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[Creator Limbs]

Slapping a crappy weapon on a TSol does not make the weapon good, it makes the character good. Argument invalid.

[Cyonan]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Slapping a crappy weapon on a TSol does not make the weapon good, it makes the character good. Argument invalid.

It's also good on:

Every Vanguard
Every Infiltrator
Turian Havoc
N7 Destroyer
Quarian Marksman
N7 Paladin
Geth Engineer
Geth Trooper

Basically, it does really well on kits with damage boost or gap closers.

Modifié par Cyonan, 21 mai 2013 - 06:40 .

[Creator Limbs]

Cyonan wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Slapping a crappy weapon on a TSol does not make the weapon good, it makes the character good. Argument invalid.

It's also good on:

Every Vanguard
Every Infiltrator
Turian Havoc
N7 Destroyer
Quarian Marksman
N7 Paladin
Geth Engineer
Geth Trooper

Basically, it does really well on kits with damage boost or gap closers.

At this point I'm not only referring to the Pirahna, which isn't the 'crappy' weapon in question. I can't make it work for me, but whatever.

Just pointing out that every time someone mentions not liking a gun that this forum largely sees as da best, someone always says "Put it on a Turian Soldier, kill things, and laugh"

[Original Twigman]

landylan wrote...

OniGanon wrote...

It's never used because the Reegar exists.

The Pirahna is, essentially, the Reegar Lite. With 40% less cheese.

Of course, you can't ever snipe with a Reegar, but Marksman lets you do that with a Pirahna. So why there aren't more Pirahna TSols, I've no idea.

There aren't pirahna tsols because hurricane tsols are better, and pugs don't have the right weapons, characters, or brains.

Brains are overrated

[BattleCop88]

For me, it's because if the enemy isn't dead after 6 shots I'm screwed. Pre-nerf it was at least reliable on casters. Stupid nerf.

[Cyonan]

prostheticlimbs wrote...
At this point I'm not only referring to the Pirahna, which isn't the 'crappy' weapon in question. I can't make it work for me, but whatever.

Just pointing out that every time someone mentions not liking a gun that this forum largely sees as da best, someone always says "Put it on a Turian Soldier, kill things, and laugh"

Most of the time the TSol is just the best kit for it, because TSol.

As I pointed out with the Piranha, there's usually a pretty good sized list for the kits it does well on.

Not caring for a weapon is fine, but it doesn't make it "crappy" =P

Modifié par Cyonan, 21 mai 2013 - 06:45 .

[Creator Limbs]

Cyonan wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...
At this point I'm not only referring to the Pirahna, which isn't the 'crappy' weapon in question. I can't make it work for me, but whatever.

Just pointing out that every time someone mentions not liking a gun that this forum largely sees as da best, someone always says "Put it on a Turian Soldier, kill things, and laugh"

Most of the time the TSol is just the best kit for it, because TSol.

As I pointed out with the Piranha, there's usually a pretty good sized list for the kits it does well on.

Not caring for a weapon is fine, but it doesn't make it "crappy" =P

I can agree with this :happy:

Modifié par prostheticlimbs, 21 mai 2013 - 06:48 .

[chcknwng]

Cirvante wrote...

Piranha is still good on GI/GE/GT/Destroyer/TSol/QM. I don't use it anymore because there is very little aiming involved, just like the lolreegar. Once you put a Claymore/Wraith on those classes and start popping heads you'll never want to go back to the Piranha.

this. Whenever you can use a Piranha a Talon would work at least as good. Also you can put a power mod on Talon.

I don't like GI Piranha that much. It's all about Talon when you can OSK with that monster.

[chcknwng]

Cyonan wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...
At this point I'm not only referring to the Pirahna, which isn't the 'crappy' weapon in question. I can't make it work for me, but whatever.

Just pointing out that every time someone mentions not liking a gun that this forum largely sees as da best, someone always says "Put it on a Turian Soldier, kill things, and laugh"

Most of the time the TSol is just the best kit for it, because TSol.

As I pointed out with the Piranha, there's usually a pretty good sized list for the kits it does well on.

Not caring for a weapon is fine, but it doesn't make it "crappy" =P

im gonna say QMS works just as we'll.

[BattleCop88]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

At this point I'm not only referring to the Pirahna, which isn't the 'crappy' weapon in question. I can't make it work for me, but whatever.

Just pointing out that every time someone mentions not liking a gun that this forum largely sees as da best, someone always says "Put it on a Turian Soldier, kill things, and laugh"

I like this human, he understands.

[Cirvante]

Cyonan wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...
At this point I'm not only referring to the Pirahna, which isn't the 'crappy' weapon in question. I can't make it work for me, but whatever.

Just pointing out that every time someone mentions not liking a gun that this forum largely sees as da best, someone always says "Put it on a Turian Soldier, kill things, and laugh"

Most of the time the TSol is just the best kit for it, because TSol.

As I pointed out with the Piranha, there's usually a pretty good sized list for the kits it does well on.

Not caring for a weapon is fine, but it doesn't make it "crappy" =P

If you're not using a kit that enhances your accuracy it is pretty much point at the enemy -> click -> unload clip at them -> reload -> rinse and repeat. Trying to headshot moving targets or quickly dragging your crosshairs over an enemies head and blowing it off with a Claymore/Wraith takes more skill imo.

Modifié par Cirvante, 21 mai 2013 - 06:53 .

[Zero132132]

I don't mind the 6 shots. It feels awkward, but it's a very good gun.

[RoZh2400]

You really think those 2 shots did that much difference? Its burst DPS is still pretty high, and reload time is quite short.

Also, recoil? L2P trolololol

[JediHarbinger]

RoZh2400 wrote...

You really think those 2 shots did that much difference? Its burst DPS is still pretty high, and reload time is quite short.

Also, recoil? L2P trolololol

yup, your da winner! 

[Placentypus]

BattleCop88 wrote...

For me, it's because if the enemy isn't dead after 6 shots I'm screwed. Pre-nerf it was at least reliable on casters. Stupid nerf.

... ?

I'd advise reload canceling, if thats what you mean - the Pirahna reload-cancel speed is mostly similar to the Raider and significantly faster than the Claymore.

Edit: Well. Faster. Maybe not significantly.

Modifié par Placentypus, 21 mai 2013 - 06:58 .

[Supreme Leech]

Really, really bad call to nerf the piranha. Same goes for all the other guns. I just don't understand the mentality behind these decisions. It's a real shame. R.I.P. piranha.

[Cirvante]

Placentypus wrote...

BattleCop88 wrote...

For me, it's because if the enemy isn't dead after 6 shots I'm screwed. Pre-nerf it was at least reliable on casters. Stupid nerf.

... ?

I'd advise reload canceling, if thats what you mean - the Pirahna reload-cancel speed is mostly similar to the Raider and significantly faster than the Claymore.

Edit: Well. Faster. Maybe not significantly.

Indeed. There is also this thing called cover (available in both soft and hard form).

[Cyonan]

Cirvante wrote...

If you're not using a kit that enhances your accuracy it is pretty much point at the enemy -> click -> unload clip at them -> reload -> rinse and repeat. Trying to headshot moving targets or quickly dragging your crosshairs over an enemies head and blowing it off with a Claymore/Wraith takes more skill imo.

When talking about how good or not good a gun is, skill required has pretty much no relevance.

Also, the Wraith/Claymore are easy to use as well.

Mass Effect 3 in general doesn't take a large amount of skill.

[Cirvante]

Cyonan wrote...

Cirvante wrote...

If you're not using a kit that enhances your accuracy it is pretty much point at the enemy -> click -> unload clip at them -> reload -> rinse and repeat. Trying to headshot moving targets or quickly dragging your crosshairs over an enemies head and blowing it off with a Claymore/Wraith takes more skill imo.

When talking about how good or not good a gun is, skill required has pretty much no relevance.

Also, the Wraith/Claymore are easy to use as well.

Mass Effect 3 in general doesn't take a large amount of skill.

I have already acknowledged that the gun is good, I simply stated that other guns require more skill and are more satisfying to use imo.

[Cyonan]

Cirvante wrote...

I have already acknowledged that the gun is good, I simply stated that other guns require more skill and are more satisfying to use imo.

Then you shouldn't have replied to a post specifically about the gun being good even if somebody doesn't like it =P

I also simply stated that if you're going for guns that require skill, neither the Claymore nor the Wraith fall into that category imo.

I'd argue the Piranha actually takes more skill than either of them since you need to know how to survive in CQC with it, or else do little to no damage.

Modifié par Cyonan, 21 mai 2013 - 07:28 .

[Miniditka77]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

At this point I'm not only referring to the Pirahna, which isn't the 'crappy' weapon in question. I can't make it work for me, but whatever.

Just pointing out that every time someone mentions not liking a gun that this forum largely sees as da best, someone always says "Put it on a Turian Soldier, kill things, and laugh"

Yeah, but guns like the Piranha benefit more from the Turian Soldier's abilities than other guns.  Basically, you're right, the Turian Soldier will improve any gun.  For most weapons, the TSol makes them better because he increases the fire rate and damage and gets automatic reloads.  For the Piranha, Hurricane, etc., the TSol does those same things, but also fixes the things that might make the gun "crappy" - stability and accuracy issues.  So the TSol improves guns like the Piranha and the Hurricane more than he improves guns like the Harrier or Wraith.

[Cirvante]

Cyonan wrote...

Cirvante wrote...

I have already acknowledged that the gun is good, I simply stated that other guns require more skill and are more satisfying to use imo.

Then you shouldn't have replied to a post specifically about the gun being good even if somebody doesn't like it =P

I also simply stated that if you're going for guns that require skill, neither the Claymore nor the Wraith fall into that category imo.

I'd argue the Piranha actually takes more skill than either of them since you need to know how to survive in CQC with it, or else do little to no damage.

Give a scrub a Piranha and he'll do better with it than with a Claymore.

[Bleachrude]

Looks at Eric's list of weapons...

15 Most Used Weapons (All Difficulties)

1. Avenger Assault Rifle (5.29%)
2. Hurricane SMG (4.65%)
3. Harrier Assault Rifle (3.95%)
4. Eagle Pistol (3.16%)
5. Predator Pistol (3.13%)
6. Mantis Sniper Rifle (3.08%)
7. Reegar Shotgun (3.02%)
8. Phaeston Assault Rifle (2.76%)
9. Acolyte Pistol (2.71%)
10. Shuriken SMG (2.53%)
11. Locust SMG (2.47%)
12. Geth Pulse Rifle (2.39%)
13. Geth SMG (2.33%)
14. Phalanx Pistol (2.19%)
15. Mattock Assault Rifle (2.15%)

15 Most Used Weapons (Gold & Platinum Only)

1. Hurricane SMG (6.95%)
2. Harrier Assault Rifle (6.71%)
3. Acolyte Pistol (6.45%)
4. Reegar Shotgun (6.04%)
5. Piranha Shotgun (2.80%)
6. Geth Shotgun (2.62%)
7. Black Widow Sniper Rifle (2.62%)
8. Eagle Pistol (2.59%)
9. Geth SMG (2.46%)
10. Lancer Assault Rifle (2.33%)
11. Adas Assault Rifle (2.26%)
12. Talon Pistol (2.22%)
13. Wraith Shotgun (2.14%)
14. Collector SMG (2.01%)
15. Scorpion Pistol (1.88%)

Ok...pretty much anyone that says the piranha isn't good/used is smoking something. The shotgun isn't even on the top 15 weapon list overall but makes the jump all the way to number 5 when just gold/platinum are concerned?

[Cyonan]

Cirvante wrote...
Give a scrub a Piranha and he'll do better with it than with a Claymore.

Against trash mobs, the Claymore can body shot most of them from a decent distance while the Piranha does next to no damage or else requires CQC. Scrubs die a lot in CQC.

As for boss mobs, if anybody thinks that hitting an Atlas sized unit with a Wraith or Claymore takes any amount of skill, lol.