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[ObserverStatus]

Ravensword wrote...
There, there. *drapes blanket over your back*

But... but Microsoft had a dream! They dreamed that they could stop used games from killing the industry, that they could seemlessly integrate social media into their console, that we could grant our family members access to 45 minute demos of our games... but we killed their dream! How could we? 

[OdanUrr]

Dave of Canada wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...
Not if the console remains offline.

Then they'd get away with one game, would have no way of playing multiplayer and cannot download DLC. Going online would also have them be perma-banned.

You make very good points.

[MerinTB]

Did anyone else post this yet?

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One need only look at the PC and its dominant digital market to see
how far major publishers can be trusted. Steam is its own DRM. When you
buy a game from Steam, it's about as protected from piracy as it can
get. That didn't stop companies like Electronic Arts and Ubisoft from
sticking their own DRM in on top of Steam's protection. Be it
SecuROM or constant Internet connections, these publishers were so
paranoid and desperate for a sense of control they crammed extra
restrictions on top of existing ones. 
And to linger further on Electronic Arts, this is the same company
that said, five years ago, games need to stop all coming out at $60. CEO
John Riccitiello said companies need to explore cheaper games and
flexible pricing. Did EA lead the charge? Did it ****! Instead, it
produced Origin, its own digital service where it could handle
distribution and do away with physical production ... and still charges $60 per game. 
People could argue that EA still relies on retail and can't afford to
tread on its toes. What, exactly, was Xbox One doing to change that?
Retail was still a massive part of Microsoft's plans. GameStop,
the pretend villain of the game industry, was going to be looked after,
because the game industry is in league with it. 
Some suggest we'll see an increase in pre-order bonuses, but again,
such things are still all over the ****ing PC market. Going all-digital
doesn't change that. Companies will still use these things to try and
desperately entice gamers, with exclusive pre-order DLC on various
online store fronts, and "digital deluxe" editions that allow a company
to charge $80 for a bunch of virtual goods. This is **** already
happening in the increasingly digital PC market, and the idea that
companies would suddenly stop a gravy train in full motion is almost
child-like. That we all could believe in faeries!

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www.destructoid.com/an-industry-that-needs-xbox-one-drm-is-a-failed-industry-256643.phtml

[Ravensword]

bobobo878 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
There, there. *drapes blanket over your back*

But... but Microsoft had a dream! They dreamed that they could stop used games from killing the industry, that they could seemlessly integrate social media into their console, that we could grant our family members access to 45 minute demos of our games... but we killed their dream! How could we? 

"I have dreamed a dream and now that dream is gone from me."

Modifié par Ravensword, 21 juin 2013 - 12:16 .

[OdanUrr]

MerinTB wrote...

Did anyone else post this yet?

(...)

www.destructoid.com/an-industry-that-needs-xbox-one-drm-is-a-failed-industry-256643.phtml

I had read the article but I'm not sure it was posted here before. It's pretty much what Jim's been saying for a while now, nothing new there. And if we're being meticulous here, Steam's DRM can be circumvented.

[MerinTB]

Also -

"Are you on the development team?  Then how do you know (removing the DRM) is easy?"

[MerinTB]

OdanUrr wrote...
And if we're being meticulous here, Steam's ALL DRM can be circumvented.

Corrected that for you.

BEFORE THE LAUNCH of Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty, you could download a cracked, playable version of the Single Player campaign.

They will not stop pirates nor hackers.  They won't.

Best you can do is make it more convenient and worth you time to legitimately get something than it is to torrent / crack it.

[OdanUrr]

MerinTB wrote...

Also -

"Are you on the development team?  Then how do you know (removing the DRM) is easy?"

Ah, irony at its finest!

[AshedMan]

MerinTB wrote...

Also -

"Are you on the development team?  Then how do you know (removing the DRM) is easy?"

Major Nelson owes Angry Joe a public apology.

[MegaSovereign]

Angry Joe must have joined the development team.

[Overdosing]

MerinTB wrote...

Also -

"Are you on the development team?  Then how do you know (removing the DRM) is easy?"

Haha to Major Nelson.

[GreyLycanTrope]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Angry Joe must have joined the development team.

Sure seems that way.

[Salamander Soup]

The people that liked the digital DRM and stuff, thought it was "the future" and jumped on the "cloud gaming FTW" train are clearly a minority. Cloud gaming....lol. Hey, let's take all of our digital possessions and let Microsoft have them, on their cloud storage, with their rules, and its totally awesome and so the future and is amazing because its Xbox!! Oh my goodness, Xbox! Xbox! Omg, I get a massive boner just seeing that Xbox symbol!

[ObserverStatus]

EntropicAngel wrote...
The only real problem I have with this kind of opinion is that some of the people who go around bashing this type of thing (DRM) swear by Steam.

When it comes down to it, it's all about the money. Personally I hate most forms of DRM on principle, but I'm wiling to put up with it for the right price. Steam's DRM is not as much of a nuisance as always online or securom, and is not such an indignity that I would reject the savings. You may not be able to resell steam titles, but if you get them on sale, than you will usually save more money than you would have by buying it on disk and reselling it anyway.

[NeonFlux117]

I think it was here or on youtube that I said that microsoft and the xbox are not finished. Not by a longshot. And now numbers are backing it up. They're back it the game. Now it comes down to exclusives and quality of service.


http://www.nbcnews.c...ions-6C10398980

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 21 juin 2013 - 09:12 .

[billy the squid]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I guess there's nothing else to say except that the current system is valid, but I disagree with it in principle. It's pretty much a system that sets its participants up for failure.

If the participants fail then they deserve to, and they set themselves up for failure. They've got no one to blame but themselves. If the likes of SquareEnix sell 3.5 million copies of Tomb Raider in a month (£140,000,000) and still consider it a failure, then they deserve to fail. £140 million? What thehell are they doing that they don't consider £140 million successful? How have their budgets become so inefficient and bloated that this was not enough?

Modifié par billy the squid, 21 juin 2013 - 09:19 .

[billy the squid]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Salamander Soup wrote...

The people that liked the digital DRM and stuff, thought it was "the future" and jumped on the "cloud gaming FTW" train are clearly a minority. Cloud gaming....lol. Hey, let's take all of our digital possessions and let Microsoft have them, on their cloud storage, with their rules, and its totally awesome and so the future and is amazing because its Xbox!! Oh my goodness, Xbox! Xbox! Omg, I get a massive boner just seeing that Xbox symbol!

The only real problem I have with this kind of opinion is that some of the people who go around bashing this type of thing (DRM) swear by Steam.

I don't think anyone has any illusions about what Steam is, the difference being that Steam has not used the system as a cynical attempt to line it's pockets at the expense of gamers, it actually can't, not with the competition it has. MS yeah, not so much. If Origin has taught us anything, it is that once a company establishes a monopoly or at least significant control over part of the market, it's going to use that control to gouge people at every opportunity it can.

[GodWood]

Mob Rules: The Destructive Power of Opinion and Online Community

Adam Orth To Give Speech On Online Toxicity

[Dave of Canada]

Seems Orth and Microsoft share the same opinion on trying to spite everyone and dismiss the fact that they were gigantic jerkasses to anyone who had legitimate concerns.

[Clips7]

I didn't go thru the last few pages, but MS policies was just too restrictive and focused on consumer control...the only reason they reversed their view was because they was getting slammed in the pre-order dept and saw that they was about to lose alot of the market-share and this thing called "MONEY".

These types of things affects stocks as well and if you make investors nervous...well you see how fast they sell your stock....this move pleases investors and makes the consumer happy...just don't think that they did it for consumers tho...since just a few days prior they was determined to stick to these incredibly ridiculous consumer controlling policies....

Modifié par Clips7, 21 juin 2013 - 12:42 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

GodWood wrote...

Mob Rules: The Destructive Power of Opinion and Online Community

Adam Orth To Give Speech On Online Toxicity

Why would anyone live there attend this event?

[AshedMan]

GodWood wrote...

Mob Rules: The Destructive Power of Opinion and Online Community

Adam Orth To Give Speech On Online Toxicity

Sounds like it's going to be one big boohoo, woe-is-me event.  

Modifié par AshedMan, 21 juin 2013 - 01:19 .