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[GreatBlueHeron]

Microsoft struck an iceberg, but it's not too late. They can and SHOULD change the restrictions and spyware requirements. If they did that they wouldn't have to adjust the price to stay competitive. Make noise to Microsoft.

I will probably get a ps4. 399 is awesome. PS+ required for online? That's a negative, sort of. I've had it before and I like it. If it means better servers, I'm sold.

[Mendelevosa]

 LOL! Another sucker punch at Microsoft by Sony. This one really made me burst out laughing.

[Galbrant]

Funny.

[Overdosing]

Mendelevosa wrote...

 LOL! Another sucker punch at Microsoft by Sony. This one really made me burst out laughing.

*applause*

Sony continues to impress day by day.

[Degs29]

Microsoft seems to be in some trouble. The PS4 is beating the X1 everywhere except non-core services and perhaps games (I'm sure that's up for debate).

[TheBlackBaron]

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

Microsoft struck an iceberg, but it's not too late. They can and SHOULD change the restrictions and spyware requirements. If they did that they wouldn't have to adjust the price to stay competitive. Make noise to Microsoft.

I will probably get a ps4. 399 is awesome. PS+ required for online? That's a negative, sort of. I've had it before and I like it. If it means better servers, I'm sold.

Please. At this point Microsoft could remove all the DRM and lower the price to $299 and they'd probably get savaged by the internet. 

The reason Microsoft wouldn't do it is because it would mean admitting they made a mistake. Well, for people who have oh so loudly proclaimed they're switching to Sony, going back on that if Microsoft actually did change things would mean admitting -they- made a mistake. So instead Microsoft will simply get mocked and we'll continue to have morons post "hurr xboxdone" in the commens of every internet article.

[stormhit]

I was actually really looking forward to going disc free this generation, so I sort of find this whole back and forth rather pointless as it doesn't impact my personal preferences at all. MS should probably work in some kind of solid, offline, require-disc mode or some such just to reassure people that it isn't the digital only future yet...but I still I think a lot of this general internet explosion is kind of unfair. A lot of the media features and OS potential of the One are appealing to me; and I've been a "gamer" forever.

At any rate, I'm pretty much where I was before E3-- considering either the One or making my return to the master race after a decade or so in exile.

[OdanUrr]

So, can Microsoft still turn this around or is it over? Thoughts?

http://social.biowar...74/polls/46078/

Modifié par OdanUrr, 11 juin 2013 - 04:23 .

[Ghost Lightning]

OdanUrr wrote...

So, can Microsoft still turn this around or is it over? Thoughts?

http://social.biowar...74/polls/46078/

their only hope is to do what Sony did with the PS3 after its shakey reveal and bank on improvements over the console's lifetime. At this point it's unarguable that the PS4 is the better VALUE of the two with no confusing DRM and a 20% lower price point for faster hardware. MS can't just come out now and say "loljk no drm we were joking" because that would be an admission of their sound defeat. But if they wait a while, let their fans express their disdain for the negatively recieved features for maybe a year, then pull them; they'll be "listening to consumers" as opposed to "bowing to the competition".

At this point I can't see an alternative option. All the games in the world may not be enough to outway consumer friendliness. And to be honest, it didn't seem like MS had many "killer apps" in the game department. A lot of good looking titles for sure, but none that are console sellers for me personally.

So idk, it doesn't look good for MS at this point.

Modifié par Ghost Lightning, 11 juin 2013 - 04:57 .

[Fawx9]

The only way for them to turn this around is to sell digital to the console market.

PC has been doing that over a number of years and has finally gotten people used to it thanks to Steam, GoG and other services. MS needs to realize they aren't just going to get people to give up their hard copies (hell even PC publishers still sell boxes).

If they can do that, then they can start having the discussion about what the consequences are. It was a horrible move nail down all of these restrictions when console gaming isn't even ready to accept/benefit from the upsides of digital.

[OdanUrr]

Fawx9 wrote...

The only way for them to turn this around is to sell digital to the console market.

PC has been doing that over a number of years and has finally gotten people used to it thanks to Steam, GoG and other services. MS needs to realize they aren't just going to get people to give up their hard copies (hell even PC publishers still sell boxes).

If they can do that, then they can start having the discussion about what the consequences are. It was a horrible move nail down all of these restrictions when console gaming isn't even ready to accept/benefit from the upsides of digital.

And they'd need to incorporate sales after Steam.

[stormhit]

their only hope is to do what Sony did with the PS3 after its shakey reveal and bank on improvements over the console's lifetime. At this point it's unarguable that the PS4 is the better VALUE of the two with no confusing DRM and a 20% lower price point for faster hardware. MS can't just come out now and say "loljk no drm we were joking" because that would be an admission of their sound defeat. But if they wait a while, let their fans express their disdain for the negatively recieved features for maybe a year, then pull them; they'll be "listening to consumers" as opposed to "bowing to the competition".

At this point I can't see an alternative option. All the games in the world may not be enough to outway consumer friendliness. And to be honest, it didn't seem like MS had many "killer apps" in the game department. A lot of good looking titles for sure, but none that are console sellers for me personally.

So idk, it doesn't look good for MS at this point.

I'm of the opinion that large companies generally don't care about saving face as much as what impacts the bottom line. The two are related, but they aren't going to refuse to do something that they think might lead to higher sales and a better lifetime trajectory for the product just because it might look to some like they were "defeated.' 

But I doubt they'll ditch their DRM completely, and they probably shouldn't.  It's clearly a digital platform first, that's obviously their long term strategy, and it seems like they need some level of license awareness for it to work. But they can adjust on the margins, and they can introduce new features to mitigate things people are upset about.  If the public is pleased with the product, nobody will care about whether anyone caved.  Except maybe those who argue about such things on the internet for fun.

Modifié par stormhit13, 11 juin 2013 - 05:13 .

[ShepnTali]

It's really strange looking at the official Xbox One forum. Anyone supporting Xbox One is pretty much considered a fanboy troll.

[TheBlackBaron]

stormhit13 wrote...

their only hope is to do what Sony did with the PS3 after its shakey reveal and bank on improvements over the console's lifetime. At this point it's unarguable that the PS4 is the better VALUE of the two with no confusing DRM and a 20% lower price point for faster hardware. MS can't just come out now and say "loljk no drm we were joking" because that would be an admission of their sound defeat. But if they wait a while, let their fans express their disdain for the negatively recieved features for maybe a year, then pull them; they'll be "listening to consumers" as opposed to "bowing to the competition".

At this point I can't see an alternative option. All the games in the world may not be enough to outway consumer friendliness. And to be honest, it didn't seem like MS had many "killer apps" in the game department. A lot of good looking titles for sure, but none that are console sellers for me personally.

So idk, it doesn't look good for MS at this point.

I'm of the opinion that large companies generally don't care about saving face as much as what impacts the bottom line. The two are related, but they aren't going to refuse to do something that they think might lead to higher sales and a better lifetime trajectory for the product just because it might look to some like they were "defeated.' 

The company as an entity probably doesn't, but whatever executive made the decisions probably does. That's why I think a price reduction is much more likely, at least in the short term. That's a much less embarassing route (if it can be called embarassing at all) and probably will do them more good than trying to backtrack on the DRM policies. Again, there is a very loud and vocal group that is strongly opposed to this, but I think that psychological factor of being the most expensive console by $100 will affect people and thus their sales much more than any DRM (particularly when the used game DRM is entirely up to the publishers). 

Also, funnily enough, I can't seem to escape this discussion since I heard a table of twenty-to-thirty somethings talking about it at work today. They seemed to be 1 for PS4, 1 for X1, and 1 undecided. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 11 juin 2013 - 09:21 .

[Degs29]

ShepnTali wrote...

It's really strange looking at the official Xbox One forum. Anyone supporting Xbox One is pretty much considered a fanboy troll.

It's easy to label someone a fanboy.  Harder to prove it. 

I've been a fan of Microsoft since the Xbox.  I've preferred the original and the 360 over Sony's counterparts and I've had several issues with Sony hardware.

I have no issue with the once-every-24-hours-online-connectivity requirement or the limitations on used games.  I see the X1's non-core services as a plus, which seems to be the opposite of many people for some reason.

However....

Bundling an expensive piece of hardware (Kinect), that I'm not even interested in, as an essential piece of equipment and charging $100 more than its competition and providing inferior power is what gets me.  Shockingly, if I was actually going to buy a next-gen console (rather than concentrate on my PC), I'd say it is a close race for me personally.  Which is terrible on Microsoft's part, considering I loathe the PS controllers and have a bad track record with Sony.

[Ravensword]

I think that Microsoft should stick to Windows.

[AresKeith]

Ravensword wrote...

I think that Microsoft should stick to Windows.

And start a cable company lol

[The Love Runner]

Degs29 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

It's really strange looking at the official Xbox One forum. Anyone supporting Xbox One is pretty much considered a fanboy troll.

It's easy to label someone a fanboy.  Harder to prove it. 

I've been a fan of Microsoft since the Xbox.  I've preferred the original and the 360 over Sony's counterparts and I've had several issues with Sony hardware.

I have no issue with the once-every-24-hours-online-connectivity requirement or the limitations on used games.  I see the X1's non-core services as a plus, which seems to be the opposite of many people for some reason.

However....

Bundling an expensive piece of hardware (Kinect), that I'm not even interested in, as an essential piece of equipment and charging $100 more than its competition and providing inferior power is what gets me.  Shockingly, if I was actually going to buy a next-gen console (rather than concentrate on my PC), I'd say it is a close race for me personally.  Which is terrible on Microsoft's part, considering I loathe the PS controllers and have a bad track record with Sony.

I'm actually used to the DualShock controllers, even though I have large hands compared to the small design. I have been with Sony since PS1, so that factors in. I'm also used to the control scheme of Playstation compared to Xbox, and the DualShock controllers are very durable. When I held a friend's Xbox controller for the first time, it took me a while to get used to it, not to mention the d-pad design flaw in the early versions of the controller.

I don't dislike Xbox controllers, just used to the DualShock ones.

[ShepnTali]

Don't expect changes any time soon. Microsoft is riding this out...


http://www.gamespot....sprint-6409849/

[NOD-INFORMER37]

It isnt just the restrictions on the "Xbone" that's unsettling, but check out this video. Just to warn you there is alot of swearing, but he gets the point across.

[ShepnTali]

^ If anyone wants a peepshow from me, they gotta pay!

[Weskerr]

In my other posts, I exaggerated a bit when I said that the PS4 has the opportunity to put the Xbox1 out of business. The Xbox1 will definitely have a good number of sales, but it will pale in comparison to their projected sales and the actual sales of the PS4. In other words, MS has shot themselves in the foot with their anti-consumer policies.

[TheBlackBaron]

ShepnTali wrote...

Don't expect changes any time soon. Microsoft is riding this out...

http://www.gamespot....sprint-6409849/

Can't expect a different answer right now. Staying the course is the only option they have for the time being. 

Still, after we get into July, watch for annoucements of a price cut and a more robust offline mode (e.g. allowing up to a week of offline play). Little things that can earn at least a little goodwill and don't involve much public embarassment, especially now that Sony has quietly announced they third-party publishers will be in control of their own DRM decisions on the PS4. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 12 juin 2013 - 04:01 .

[NeonFlux117]

I was talking to some friends today who aren't bias fanboys- owners of both consoles and pc's. And they said that all Microsoft has to is- not restrict used games, not always online (well, it's pretty much always online, needs internet every 24 hours), and a kinect-less model priced at or around 450 bucks.

I think these are reasonable things that microsoft should consider. Microsoft will not go down without a fight, and the raging fan-boysism of the internet is just a wh*re of the moment complex.

It ain't over. Not by a long shot. Microsoft still has exclusive content and still has halo. Their still very, very much alive.

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 12 juin 2013 - 04:19 .