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[Salamander Soup]

You don't buy games period. You rent them at full price.

[spirosz]

jesuno wrote...

spirosz wrote...

I don't buy used games.

That doesn't matter, because you do not own your games, as apparent by the banning policy.

I do own my games on the PS4 and PC.  

[OdanUrr]

spirosz wrote...

jesuno wrote...

spirosz wrote...

I don't buy used games.

That doesn't matter, because you do not own your games, as apparent by the banning policy.

I do own my games on the PS4 and PC.  

About the PC bit, check the EULAs. You'll be surprised.

[Ravensword]

OdanUrr wrote...

spirosz wrote...

jesuno wrote...

spirosz wrote...

I don't buy used games.

That doesn't matter, because you do not own your games, as apparent by the banning policy.

I do own my games on the PS4 and PC.  

About the PC bit, check the EULAs. You'll be surprised.

Who reads the EULA? It's so long. In fact, it's so long on purpose so that it will discourage people from reading it. People buy video games to play, and not sift through a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo. They should just put at the very end of the EULA this:

tl;dr: if you make any sort of reproduction of the IP without consent of the owner(s), we'll cut your balls off.

[Druss99]

OdanUrr wrote...

spirosz wrote...

jesuno wrote...

spirosz wrote...

I don't buy used games.

That doesn't matter, because you do not own your games, as apparent by the banning policy.

I do own my games on the PS4 and PC.  

About the PC bit, check the EULAs. You'll be surprised.

Apparently the banning policy isn't official either, Major Nelson said it's not anyway.

http://www.escapistm...rvers-Shut-Down

Edit: Bloody formatting. Also the video won't load for me for some reason, so I was going by the text.

Modifié par Druss99, 16 juin 2013 - 11:06 .

[Innocent Bystander]

OdanUrr wrote...
About the PC bit, check the EULAs. You'll be surprised.

Who cares about EULA? I'm using Steam since HL2's release, trere's more than 450 items in my Steam library and I can download and play any of them anytime I want and only thing that's limiting me is my internet connection. I don't expect that anything will change anytime soon so they can write anything they want in EULA, for all intends and purposes I own my games.

[OdanUrr]

Luyza wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...
About the PC bit, check the EULAs. You'll be surprised.

Who cares about EULA? I'm using Steam since HL2's release, trere's more than 450 items in my Steam library and I can download and play any of them anytime I want and only thing that's limiting me is my internet connection. I don't expect that anything will change anytime soon so they can write anything they want in EULA, for all intends and purposes I own my games.

Publishers, for one. EULAs are carefully worded to bypass the right of first-sale.

[wolfsite]

www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125066-Xbox-One-E3-Demos-May-Have-Been-Running-On-Windows-7

Found this kind of funny from a PC perspective.

[Arcadian Legend]

I do love how the X1 games at E3 were run on PC's that used Windows 7, (proving that even MS doesn't have faith in its latest OS) and that the PC's and X1 games themselves were running on much more powerful hardware than the X1 will actually have. I know it's old news in Internet time but still.

http://www.escapistm...ng-On-Windows-7

Ninja'd. 

Well, I guess one good thing that could come out of this is that the X1 controller can definitely be used on PC's, which is something PC gamers can be happy about. Because if there's one thing most people can agree on positively about the X1 is that it looks like it has a good controller.

Modifié par Arcadian Legend, 17 juin 2013 - 11:20 .

[billy the squid]

OdanUrr wrote...

Luyza wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...
About the PC bit, check the EULAs. You'll be surprised.

Who cares about EULA? I'm using Steam since HL2's release, trere's more than 450 items in my Steam library and I can download and play any of them anytime I want and only thing that's limiting me is my internet connection. I don't expect that anything will change anytime soon so they can write anything they want in EULA, for all intends and purposes I own my games.

Publishers, for one. EULAs are carefully worded to bypass the right of first-sale.

Only in America, and even then it's a fairly grey area.

The rest of Europe, the likes of EA and MS are pretty much fuked, especially after the latest ECJ ruling in November 2012, which gave authority to buyers of software not to be bound by license in the EULA when it comes to resale of software, even digital, in it's current form. There are caveats to this, but I have the suspiscion that MS is going to walk into a ****storm of trouble in the EU with it's attempts to try and curtail software sales.

[OdanUrr]

billy the squid wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Luyza wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...
About the PC bit, check the EULAs. You'll be surprised.

Who cares about EULA? I'm using Steam since HL2's release, trere's more than 450 items in my Steam library and I can download and play any of them anytime I want and only thing that's limiting me is my internet connection. I don't expect that anything will change anytime soon so they can write anything they want in EULA, for all intends and purposes I own my games.

Publishers, for one. EULAs are carefully worded to bypass the right of first-sale.

Only in America, and even then it's a fairly grey area.

The rest of Europe, the likes of EA and MS are pretty much fuked, especially after the latest ECJ ruling in November 2012, which gave authority to buyers of software not to be bound by license in the EULA when it comes to resale of software, even digital, in it's current form. There are caveats to this, but I have the suspiscion that MS is going to walk into a ****storm of trouble in the EU with it's attempts to try and curtail software sales.

The ruling of the ECJ can still be appealed and publishers will probably argue it doesn't apply to video games. It's certainly going to be interesting.

[billy the squid]

OdanUrr wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Luyza wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...
About the PC bit, check the EULAs. You'll be surprised.

Who cares about EULA? I'm using Steam since HL2's release, trere's more than 450 items in my Steam library and I can download and play any of them anytime I want and only thing that's limiting me is my internet connection. I don't expect that anything will change anytime soon so they can write anything they want in EULA, for all intends and purposes I own my games.

Publishers, for one. EULAs are carefully worded to bypass the right of first-sale.

Only in America, and even then it's a fairly grey area.

The rest of Europe, the likes of EA and MS are pretty much fuked, especially after the latest ECJ ruling in November 2012, which gave authority to buyers of software not to be bound by license in the EULA when it comes to resale of software, even digital, in it's current form. There are caveats to this, but I have the suspiscion that MS is going to walk into a ****storm of trouble in the EU with it's attempts to try and curtail software sales.

The ruling of the ECJ can still be appealed and publishers will probably argue it doesn't apply to video games. It's certainly going to be interesting.

I doubt it. This has been going on since 2006 with challenges and appeals, when it was refered from the German legal system to the ECJ. The ECJ being the court of final resort, as the final arbiter of law within the EU and the directives affecting the UK as well.

The ECJ already stated it applies to all software sales and licenses. Which is what MS and publishers were relying on, licenses. There are exceptions within the Usedsoft vs Oracle case, but MS is so utterly confused to the point it doesn't know its head from its arse, it's impossible to actually know whether the X1 will fall within these exceptions or not, at least not yet.

[Innocent Bystander]

OdanUrr wrote...

Luyza wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...
About the PC bit, check the EULAs. You'll be surprised.

Who cares about EULA? I'm using Steam since HL2's release, trere's more than 450 items in my Steam library and I can download and play any of them anytime I want and only thing that's limiting me is my internet connection. I don't expect that anything will change anytime soon so they can write anything they want in EULA, for all intends and purposes I own my games.

Publishers, for one. EULAs are carefully worded to bypass the right of first-sale.

Again me with no caring at all. If I wanted to sell any Steam game, then: create new e-mail account, create new Steam accout, buy game, play game, sell game along with logins to both accounts.
Publishers and their EULAs, come at me.

[jesuno]

Here's an article with him moving out of the way of the cabinet.

[redBadger14]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

I do love how the X1 games at E3 were run on PC's that used Windows 7, (proving that even MS doesn't have faith in its latest OS) and that the PC's and X1 games themselves were running on much more powerful hardware than the X1 will actually have. I know it's old news in Internet time but still.

http://www.escapistm...ng-On-Windows-7

Ninja'd. 

Well, I guess one good thing that could come out of this is that the X1 controller can definitely be used on PC's, which is something PC gamers can be happy about. Because if there's one thing most people can agree on positively about the X1 is that it looks like it has a good controller.

The PS4 demos were doing the EXACT same thing. This is nothing new, at all. It's not that MS or Sony have no faith in their product, its that they want to showcase their games on the most powerful tool possible, hence why PC's are there.

I don't think there could be something any more idiotic for people to complain about (not calling you an idiot, just Escapist).

Edit: Yes I did see an article about Sony claiming *all* their demos were running on PS4's but I doubt that's entirely truthful. At this point they could say anything and the consumer base would believe it. Just as how not all X1 demos were running on PC's, not all PS4 demos were running on PC's. Probably most of the third-party publishers, Battlefield 4 for instance.

Modifié par redBadger14, 17 juin 2013 - 01:59 .

[Chromie]

redBadger14 wrote...
The PS4 demos were doing the EXACT same thing. This is nothing new, at all. It's not that MS or Sony have no faith in their product, its that they want to showcase their games on the most powerful tool possible, hence why PC's are there.

Is that true? Killzone looked impressive and if that was running on a PS4 well awesome. If not then I guess bullshots is all we've been shown.

[redBadger14]

Skelter192 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...
The PS4 demos were doing the EXACT same thing. This is nothing new, at all. It's not that MS or Sony have no faith in their product, its that they want to showcase their games on the most powerful tool possible, hence why PC's are there.

Is that true? Killzone looked impressive and if that was running on a PS4 well awesome. If not then I guess bullshots is all we've been shown.

Check my post again, I edited it. First party games may have been utilizing PS4 tech, but nobody really knows. I know for sure third party games are all showcased on PC. Even then, as impressive as Killzone looked, it seems like they're just making a carbon copy of Crysis.

What's more concerning to me is the constant freezes at the Sony conference. If those games were actually running on PS4, I wonder what was causing the freezes. Though I suppose that could happen to PC easily as well.

[jesuno]

Skelter192 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...
The PS4 demos were doing the EXACT same thing. This is nothing new, at all. It's not that MS or Sony have no faith in their product, its that they want to showcase their games on the most powerful tool possible, hence why PC's are there.

Is that true? Killzone looked impressive and if that was running on a PS4 well awesome. If not then I guess bullshots is all we've been shown.

Nothing I've seen, and there is a shot of the game "Knack" crashing to PS4 OS, as opposed to Windows 7 (note, not 8) like XB1 demos did. Plus, I think every PS4 dev has come out to say that their games were running on PS4 dev kits, and after Peter Moore's boast, I think they are smart enough not to claim otherwise with all of the cameras in the area.

Modifié par jesuno, 17 juin 2013 - 02:10 .

[jesuno]

J. Reezy wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...
The PS4 demos were doing the EXACT same thing. This is nothing new, at all. It's not that MS or Sony have no faith in their product, its that they want to showcase their games on the most powerful tool possible, hence why PC's are there.

Is that true? Killzone looked impressive and if that was running on a PS4 well awesome. If not then I guess bullshots is all we've been shown.

It's possible but since we don't have picture evidence like with Microsoft I'm giving Sony's E3 showings the benefit of the doubt for now.

Possible reason that they were using PCs with GTX 780s.

[redBadger14]

J. Reezy wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...
The PS4 demos were doing the EXACT same thing. This is nothing new, at all. It's not that MS or Sony have no faith in their product, its that they want to showcase their games on the most powerful tool possible, hence why PC's are there.

Is that true? Killzone looked impressive and if that was running on a PS4 well awesome. If not then I guess bullshots is all we've been shown.

It's possible but since we don't have picture evidence like with Microsoft I'm giving Sony's E3 showings the benefit of the doubt for now.

That's the problem, though. The fact someone is deliberately taking photo evidence of MS doing something that is industry-standard at E3 (almost) is proof enough that people are just trying to drum up reasons to hate MS, no matter how idiotic. 

I can get the DRM thing, which even then is seeming more and more like Steam the more I research it, but PC demos at E3? C'mon. Sony could sh*t ponies and rainbows and consumers would toss their money all over them XD

Battlefield 3 for instance was demoed solely on PC during E3 and all the other events DICE went to. When it released, it was outstanding on PC, and was surprisingly great on 360 (and PS3), considering the huge limitations of the consoles.

[jesuno]

redBadger14 wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...
The PS4 demos were doing the EXACT same thing. This is nothing new, at all. It's not that MS or Sony have no faith in their product, its that they want to showcase their games on the most powerful tool possible, hence why PC's are there.

Is that true? Killzone looked impressive and if that was running on a PS4 well awesome. If not then I guess bullshots is all we've been shown.

It's possible but since we don't have picture evidence like with Microsoft I'm giving Sony's E3 showings the benefit of the doubt for now.

That's the problem, though. The fact someone is deliberately taking photo evidence of MS doing something that is industry-standard at E3 (almost) is proof enough that people are just trying to drum up reasons to hate MS, no matter how idiotic. 

I can get the DRM thing, which even then is seeming more and more like Steam the more I research it, but PC demos at E3? C'mon. Sony could sh*t ponies and rainbows and consumers would toss their money all over them XD

Battlefield 3 for instance was demoed solely on PC during E3 and all the other events DICE went to. When it released, it was outstanding on PC, and was surprisingly great on 360 (and PS3), considering the huge limitations of the consoles.

You honestly think there isn't some ultra XBox fanboy that was waiting to get pictures like that? And remember, this wouldn't have been an issue if Peter Moore (I know, not at MS anymore) had not of come out to say that all XB1 titles were being run on XB1 kits.

Modifié par jesuno, 17 juin 2013 - 02:19 .

[redBadger14]

jesuno wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...
The PS4 demos were doing the EXACT same thing. This is nothing new, at all. It's not that MS or Sony have no faith in their product, its that they want to showcase their games on the most powerful tool possible, hence why PC's are there.

Is that true? Killzone looked impressive and if that was running on a PS4 well awesome. If not then I guess bullshots is all we've been shown.

It's possible but since we don't have picture evidence like with Microsoft I'm giving Sony's E3 showings the benefit of the doubt for now.

That's the problem, though. The fact someone is deliberately taking photo evidence of MS doing something that is industry-standard at E3 (almost) is proof enough that people are just trying to drum up reasons to hate MS, no matter how idiotic. 

I can get the DRM thing, which even then is seeming more and more like Steam the more I research it, but PC demos at E3? C'mon. Sony could sh*t ponies and rainbows and consumers would toss their money all over them XD

Battlefield 3 for instance was demoed solely on PC during E3 and all the other events DICE went to. When it released, it was outstanding on PC, and was surprisingly great on 360 (and PS3), considering the huge limitations of the consoles.

You honestly think there isn't some ultra XBox fanboy that was waiting to get pictures like that? And remember, this wouldn't have been an issue if Peter Moore (I know, not at MS anymore) had not of come out to say that all XB1 titles were being run on XB1 kits.

Yeah who really knows, anything can get a rise out of GAF and Reddit nowadays though.

And did someone confirm what the specs of those PC's were for the XB1 demos? If they were similar to that of XB1's, I suppose that counts as "XB1 dev kits" since XB1 runs on a Windows 8 kernel. But I really don't know.

Edit: Your link to LazyTechGuys was a good read, thank you for that.

Modifié par redBadger14, 17 juin 2013 - 02:26 .

[jesuno]

redBadger14 wrote...

jesuno wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...
The PS4 demos were doing the EXACT same thing. This is nothing new, at all. It's not that MS or Sony have no faith in their product, its that they want to showcase their games on the most powerful tool possible, hence why PC's are there.

Is that true? Killzone looked impressive and if that was running on a PS4 well awesome. If not then I guess bullshots is all we've been shown.

It's possible but since we don't have picture evidence like with Microsoft I'm giving Sony's E3 showings the benefit of the doubt for now.

That's the problem, though. The fact someone is deliberately taking photo evidence of MS doing something that is industry-standard at E3 (almost) is proof enough that people are just trying to drum up reasons to hate MS, no matter how idiotic. 

I can get the DRM thing, which even then is seeming more and more like Steam the more I research it, but PC demos at E3? C'mon. Sony could sh*t ponies and rainbows and consumers would toss their money all over them XD

Battlefield 3 for instance was demoed solely on PC during E3 and all the other events DICE went to. When it released, it was outstanding on PC, and was surprisingly great on 360 (and PS3), considering the huge limitations of the consoles.

You honestly think there isn't some ultra XBox fanboy that was waiting to get pictures like that? And remember, this wouldn't have been an issue if Peter Moore (I know, not at MS anymore) had not of come out to say that all XB1 titles were being run on XB1 kits.

Yeah who really knows, anything can get a rise out of GAF and Reddit nowadays though.

And did someone confirm what the specs of those PC's were for the XB1 demos? If they were similar to that of XB1's, I suppose that counts as "XB1 dev kits" since XB1 runs on a Windows 8 kernel. But I really don't know.

Edit: Your link to LazyTechGuys was a good read, thank you for that.

Here is an article that shows the guy moving out of the way and showing what kind of hardware they had going. MS also is doing so bad on the information side I really do not know what to believe anymore, Major Nelson recently came out to say that the XBox twitter support guy was wrong, and that you only loss the multiplayer portion of games if you are banned.