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SomniariKess1124

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I've read the Jacob Hate-Posts, and I still don't understand. Someone please explain this to me?

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Because he's a cheating smurf. Ungrateful bastard!

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Lol, well, that's one explanation. I've read that it's how female shepard talks to Jacob, but to my ears she sounds normal.

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I once found a character archetype on tvtropes that describes him perfectly, but I can't remember the name of it now. The upshot is that his whole purpose is obviously to show that some Cerberus people can be nice guys. And by trying steadfastly to make him decent and likeable, they stripped him of any personality traits people might dislike, and therefore left him dull as a wet Wednesday. He's dull, dull, dull. He is a relentless collage of grey in a game full of colourful, interesting characters.

He also needs to be romanced to open up a lot. After a certain point he simply stops talking to a male Shep, and femShep's paragon lines turn into 'creepy-hit-on' lines, much to the chargrin of the femShep players who hated their avatars suddenly and inexplicably going gooey over Captain Beige. (By the bye, Miranda suffered this only-opening-up-when-romanced issue as well, but it seems fewer people had a problem with their Sheps hitting on her. Go figure.)

He also has probably the dumbest personal mission. It makes no sense.

Also just having his personal power, Barrier, completely nerfs him in combat.

Also his bedroom scene is cheesy as Hell.

And anyone who actually managed to enjoy his ME2 romance will find themselves kicked in the teeth in ME3 when he finally develops some personality - and dumps you! Nice.

Poor Jacob. Life's not much fun for the Token Nice Guy.

He is, however, great in combat (as long as he doesn't have Barrier). It is a huge mistake to underestimate his potential in battle, especially in the early game.

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Ferretinabun wrote...

I once found a character archetype on tvtropes that describes him perfectly, but I can't remember the name of it now. The upshot is that his whole purpose is obviously to show that some Cerberus people can be nice guys. And by trying steadfastly to make him decent and likeable, they stripped him of any personality traits people might dislike, and therefore left him dull as a wet Wednesday. He's dull, dull, dull. He is a relentless collage of grey in a game full of colourful, interesting characters.

He also needs to be romanced to open up a lot. After a certain point he simply stops talking to a male Shep, and femShep's paragon lines turn into 'creepy-hit-on' lines, much to the chargrin of the femShep players who hated their avatars suddenly and inexplicably going gooey over Captain Beige. (By the bye, Miranda suffered this only-opening-up-when-romanced issue as well, but it seems fewer people had a problem with their Sheps hitting on her. Go figure.)

He also has probably the dumbest personal mission. It makes no sense.

Also just having his personal power, Barrier, completely nerfs him in combat.


Also his bedroom scene is cheesy as Hell.

And anyone who actually managed to enjoy his ME2 romance will find themselves kicked in the teeth in ME3 when he finally develops some personality - and dumps you! Nice.

Poor Jacob. Life's not much fun for the Token Nice Guy.

He is, however, great in combat (as long as he doesn't have Barrier). It is a huge mistake to underestimate his potential in battle, especially in the early game.


Yeah... I've heard (and later saw) what happens to him in ME3. Made me want to ask him "So Garrus manages to keep his manly bits to himself this entire time, and yet you can't even go a few months without having the overwhelming urge to bed a girl?"

I agree on the personal mission. I really didn't see the significance of it, compared to Tali's which is a hint towards a quarian-geth war, and Jack's which shows that she might be looking to get back at Cerberus, and Mordin's which revolves around the genophage. all of them kinda fit towards the future. Except for Jacob's.

I did notice how sexually-inclined Female shepard looks when she's talking to him, leaning against the table and all. That and around the second or third conversation she immediately wants to bed him. (Almost all my shepards are female, since I cannot stand male shepard's voice.)

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I think part of the problem is that Jacob talks to you, but tells you nothing. Mentions that he's was Alliance, but never really tells you why he left. Tells he was part of the Corsairs but never tells any stories about it. Never even tells you really how he joined Cerberus if my memory serves.

I think they tried to make him a more badass version of Kaidan, but took those complaints that Kaidan was whiny (a complaint I never understood) a little too much to heart and ended up making Jacob boring.

Also why the hell is Jacob a biotic? What earthly reason was there for that other than a three second tutorial about how to use biotics on Lazarus Station?

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I have to admit though, I liked Jacob in ME2. He wasn't some overblown superman character mumbojumbo supersoldier with stereotypical revenge backgrounds or the likes. Just a bogstandard, normal no-nonsense soldier. Of all the characters in ME2, he felt like the only sane one. Yes in comparision to the other characters he appears bland, but exactly that was what I liked.




Then I saw his romance and could never look at him again with the "priiize" darting through my head.




And THEN I played ME3 and I found out he was a cheating, ungrateful bastard. Y u doin this BioWare writers?

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Jacob's biotic powers are out of place, that I will agree on. In my opinion, that should have been saved for Miranda on freedom's progress when she was yelling "Use overload on them!".

the "priiizzzeeee" is the reason why I never take Jacob anywhere anymore. That and his comment on Omega about how Omega is run. On those terms, I agree with Miranda. Omega has worked that way for a long time, and any hero that tries to change that ends up like Garrus.

Honestly, I never had a problem with Kaidan. I would have been happy-go-lucky for the rest of the game if you could persuade Kaidan to join up with you. But Jacob? It feels like he was just there, with no real benefit, aside from to give you the armor, but even Samara could have pointed out that problem.

Barrier vs Geth shields vs Fortification? I think the last two in that list outstrip Barrier to where it has little to no chance as a shield boost.

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SomniariKess1124 wrote...
Honestly, I never had a problem with Kaidan. I would have been happy-go-lucky for the rest of the game if you could persuade Kaidan to join up with you.


I know. Didn't seem quite right facing the Collectors without Kaidan.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 24 mai 2013 - 02:14 .


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Exile Isan wrote...

SomniariKess1124 wrote...
Honestly, I never had a problem with Kaidan. I would have been happy-go-lucky for the rest of the game if you could persuade Kaidan to join up with you.


I know. Didn't seem quite right facing the Collectors without Kaidan.


I know, right? I mean, if you're going to die, might as well die with people you've already had a ton of near-death situations with. Garrus and Tali were great, but it still doesn't feel complete. it's like a rare coin collection. If you're gonna have one, you may as well have the complete set.

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