65% accuracy marksman might be a bit off.