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[The Night Mammoth]

LPPrince wrote...

If I post a picture of the boxart style for X1 game cases, I guarantee someone will find something wrong with it just to find something wrong with it-

Top Gear logo.

[Ryzaki]

Faust1979 wrote...

Did anyone else think of Peter Molyneux when they started talking about how great the dog in the game was going to be? I remember him going on about the dog months before Fable 2 came out

To be fair it's pretty much common expectation that half the things out of Molyneux's mouth are complete BS. I mean it's just a given.

MS getting in on it.

*shakes head*

[OdanUrr]

It's not like this is really surprising news but anyway:

Microsoft won't cater to 'traditional desktop PC gamers' with first-party strategy

Remember when Microsoft used to make games for PC? With their Xbox business thriving, the company has long shifted focus away from PC gamers. That attitude will continue in the Xbox One generation, it appears.

At its Xbox One reveal event, the company announced 15 exclusives coming to the console in its first year. When asked if PC gamers could possibly get access to some of that content, Matt Booty, general manager of Redmond Game Studios and Platforms told us that "the Windows 8 gamer is certainly going to participate in some of that content," but not in the way you might expect or want.


Speaking on Microsoft's strategy on Windows 8 gaming, Booty said that "we have got everything from very, very casual games, like our very much improved and reimagined Solitaire, all the way to graphically complicated games like The Harvest."

But I interrupted him, pointing out that people could argue that The Harvest is not AAA-tier like Gears of War. I asked if he felt that, from a first-party perspective, Microsoft's focus on Windows 8 is on the lower-end.

"We're talking about console games, but there could be some franchises that also end up with a PC game," Booty responded. "When I think about more connected experiences across those platforms, it's things that show up within that family of devices where we've got Xbox Live, like Windows Phone and Windows 8," and "not what you might consider a more traditional desktop PC game."

[LPPrince]

So basically, PC will get some titles like what we expect to see out of E3, but not all.

[Ryzaki]

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My urge to scream.

If I wanted a nontraditional desktop game I'd *drumroll* not play on a desktop! Bah. 

Also how would gaming tournaments even work on the Xbone? Especially with all those damn kinetics?

Perfect for trolling though just yell XBOX OFF right in the middle of it.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 mai 2013 - 10:55 .

[AresKeith]

Ryzaki wrote...

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My urge to scream.

Also how would gaming tournaments even work on the Xbone? Especially with all those damn kinetics?

Kinect style tournaments lol

[OdanUrr]

LPPrince wrote...

So basically, PC will get some titles like what we expect to see out of E3, but not all.

It wouldn't be an exclusive otherwise, would it? Like I said, as expected.

[Ryzaki]

AresKeith wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

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My urge to scream.

Also how would gaming tournaments even work on the Xbone? Especially with all those damn kinetics?

Kinect style tournaments lol

 read my edit.

I can totally see a sore loser doing that. :innocent:

[LPPrince]

OdanUrr wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

So basically, PC will get some titles like what we expect to see out of E3, but not all.

It wouldn't be an exclusive otherwise, would it? Like I said, as expected.

I always considered 360/PC titles to still be exclusives if they were kept off PS3, same the other way around.

Basically when it comes to exclusives I put Microsoft's console and PC's together. Just how it works in my head. 

[AresKeith]

Ryzaki wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

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My urge to scream.

If I wanted a nontraditional desktop game I'd *drumroll* not play on a desktop! Bah. 

Also how would gaming tournaments even work on the Xbone? Especially with all those damn kinetics?

Perfect for trolling though just yell XBOX OFF right in the middle of it.

Kinect style tournaments lol

 read my edit.

I can totally see a sore loser doing that. :innocent:

Rage quiting at a whole new level

[Wulfram]

Hey, at least PC will be getting the new reimagined Solitaire!

Perhaps it'll now be an MMO?

[Eternal Napalm]

I don't think people were looking for things to hate on Xbox except the fact that the rumor mill was consistent and prolonged enough to give those who could make fairly confident inferences on what to expect cautious and weary and pessimistic. I would have loved it if Microsoft didn't screw with my hobby and put restrictions on games legally obtained through offer, acceptance and consideration. If it didn't want to require internet and DRM, and actually focused on my economic demand as a gamer. I own a 360 right now, and have used it today. I don't own a Sony PlayStation. But people saw what was coming, or at least had very strong hints at potential outcomes, and was shocked that it is all worse then even those expectations. It won't effect us because we won't buy it, PS4 is better and a clean alternative, but people then see it as an attack and threat for ruining their hobby in future evolution and progression, and get defensive. I'm glad some are just going to go to PC...its a logical reaction. Although on other sites the Xbox fanboy is particularly irritable and on edge these days, I noticed. They claim its "the best thing ever created".

Btw....is there a brand new Call of Duty? And any way to play Call of Duty and watch sports on my tv at the same time?

Muahaha

[legion999]

Good lord this looks bad. So glad I got a PC.

[Ryzaki]

Wulfram wrote...

Hey, at least PC will be getting the new reimagined Solitaire!

Perhaps it'll now be an MMO?

It could at least be chess if it's gonna be a MMO Or poker.

[Faust1979]

Eternal Napalm wrote...

I don't think people were looking for things to hate on Xbox except the fact that the rumor mill was consistent and prolonged enough to give those who could make fairly confident inferences on what to expect cautious and weary and pessimistic. I would have loved it if Microsoft didn't screw with my hobby and put restrictions on games legally obtained through offer, acceptance and consideration. If it didn't want to require internet and DRM, and actually focused on my economic demand as a gamer. I own a 360 right now, and have used it today. I don't own a Sony PlayStation. But people saw what was coming, or at least had very strong hints at potential outcomes, and was shocked that it is all worse then even those expectations. It won't effect us because we won't buy it, PS4 is better and a clean alternative, but people then see it as an attack and threat for ruining their hobby in future evolution and progression, and get defensive. I'm glad some are just going to go to PC...its a logical reaction. Although on other sites the Xbox fanboy is particularly irritable and on edge these days, I noticed. They claim its "the best thing ever created".

Btw....is there a brand new Call of Duty? And any way to play Call of Duty and watch sports on my tv at the same time?

Muahaha

I'm glad I'm not a hardcore fanboy and only what I think is best for me.  If it takes sending my money to Sony for their PS4 then so be it I had both PS2 and xbox then I just went ahead and got the Xbox 360 but now it's looking like I'm going back with PS4 for the next generation

[LPPrince]

Yeah, I went PS1-PS2-360(only switched to 360 because of the price at the time), now I'm just waiting to find out more before I make the decision. I'm kinda surprised people have already been preordering games on next-gen consoles, but I guess thats brand loyalty. Understandable in retrospect.

[AresKeith]

LPPrince wrote...

Yeah, I went PS1-PS2-360(only switched to 360 because of the price at the time), now I'm just waiting to find out more before I make the decision. I'm kinda surprised people have already been preordering games on next-gen consoles, but I guess thats brand loyalty. Understandable in retrospect.

I wonder if some regret doing it at the moment

[Faust1979]

LPPrince wrote...

Yeah, I went PS1-PS2-360(only switched to 360 because of the price at the time), now I'm just waiting to find out more before I make the decision. I'm kinda surprised people have already been preordering games on next-gen consoles, but I guess thats brand loyalty. Understandable in retrospect.

I'll only start caring about the next gen games when the new Bioware, Obsidian, elder scrolls and Fallout games start coming out.

[Brockololly]

[quote]Allan Schumacher wrote...
It seems to me that MS is really looking at shifting to much more than just a gaming platform. The thing is, even with games, people only demand a particular type of game once they have been given it. Outside of random musings for a City building simulator, fanatical demands for more don't come until after SimCity released all those years ago.

You can really see this when you look at fans demands from developers.  It's always, if not a direct sequel, a game like a previous game. The  irony I always find with this is that, had a sequel been made instead of that new game, would we have been happier? Imagine if BioWare decided  to go with Shattered Steel 2 instead of Baldur's Gate.[/quote]
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That's very true. Reminds me of Rumsfeld  talking about "unknown unknowns". If a given developer is only pumping out sequels of one kind, perhaps otherwise they'd have made a new kind of game that would have been even more successfulor more appealing? Any given gamer doesn't necessarily know they might want a game that hasn't been made- they don't know that they don't know they want that game until its made.

All that said, I think its unfortunate within the big "AAA" game sphere that you have companies like EA or Activision or Ubisoft so tightly focused on producing huge mega blockbusters, that you have fewer and fewer games being published year after year. More resources may be going to each title, but that lower title count might end up with less innovation and less "unknown unknown" types of games being made- games that I didn't even know I wanted until one was made. Of course, that's where indie developers seem to be filling the void a bit.

[quote]Allan Schumacher wrote...
Are you making an assumption that, because Steam happened 10 years ago,  that people are more embracing of change than they one were (I'd  adamantly disagree with this perspective).[/quote]
Oh no, not at all. My point in bringing up that Steam has been around for ~10 years is that it seems every time a new DD platform comes about, whether its Xbox One's services or Origin or whatever, they seem to repeat a lot of the same mistakes that Steam once made that had people upset with Steam. It seems like thos people in charge of Xbox One aren't looking at the past and are doing things that, based on how people reacted to Steam in the past, didn't like. They should know that the whole used game thing is going to ****** people off. That having to be online checked every 24 hours is going to ****** people off. You can look at the history of how those sort of things have fared on PC to see that people back then were pissed about it and thus you should be able to at the very least get out in front of these controversies, instead of having a bunch of wishy washy, muddled  and confused messaging like MS has had in the past 48 hours.

Just as you could look at what people didn't like about Steam back then, you could learn from Steam as to how Valve was able to fix people's perception of Steam. Steam's history should give companies like EA or MS a roadmap of what to do and not do with their online or DD platforms yet it seems like they frequently run into the same problems Valve did, or worse.

[quote]Allan Schumacher wrote...
Why does Steam do it despite being the biggest market share for digital  distribution? Steam does Steam sales because, as the distributor, it  doesn't care if it's making $1 million with 20 sales, or 500k sales.  They're taking the cut of the money. So Steam does Steam sales because it gets people buying games in large quantities.

You seem to feel that the human beings using Xbox One are somehow fundamentally  different than human beings using Steam. They aren't (in many cases  they are actually the same people).[/quote]

I don't quite follow. My impression of Steam sales was that Valve might orchestrate big event type sales and notify individual developers of a sale event and maybe recommend they add their game to the mix but ultimately, what goes on sale on Steam is the developer/publisher's call, not Valve's (beyond Valve published games).So if Valve wanted to put Skyrim on sale, they would have to clear that with Bethesda first. My impression of Xbox Live is that the developer/publisher has to play by MS's rules. So in their ecosystem, if MS want's your indie game at $10 but you want it priced at $5, its MS's way or the highway.

All I'm saying is that Steam has shown with their actions that they have frequent sales of games at low cost. And from a consumer's POV, having access to those low cost sales blunts the inability to resell your digital game on Steam. I think MS has vaguely mentioned they'll have some ability to trade games online which could be interesting. But going by their track record of actions with Live, MS does not seem to offer nearly much pricing flexibility to digital games. Why that is, I don't know.

But sure, the consumers using Steam or Xbox would be the same- they'd want their games cheap, if possible. Whether that's getting a game cheap through a Steam sale or cheap from trading in a game at Gamestop to put towards another one, its the same net effect. The concerning aspect of Xbox One is that its unclear console gamers will have that trade in option at a Gamestop and based on MS's history, its unclear they'd have a digital environment comparable to Steam or just PC's in general. PC gaming digital downloads isn't limited to Steam- you have Amazon, Origin, GOG, GMG and so forth. Like, Amazon is having an awesome PC DD sale right now.That competition is great. But on a close system like Xbox, its not clear consumers will have that option and that is bad for consumers.


[quote]Allan Schumacher wrote...
The only reason why you let Valve do the same things that MS (specifically  phrased this way to drive the point home) is because you trust them  more. It has little to do with the specific features, functions, or  capability, and much more to do with whether or not you feel like you're not going to get ripped off.

I would have loved to seen the reaction if this was the SteamBox reveal,  to be perfectly honest. I have no doubts that opinions would be  different, fueled in large part by their impressions of Valve as well as whether or not they have used (and enjoyed) the Steam service.[/quote]

I don't know about that. I think when Valve screws up, people complain just as loudly. The difference between MS and Valve is that Valve seems like they actually listen and subsequently enact changes based on what people are saying. Does MS really have that track record of listening and then acting? I don't know.

At the end of the day, actions speak louder than words. I'm sure if Valve came out with their Steambox and it had always online DRM, people would be pissed. And some people wouldn't buy it. But other people would. But if in practice that DRM made for a ****ty experience, then people would badmouth it and it would sell poorly forcing Valve to change their ways. Or Valve would do something to make it more enticing. That reactivity to consumer feedback isn't necessarily something I think of when I think of MS. But that's just my perception.

Modifié par Brockololly, 23 mai 2013 - 11:21 .

[LPPrince]

AresKeith wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Yeah, I went PS1-PS2-360(only switched to 360 because of the price at the time), now I'm just waiting to find out more before I make the decision. I'm kinda surprised people have already been preordering games on next-gen consoles, but I guess thats brand loyalty. Understandable in retrospect.

I wonder if some regret doing it at the moment

We'll see about them. As far as switches and brand loyalties, if I didn't go 360 I would've missed out on being a part of the group of gaming buddies I have, I'd of missed out on some of my favorite games of all time, and I likely wouldn't of ever come HERE.

So I'm actually very glad I went 360 last time around. This time? Dunno. But I'm open to all sides.

But preordering titles this early? Naaaah.

Modifié par LPPrince, 23 mai 2013 - 11:25 .

[The Night Mammoth]

LPPrince wrote...

We'll see about them. As far as switches and brand loyalties, if I didn't go 360 I would've missed out on being a part of the group of gaming buddies I have, I'd of missed out on some of my favorite games of all time, and I likely wouldn't of ever come HERE.

So I'm actually very glad I went 360 last time around. This time? Dunno. But I'm open to all sides.

But preordering titles this early? Naaaah.

Pretty much the same with me. PS1, PS2, then switched to 360 and don't regret it one bit. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't anticipating the One more than the PS4, but right now I think my brand loyalty has been smashed. 

[Ryzaki]

Guess they're planning on streaming theather movies or something?

Least I hope that's just for stuff still in theatres if they use it. Otherwise that'll suck.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 mai 2013 - 11:45 .

[LPPrince]

The only reason I could say I'm more for the X1 than PS4 would be to keep playing the franchises I enjoy playing on the Microsoft side, though if ANYONE actually does feel that way, they should weigh how many of those titles they love are actually multi platform.

I mean, if you really dig one title thats a Microsoft exclusive, the rest of your favorites are multi platform, and you hate what you've heard about the X1, you might as well go PS4. It has a slew of great franchises to enjoy that are exclusive to Sony.

On the other hand, if you find most of your favorite games are Microsoft exclusives, you're very curious to see and hear about the 15 exclusives Microsoft says will release in the first year of the next console cycle, and you're fine with what you've heard about the X1, think about sticking around.

Its all about weighing options and being open. Who knows what'll happen if you choose one over the other.

[TheRealJayDee]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

My point was that console gamers will get used to the changes just as PC gamers already did.  Its really not that big of a deal, trust me.

As a 50/50 console and PC gamer I still haven't gotten used to some of the changes in PC gaming and probably never will. I missed quite a lot of games on PC because of that, some I got for the PS3 instead, most I just ignored. I seriously don't like to be forced to use stuff I don't want and don't need in order to just play games.

Right now it doesn't look like console gamers are too happy with the prospect of being introduced to the drawbacks of PC gaming...