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[TheBlackBaron]

Eternal Napalm wrote...
 I will never, ever, ever touch the Xbox One, and I never want to see one in person, either, less its camera record me. 
 

My advice to you is to never go out in public, lest somebody with a phone be recording or watching you. <_<

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 25 mai 2013 - 07:43 .

[Dova]

I've never really liked Sony so I was always a xbox gamer because of the 360 because of it's awesomeness.
But PC is sounding hella good right now.
But if I had to pick which system, I'm leaning towards the PS4 because of the rumors I'm hearing of the Xbox One. But not all rumors are true, so. I'm waiting until they both come out and then I can go into my gaming depth of my brain too think about the systems.
Although I still love my xbox slim tho ;__;

[MissOuJ]

Skelter192 wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...
True, but PC gaming lacks one thing that the consoles have: user-friendliness.

I've gamed both on consoles and the PC, and the fact is that by gaming on the PS3 I haven't had any compatibility issues, no "programme encountered an unspecified error" -messages, no mysteriously vanishing saves, and no need to pay several hundred euros for new graphics card or other upgrades.

I had my PS3 and 360 die on me due to the YLOD and RROD. I STILL have an HD 5770 which is by no means expensive and I bought it 3 years ago. It can run games like Witcher 2, Skyrim and Battlefield just fine at 1920x1200 res. People who say that you someone has to spend hundreds of dollars/euros for a GPU has no idea what the hell they are talking about and should not even bring it up.

So people with no technical expertise should not be PC gamers / even talk about PC gaming? This kinda remids me of that Zero Punctuation video where Yahtzee was browsing gaming forums about a game he was doing a review on and saw a comment that said something along the lines of "if you don't know how to mod ini-files, you have no business being a PC gamer".

Also if you have the money to invest to a good gaming PC from the get-go, or you have the technical expertise and time to build your own rig, or course it's gonna last -- and even be reasonably cheap to update. If you don't, PC gaming is a lot harder and more expensive than console gaming. No matter what kind of PS3 I buy, I can be 100 % sure it can run PS3 games -- same can't be said about PC's. Also, hardware failures aren't unique to consoles, and PC's can get bricked as well.

You have to admit that getting the most out of console gaming is a lot easier than getting the most out of PC gaming, particularly if you are technologically illiterate. Some people choose consoles because they're more accessible to them and easier to use -- that doesn't mean they're "gaming wrong" or "worse" or whatever. They're prioritizing these qualities over graphical excellency, modding and superior performance.

[cJohnOne]

Microsoft wants to take over the living room but what about people who are in a small bedroom and who don't have cable.

[Eternal Napalm]

cJohnOne wrote...

Get Magna Carter wrote...

whatever lets me play single-player offline games without EVER connecting to the internet

I hope they do that but it seems like they want to have an internet connection to verify your game at least once.

Well it looks as if its PS4 or Wii U. Another customer not getting Xbox One.

[Dova]

cJohnOne wrote...

Get Magna Carter wrote...

whatever lets me play single-player offline games without EVER connecting to the internet

I hope they do that but it seems like they want to have an internet connection to verify your game at least once.

ahahaha what. wow. that's ridiculous.  the more i hear about this xboxone and ps4 the more i want to save my money and get a gaming desktop/laptop. 

[EpicBoot2daFace]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Eternal Napalm wrote...
 I will never, ever, ever touch the Xbox One, and I never want to see one in person, either, less its camera record me. 
 

My advice to you is to never go out in public, lest somebody with a phone be recording or watching you. <_<

I don't know where this guy lives, but here in the States, you're almost always being reocrded while you're out in public. And that is what makes the Xbox One so intrusive; it negates the privacy of your own home. This camera will be on 24/7 and always listening to you even if it isn't recording video. It very well could be doing both and you would be none the wiser.

So, the only way to be an Xbox One owner and ensure that you aren't being recorded while not using the device is to unplug it every time when you're done using it. And you may never be done using it. Since it operates as an add-on for your existing cable box, it could very well have to stay on 24/7 if you use it for watching cable.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 25 mai 2013 - 09:41 .

[Get Magna Carter]

cJohnOne wrote...

Get Magna Carter wrote...

whatever lets me play single-player offline games without EVER connecting to the internet

I hope they do that but it seems like they want to have an internet connection to verify your game at least once.

If neither do (and the Wii U doesn't get enough good games) then I'll stick to the consoles I already have, replaying games and working my way through my backlog (which is massive as I've been buying and hoarding almost 50 games a year in recent years...). I can probably get by for the rest of my life without buying a new console.  If the games industry does not want my money I won't force it on them.

[Gatt9]

MissOuJ wrote...

If Sony keeps the online features free it keeps getting my money. Assuming of course that the price of a PS4 isn't completely unreasonable, and that the console seems like it's worth my money (has good games, doesn't have invasive features etc.). I probably won't be buying at lauch anyway, depending on my financial situation...

I don't know, there's so much still in the air. I might just as well go with the XBO if it truly ends up being the better console, but from my very European, ice-hockey loving point of view, Microsoft seems to have very little to offer me. Granted, both Sony and Microsoft have been somewhat quiet /  cryptic about what their console really does and doesn't do, so I quess I'll just hang at the back with my PS3 and wait for a while. I honestly don't care which one I end up getting as long as it meets my needs well enough.

But anyway...

Gatt9 wrote...

Actually,  these arguments have been around forever.  It's not that the consoles are "Doing thing for the pc crowd to take notice",  there's nothing a console can do that couldn't be done,  and done better,  on a PC.  Even living room gaming could be done significantly better with a PC if Microsoft had developed their OS to facilitate that.  They haven't,  simply because it would cannibalize their console market*.

Generally,  these arguments start because console players are trying to validate their choice,  because they (naturally) want to believe that they have the best possible system.  It usually ends up with people tossing out a variety of myths about consoles,  like the oft repeated "The Console is a dedicated game machine so it's better at it",  when the reality is that the PC consistently remains far more powerful and adaptable.

True, but PC gaming lacks one thing that the consoles have: user-friendliness.

I've gamed both on consoles and the PC, and the fact is that by gaming on the PS3 I haven't had any compatibility issues, no "programme encountered an unspecified error" -messages, no mysteriously vanishing saves, and no need to pay several hundred euros for new graphics card or other upgrades. I can also buy used games at significantly lowered prices, and I can game comfortably -- PC gaming almost killed my shoulders. By gaming on a console, I pop in the disk, wait for install, possibly download some patches and updates, and then I play. No finding out about extra hoops I have to take to take to make this game work on this version of my OS, no deleting cache-files or turning off the antivirus software because it messes with the launcher, and so on.

Of course by gaming on the consoles you lose some awesome features PC gaming has, like modding and the ability to optimise graphics to your liking: my PS3 copy of DA:O looks absolutely hideous most of the time, but when played on a high-end PC, it looks gorgeous.

Your argument that console gamers are just making up excuses to make themselves feel better is really misguided, since both console gamers and PC gamers are right: consoles are made for gaming, so for some people they're the better option, and PC games are more powerful and adaptible, and have cool features that the consoles lack. But console gamers and PC gamers are talking straight past eachother, since this is a game of "win some, lose some" and both parties are prioritizing different issues, and arguing about whose priorities are better is just pointless.

I have to say that I somewhat agree with you about the end of consoles; since both XBO and PS4 seem to have cloud gaming features, this could very well be the last console cycle. I woundn't agree they are PC's, since while that might be technically / functionally true, I can't (and I don't want to) do my shopping, operate word processing software, or pay my bills on the PS3 / PS4, which is what most PC's are for -- or at least in most cases and for most people those are some if their primary functions -- so I wouldn't say consoles have turned into PCs.

You'll encounter errors on consoles,  numerous console games had save corrupting bugs when they shipped,  I've run into several that would lock up and I'm sure google can turn up lists of those issues.  Just because the "An error has been encountered" screen isn't presented to the user doesn't mean it isn't there.

Additionally,  you don't need to pay several hundred euros for a graphics upgrade.  Moore's law is dead,  a PC from 5 years ago is still able to run games fine,  and in better quality than either current console.

Console games,  even used console games,  aren't cheaper than PC games.  I can buy games for as little as $5 on Steam.  used console games are quite often just a couple of dollars less than a new copy.  A newly released game on the PC is generally the price a used console game will be sold at months down the line.

Your comments about installation and such are OS issues,  these could *easily* be handled by OS if it was in the best interests of Microsoft to do so.  Until now,  it hasn't been,  Microsoft benefits from making PC gaming require more "Hoops",  if the PC was easy,  connected to a TV,  with it's better quality,  the X-box wouldn't sell.  It's been in MS's best interests for the last 8 years or so to improve their OS for gaming.

They have turned into PC's,  you're talking about applications,  not architecture.  They are PC's,  they're using x86 processors with SoC designs meant to be used in laptops.  I wouldn't be at all surprised to see someone hack one of these things and have it running Windows 7 within the first year of release.

[TheBlackBaron]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I don't know where this guy lives, but here in the States, you're almost always being reocrded while you're out in public. And that is what makes the Xbox One so intrusive; it negates the privacy of your own home. This camera will be on 24/7 and always listening to you even if it isn't recording video. It very well could be doing both and you would be none the wiser.

So, the only way to be an Xbox One owner and ensure that you aren't being recorded while not using the device is to unplug it every time when you're done using it. And you may never be done using it. Since it operates as an add-on for your existing cable box, it could very well have to stay on 24/7 if you use it for watching cable.

It's listening for a single phrase, "Xbox on" ... and it's in a low power state such that the microphone is the only thing that's on. It might not even be connected to the internet at that point, or capable of recordign since it has no onboard storage, Microsoft has been pretty vague about all this. 

Furthermore, if the idea is that somebody could gain access to it and turn it on remotely, I hope you're also prepared to go without your phone or webcam, because they're also capable of being compromised like that. 

And seriously? Have we become so lazy as a nation that unplugging it while not using it is something extraordinary to ask? 

Frankly, out of all the concerns about the Xbox, this one is the stupidest. There is nothing to it but paranoia that "somebody" might be "watching you" for nefarious purposes. Even required internet connections potentially legitimately affects more people than the Kinect. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 26 mai 2013 - 05:19 .

[cJohnOne]

If the Xbox One can tell what product your holding that's pretty invasive even if it's done by computer.

[The Heretic of Time]

iiReaperZz wrote...

Both because I'm not a worthless fanboy and have the money

Cool story bro.

I'll buy neither because I'm not an ignorant drone and I realize that my hard-earned cash is better spend elsewhere, like for example a new GPU for my PC workstation (which already is superior to the PS4 and Xbone).

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 26 mai 2013 - 05:51 .

[cJohnOne]

Consoles are fun they don't use a keyboard so you don't have to use a chair. Consoles are affordable and most of the games will be made with consoles in mind. I think a cheap PC and console is a good combination. Also I think the PS4 has a dual shock contoller.

[The Heretic of Time]

cJohnOne wrote...

Consoles are fun they don't use a keyboard so you don't have to use a chair.
Consoles are affordable and most of the games will be made with consoles in mind. I think a cheap PC and console is a good combination. Also I think the PS4 has a dual shock contoller.

PCs are fun and you can easily play on them wherever you want, be it a comfy gamer chair behind a desk or even on a couch (with a controller, or a keyboard on a lower table).
PCs are affordable and most games look and run way better on PCs. I think an average-priced gaming PC (enough to run most modern games on high graphics) is the best way to go. Also I know you can use whatever controller you want on a PC, be it a keyboard + mouse, an Xbox360 controller, a dualshock controller or even a wiimote. Everything is possible.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 26 mai 2013 - 07:00 .

[Get Magna Carter]

cJohnOne wrote...

If the Xbox One can tell what product your holding that's pretty invasive even if it's done by computer.

Microsoft will probably try to make it seem more acceptable by having achievements based on what you are doing in front of the Kinect camera...

[The Heretic of Time]

Get Magna Carter wrote...

cJohnOne wrote...

If the Xbox One can tell what product your holding that's pretty invasive even if it's done by computer.

Microsoft will probably try to make it seem more acceptable by having achievements based on what you are doing in front of the Kinect camera...

Achievement unlocked! - "Dropping Loads"
"Masturbated 10 times on one day in front of the Kinect."

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 26 mai 2013 - 09:52 .

[RedArmyShogun]

PC both of the new "big" systems stink and come with features I don't want or need. And I won't buy a lesser evil for a couple of titles I would love to play. Its why I didn't have a Wii. Love Nintedo but I won't buy something that doesn't sit well with me.

[mybudgee]

Neither

[vortex216]

I like Sony and a am big Naughty dog fan. Sign me up for Playstation4.