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[Blind2Society]

Zazzerka wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

Did my posting that offend you?

If so...

Not at all. I was hoping you'd pick up on the BSN inside joke, however.

Ah, went way over my head.

[Eternal Napalm]

Are those Wii U numbers from UK accurate? If so, we know where the gamers with horrible or no internet access went to. Obviously.

[HiddenInWar]

So there wont be a "PS4 has no games" trope by the end of any of this?

[LPPrince]

There won't be any "So and So console has no games" trope by the end of E3.

[LPPrince]

Isn't Wii U supposed to have Smash?

[Eternal Napalm]

According to Microsoft, if you're backwards compatible, you are backwards. Actual quote from Don Mattock or whoever very close to exactly that

Yeah. Gaikai Cloud on PS4 will give me backwards compatibility for PS1, 2, 3 and all handhelds.

Modifié par Eternal Napalm, 24 mai 2013 - 06:35 .

[LPPrince]

If Gaikai Cloud works as intended, which I hope it does. Sounds great.

[ObserverStatus]

J. Reezy wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
There won't be any "So and So console has no games" trope by the end of E3.

We'll see. No games that interest me are out on the Wii U outside of Super Mario Bros U which is why I haven't considered buying one.

*gasps* no games interest you outside of Super Mario Bros U? Not even "Metroid Other U"?

[LPPrince]

J. Reezy wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Isn't Wii U supposed to have Smash?

Oh. Yeah that too. Two games not. Enough. Need more. /dietzstylewriting

Hugs you. So hard. Right. Now. /dietzstylewriting

[Allan Schumacher]

MerinTB wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...
The only reason why you let Valve do the same things that MS (specifically phrased this way to drive the point home) is because you trust them more. It has little to do with the specific features, functions, or capability, and much more to do with whether or not you feel like you're not going to get ripped off.

Allan, just answer this:

You DO know that you don't have to be online to play Steam games once they are installed, right?

Yes I do.

And, if you are feeling generous to me, also answer this:

You have seen that Valve/Steam not only continues to support it's old games (Counterstrike) where MS/Games For X doesn't (Halo?), but that Microsoft pricing of digital items stinks on ice as compared to Valve pricing of digital items.  I mean, you can compare Amazon to Steam, or maybe Stardock, but Zune/Games For X/ Xbox Marketplace?  You do know that Microsoft's digital platforms and Valve's are not at all equal, right?

Given that I've stated that it seems like Microsoft is looking to adopt a Steam method, I figure it was pretty clearly implied that I do not feel that Microsoft's digital platform and Valve's are at all equal.

If I did think they were equal, I wouldn't be saying that it looks like the Xbox One was moving to a platform more like Steam, since it'd already be there then.

[MissOuJ]

Eternal Napalm wrote...

According to Microsoft, if you're backwards compatible, you are backwards. Actual quote from Don Mattock or whoever very close to exactly that

Yeah. Gaikai Cloud on PS4 will give me backwards compatibility for PS1, 2, 3 and all handhelds.

Well, if I have understood correctly, to have a backwards compatible console you'd need to include the old hard ware into your new console which could(/would?) hold back the new console performance-wise, so technically he is kinda right. Though I have to say Sony worked around this problem beautifully by integrating Cloud gaming into the PS4 like this, althought it only applies to people with good internet connections, so it's not perfect either.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 24 mai 2013 - 09:43 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Well, I'm waiting for more info as of how it will work, but for me, the X1 one is a guaranteed no-buy.

But that has more to do with the fact that I use Gamefly for all of my games. And from what we've seen of the current model, Gamefly or any rental service would be completely and totally rendered useless.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Nintendo WiiU sales Jumps 875% after Xbox One reveal

That is just all kinds of hilarious.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 24 mai 2013 - 10:37 .

[MerinTB]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
Given that I've stated that it seems like Microsoft is looking to adopt a Steam method, I figure it was pretty clearly implied that I do not feel that Microsoft's digital platform and Valve's are at all equal.

If I did think they were equal, I wouldn't be saying that it looks like the Xbox One was moving to a platform more like Steam, since it'd already be there then.

Now I'll enter into speculation as well.

What makes you think they are entering into a Steam model?  What is the "Steam model" they are adopting?

Digital sales?  They've been doing that with Games for Windows/Games for Live/Xbox Live/Zune for sometime now.  So you can't mean digital sales.

Digital activation of games?  Again, they've already been doing this with Games for Windows (thinking Fallout 3, for example, and Shadowrun.)  And if your Xbox 360 is online and you try to play a game it tells you that you have to update or it won't play - is that activation for gameplay, no, but it's a simple step to.

Always on DRM?  Steam doesn't actually do that.

Excellent customer support with stuff like Greenlight, Steamworks, maintaining forums and servers for even older games?  Well, Live already had something close-ish to Greenlight (well, a marketplace for indie games at least) and, as far as I know, any game with multiplayer on the 360 will continue forward to be multi-playerable since Live is just being added to by the One and not replaced like the old Xbox online service, so technically they are already doing this as well if you ignore the original Xbox (and, you know, Microsoft PC games.)  Customer service quality is a matter of opinion, and I'm sure they'd LIKE to be considered to have great customer service, but they aren't known for it like Steam/Valve is.  And they COULD add a Steamworks-like capability to Live, but we've seen no sign of them doing it so... you can't mean that as you'd be straight-up guessing.

What is it that you see the Xbox One adopting from Steam, exactly?

[Ryzaki]

alright so apparently you can sell (to certain retailers) no more private sales and trading though.

Meh. So people are stuck with BS trading prices. Lame. Can't even gift a used game to a friend anymore =/

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mai 2013 - 01:39 .

[AventuroLegendary]

 

LPPrince wrote...
Isn't Wii U supposed to have Smash?

Apparently, so is the 3DS 

[GodChildInTheMachine]

Ryzaki wrote...

alright so apparently you can sell (to certain retailers) no more private sales and trading though.

Meh. So people are stuck with BS trading prices. Lame. Can't even gift a used game to a friend anymore =/

If that is the way they actually take it, that would be a deal-breaker for me. I was interested to see how their new system would work. If you could freely trade and gift games with other users it really wouldn't have been that bad.

It would actually be kind of cool for there to be a digital trading market and you could still 'borrow' games from friends.

Fast Jimmy up there said that he rents all of his games - they could easily have made their own rental service as well. They could have stolen the market share of businesses like Gamefly and taken a percentage of any peer-to-peer online sales such as Ebay would.

This, though, is a poor substitute for either of those things, and an obvious attempt to leech whatever they can out of consumers. It is also really, really stupid. They are going to change the market forever and they are doing it in a way that brooks no good will at all.

Even with Steam, one can freely trade and gift games to whomever they wish.

[Anacronian Stryx]

http://www.vg247.com...xbox-360-units/

Xbox One: Microsoft aims for 1 billion lifetime sales, 100 million Xbox 360 units

Microsoft’s senior vice president of Interactive Entertainment Business Yusuf Mehdi has stated that given the broad multimedia focus of Xbox One, there’s no reason why it can’t shift between 400 million and 1 billion consoles in its lifetime. He said the company is also angling for 100 million Xbox 360 console sales in the next five years.

Speaking with OXM, Mehdi said of Microsoft’s hopes for Xbox 360, “We believe over the next five years we can break a 100 million unit installed base. That’s something we’re shooting for, it’s not a financial plan as such, it’s just rough numbers if you will.

“To sell another 25 million, half of those will probably come from replacements, but half will come from new buyers. And the way we’ll break into those segments is by hitting new price points, getting new classes of entertainment to come with the Xbox, and breaking into new customer segments. So you’ll see the Xbox 360 continue to exist, even as we launch the next generation Xbox One.”

On the subject of Xbox One sales and the growth of the market with the herald of next-gen formats, Mehdi continued, “Every generation, as you’ve probably heard, has grown approximately 30%. So this generation is about 300 million units. Most industry experts think the next generation will get upwards of about 400 million units. That’s if it’s a game console, over the next decade.

“We think you can go broader than a game console, that’s our aim, and you can go from 400 million to potentially upwards of a billion units. That’s how we’re thinking of the Xbox opportunity as we go forward.”

Wait..

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 24 mai 2013 - 02:27 .

[Brockololly]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
Given that I've stated that it seems like Microsoft is looking to adopt a Steam method, I figure it was pretty clearly implied that I do not feel that Microsoft's digital platform and Valve's are at all equal.

If I did think they were equal, I wouldn't be saying that it looks like the Xbox One was moving to a platform more like Steam, since it'd already be there then.

I don't want to put words in your mouth Allan, but I guess what you're saying is that when it comes to Xbox One seeming like its similar to Steam, thats mostly in its authentication and digital focus? Like Steam, it seems like MS is moving towards having games on accounts for one's collection and not necessarily games as physical media.

MerinTB wrote...
What is it that you see the Xbox One adopting from Steam, exactly?

From what info is available, it seems like MS is adopting the same basic model of having all games be tied to an account and downplaying the importance of a disk, just like Steam. You can buy a physical Steamworks game like New Vegas or Skyrim but all the disk is doing is making it so you don't have to download multiple GBs of data to install your game.


All that said, right now I'm only a PC gamer. However I've seriously been thinking of maybe buying one of these consoles when they come out. If anything, I've historically leaned towards MS as I still have my original Xbox and love it. Yet, everything I've read about the Xbox One doesn't seem to capitalize on the unique aspects of console gaming that I once expected.

Back in the day, the nice differentiating factors in console gaming's favor were the fact that you could simply stick a disk in and play. No installing, no patching, no online authentication and so forth. That's gone. And then it seems like Xbox One wants to step away even more from the physical media model that console gaming has historically been based on, limiting used game sales or even the ability for  friend to borrow a game or rent a game.

As a PC gamer looking into getting a console, I don't really see any huge reason to go for Xbox One over PS4. The stuff Xbox is doing makes it seem like a very limited and locked down PC- a PC with very few of the benefits of PC gaming.

[OdanUrr]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

http://www.vg247.com...xbox-360-units/

Xbox One: Microsoft aims for 1 billion lifetime sales, 100 million Xbox 360 units

Microsoft’s senior vice president of Interactive Entertainment Business Yusuf Mehdi has stated that given the broad multimedia focus of Xbox One, there’s no reason why it can’t shift between 400 million and 1 billion consoles in its lifetime. He said the company is also angling for 100 million Xbox 360 console sales in the next five years.

Speaking with OXM, Mehdi said of Microsoft’s hopes for Xbox 360, “We believe over the next five years we can break a 100 million unit installed base. That’s something we’re shooting for, it’s not a financial plan as such, it’s just rough numbers if you will.

“To sell another 25 million, half of those will probably come from replacements, but half will come from new buyers. And the way we’ll break into those segments is by hitting new price points, getting new classes of entertainment to come with the Xbox, and breaking into new customer segments. So you’ll see the Xbox 360 continue to exist, even as we launch the next generation Xbox One.”

On the subject of Xbox One sales and the growth of the market with the herald of next-gen formats, Mehdi continued, “Every generation, as you’ve probably heard, has grown approximately 30%. So this generation is about 300 million units. Most industry experts think the next generation will get upwards of about 400 million units. That’s if it’s a game console, over the next decade.

“We think you can go broader than a game console, that’s our aim, and you can go from 400 million to potentially upwards of a billion units. That’s how we’re thinking of the Xbox opportunity as we go forward.”

Wait..

If they're working with those projections...

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

http://www.vg247.com...xbox-360-units/

Xbox One: Microsoft aims for 1 billion lifetime sales, 100 million Xbox 360 units

Microsoft’s senior vice president of Interactive Entertainment Business Yusuf Mehdi has stated that given the broad multimedia focus of Xbox One, there’s no reason why it can’t shift between 400 million and 1 billion consoles in its lifetime. He said the company is also angling for 100 million Xbox 360 console sales in the next five years.

Speaking with OXM, Mehdi said of Microsoft’s hopes for Xbox 360, “We believe over the next five years we can break a 100 million unit installed base. That’s something we’re shooting for, it’s not a financial plan as such, it’s just rough numbers if you will.

“To sell another 25 million, half of those will probably come from replacements, but half will come from new buyers. And the way we’ll break into those segments is by hitting new price points, getting new classes of entertainment to come with the Xbox, and breaking into new customer segments. So you’ll see the Xbox 360 continue to exist, even as we launch the next generation Xbox One.”

On the subject of Xbox One sales and the growth of the market with the herald of next-gen formats, Mehdi continued, “Every generation, as you’ve probably heard, has grown approximately 30%. So this generation is about 300 million units. Most industry experts think the next generation will get upwards of about 400 million units. That’s if it’s a game console, over the next decade.

“We think you can go broader than a game console, that’s our aim, and you can go from 400 million to potentially upwards of a billion units. That’s how we’re thinking of the Xbox opportunity as we go forward.”

Wait..

He sure is optimistic.



"1 Billion Units!"

Modifié par CrustyBot, 24 mai 2013 - 02:35 .

[Ryzaki]

Hehehe didn't Sony say something similar with the PS3?

[RedArmyShogun]

What don't these people get about the fact that if I want a smart TV, or a game System, or a Cable TV service I can you know, JUST BUY THEM. All in one items like the Xbox one do not perform well in a given role as something that is made to do that task alone...honestly this gen sucks.