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[The Heretic of Time]

For those of us who have been around for a longer time it might seem Nintendo has fallen from grace though.

Don't get me wrong, I still love Nintendo, but to me it feels like they're just merely a shadow of what they used to be, or what they could have been if they made some different (perhaps smarter) choices in the past (e.g. Nintendo ending their partnership with Sony when they were both working on a disk-based console together).

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 20 juin 2013 - 12:24 .

[MerinTB]

TheBlackBaron wrote...
But while it's easy to sell digital gaming to people who already have significant experience with it, and easy to sell digital gaming to families or whoever who don't have much experience with gaming period, I think it'd be a lot harder to convince them that the X1 can be their all-in-one entertainment system - which is clearly something they're banking on being a major selling point - if it can't play what they continue to getting most of their movies from. Part of it may be conservatism in an arena that, like I said, Microsoft doesn't have much involvement at all in compared to gaming. 

It's an excellent point nonetheless, and if Amazon is doing a significant amount of business in digitial moviesit's even better.

Without the disc drive, it would have been cheaper.  They wouldn't have to consider any of the costs of physical medium - shipping, retail store cut, packaging, etc, so they could sell the system for even cheaper.  They could sell the games for cheaper knowing there were no physical copy sales to worry about.

It might not have worked, but I honestly believe that if they hadn't included the Blu-ray drive they would have had a much stronger hand to play pushing "the future!"

TheBlackBaron wrote...

And THAT is ignoring Crackle, Redbox Instant, Zune/Xbox Live Marketplace, whatever PSN has, HBO Go, etc.  Granted, an episode of True Blood is like $4 to buy from Live, but it IS available.

Most of these are still streaming services, though, if I'm not mistaken. 

Zune (or if they are back to calling it Marketplace, whatever) allows you to rent or buy games, movies and music digitally for XBOX.   Redbox Instant is looking at digital sales, I'm fairly certain (I just learned about that one yesterday, in fact.)  I would bet you can buy digital movies on PSN, but I don't own any Sony products so I won't bet much.

[MerinTB]

Also - http://www.wired.com...used-games-drm/

"Gears of War designer Cliff Bleszinski was the latest high-profile developer to weigh in. “You cannot have game and marketing budgets this high while also having used and rental games existing. The numbers do NOT work people,” he wrote on Twitter.

For the sake of argument, let’s postulate that Bleszinski and his ilk are correct. Well, that doesn’t seem to have gotten them anywhere. Even if used games are taking money away from game developers, look what happens when you try to take the ability to share games away from players: They get really, really, really mad. So mad that the force of their combined rage explodes beyond even the boundaries of Internet messageboards. So mad that when they say they’re not going to buy an Xbox One and Microsoft can get stuffed forever, Microsoft actually believes it, and they actually cause a corporate goliath to engage in a lightning-quick, remarkably humbling turnaround of the policies that it had spent so much energy developing, explaining and defending.

Used games are killing sales of new ones? Looks more like used games were the only reason they were spending that much money in the first place: Pray tell, exactly how many new games will you sell if nobody
buys the console?"

So, yeah.

Modifié par MerinTB, 20 juin 2013 - 12:26 .

[ShepnTali]

^ Yes, you can buy digital movies on PSN.

[In Exile]

I'm not sure why people are celebrating yet. Has microsoft confirmed that you can actually use your xbox one everywhere in the world? Because they still have an initial online verification that's mandatory (like DA2 did).

[GodWood]

Disappointing. I was looking forward to the Xbone's colossal failure of a launch.

Oh well, still not buying it.

[ShepnTali]

Sega vs Nintendo is still the best console war era. 'More colors!' Oh yeah? 'Blast processing!'. lol... real face to face arguments. No internet.

[Overdosing]

GodWood wrote...

Disappointing. I was looking forward to the Xbone's colossal failure of a launch.

Oh well, still not buying it.

My thoughts exactly.

[OdanUrr]

In Exile wrote...

I'm not sure why people are celebrating yet. Has microsoft confirmed that you can actually use your xbox one everywhere in the world? Because they still have an initial online verification that's mandatory (like DA2 did).

I believe they have:

Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

Modifié par OdanUrr, 20 juin 2013 - 12:41 .

[In Exile]

MerinTB wrote...
Movies and their availability, digitally, is not an issue.  Streaming might be, but not owning.  Again, Amazon.

Unless you don't live in the US. A bunch of these services are not as well stocked or readily available in other countries. So the infrastructure just plain isn't there. 

Modifié par In Exile, 20 juin 2013 - 12:44 .

[In Exile]

OdanUrr wrote...
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

Ah, I didn't see that. Okay, well, then go user base! Except for the fact that kinetic will still watch you when you ******. But, you know, we lost this privacy battle when people started insulting their bosses on facebook while beings friends with them. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

So I heard that microsoft has come to their senses a little and fixed a lot of their drm mistakes.

That still good? Or did some other thing happen and we all got trolled?

[OdanUrr]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So I heard that microsoft has come to their senses a little and fixed a lot of their drm mistakes.

That still good? Or did some other thing happen and we all got trolled?

Still valid.

[Overdosing]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So I heard that microsoft has come to their senses a little and fixed a lot of their drm mistakes.

That still good? Or did some other thing happen and we all got trolled?

I hope they don't troll us with this.

[spirosz]

Curious, is anyone mad about the changes? I've seen a lot of complaints that the X1 is back to being the Xbox 360 2.0, in a sense. I disagree, but I'm wondering if anyone else has this same mindset.

[BouncyFrag]

spirosz wrote...

Curious, is anyone mad about the changes? I've seen a lot of complaints that the X1 is back to being the Xbox 360 2.0, in a sense. I disagree, but I'm wondering if anyone else has this same mindset.

Some people don't like this since they wanted MS to fail for the sake of failing. There shouldn't be that many people upset with these policies changing since they were bad ideas in the first place.

[spirosz]

That's the thing though, I've seen certain people stating that these new changes are a step backwards and is restricting the "advancement" of gaming, or console gaming.

[Lord Sullivan]

OdanUrr wrote...
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

From what I'm reading from this and reading between the lines is that, they state that digital downloads won't
be sharable or resellable.

That means if they realease all future XBOX One releases exclusively by the means of downloads... yall are
screwed.

Means noting is really changed

[Ryzaki]

GodWood wrote...

Disappointing. I was looking forward to the Xbone's colossal failure of a launch.

Oh well, still not buying it.

I somehwat feel this way.

But more competition is good.

Still seeing the glorious failure and seeing MS's "Oh they'll buy it anyway and 1 billion SALES!" bite them in the ass would've been glorious.

[Ryzaki]

spirosz wrote...

That's the thing though, I've seen certain people stating that these new changes are a step backwards and is restricting the "advancement" of gaming, or console gaming.

I've seen this.

Honestly I feel for them but...MS wasn't going to do pure digital any justice.

[OdanUrr]

spirosz wrote...

That's the thing though, I've seen certain people stating that these new changes are a step backwards and is restricting the "advancement" of gaming, or console gaming.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. The fact is it's up to society (console gamers in this case) to embrace these changes are we're clearly not there yet. Personally, I think Microsoft went about it the wrong way. What they needed to do was bolster the digital marketplace by having discounted sales and allowing the trading and re-selling of digital games. They needed to implement new features that would encourage gamers to go digital/online without sacrificing the community that simply wants to play games offline.

They also need to convince people that Kinect 2.0 is a worthwhile investment but that's another matter.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 20 juin 2013 - 01:33 .

[OdanUrr]

I was just reminded of something by TotalBiscuit and that is the "cloud." If publishers develop games that require the cloud, we're still operating under a form of DRM.

[Galbrant]

Oh thank god they change their mind. Well all they need to do now is allow me to buy the box without the kinect or allow me to unplug the damn thing and shelf it somewhere and I'm sold.