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[spirosz]

"Entertainment" can be easily accessed through EASIER methods and cheaper.

[Battlebloodmage]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Regarding the fees for used games, will Microsoft pocket the money for themselves or give it to the game maker's companies?

My expectation is that it'd be like any other game sale.  It'd probably be inviting all sorts of bad legal scrutiny to bank all the money themselves.  It'd also not really foster positive relationships with third party developers.

Wouldn't the third party own the intellectual property of the products? I don't how Microsoft can keep all the money without legal rammification from the developers. Even if Microsoft's willing to share the money, could the developers negotiate the percentage or will it be a set percentage? 

On the other hand, when you buy a used game from gamestop, the developers usually get nothing as well since they were paid in full the

[ShepnTali]

It seems to me the gap between PCs and consoles are narrowing, and graphic superiority will almost become a thing of myth. We're about to the point where the games are in motion, the eye won't distinguish or process the differences.

[The Hierophant]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Regarding the fees for used games, will Microsoft pocket the money for themselves or give it to the game maker's companies?

My expectation is that it'd be like any other game sale.  It'd probably be inviting all sorts of bad legal scrutiny to bank all the money themselves.  It'd also not really foster positive relationships with third party developers.

True, i expect that too but it's interesting to see how this all pans out pre, and post launch.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

EA must be doing a happy dance at the minute they are no longer the most hated gaming company.

[Allan Schumacher]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Wouldn't the third party own the intellectual property of the products? I don't how Microsoft can keep all the money without legal rammification from the developers. Even if Microsoft's willing to share the money, could the developers negotiate the percentage or will it be a set percentage? 

On the other hand, when you buy a used game from gamestop, the developers usually get nothing as well since they were paid in full the

Perhaps I wasn't super clear, but when I said "like any other game sale" I meant that the money distribution would be the same as if someone went into a store or bought it online.

In other words, that Microsoft would not get all the money.

[Ravensword]

J. Reezy wrote...

spirosz wrote...

The specs itself, aren't garbage - PS4 is a bit more powerful and the PC will always be high end, but as it should be, the new Xbox won't be "garbage" unless they forget what their main selling point is; games.

Here's where you kind of messed up. "Entertainment" is Xbox's main selling point, not specifically games. It's been that before this reveal. I've accepted that, and have moved on.

I think w/ the new XBox, Microsoft is attempting to diversify. They're into making an all-in-one entertainment center and peripheral w/ this new console at the expense of gaming; gaming on the XBox One seems almost an afterthought.

Modifié par Ravensword, 22 mai 2013 - 11:17 .

[AresKeith]

DinoSteve wrote...

EA must be doing a happy dance at the minute they are no longer the most hated gaming company.

They wish

[Doctoglethorpe]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

In any case, it seems like the console is adopting a delivery method very similar to Steam

Exactly, thank you voice of reason on internetstubes. 

As a PC gamer, I don't see much in Xbox One that I'm not already used to.  No used games, haven't had that for years.  Online checks, had that for years.  BFD. 

Internet is goin through its predictable reaction stage.  Microsoft focused on the multimedia side of the machine at the show, even though they told everyone weeks in advance that they were going to save the games for E3, so everyone is complaining at the lack of game focus.  Nobody listens apparently.

My question is, do people actually want the thing to only play games or something?  Is there really a problem with it doing other thigns?  You have to admit, it does make TV better, if your into that.  Do people not want it to play movies, netflix, etc?  Cause they sure use those features a lot for somethign they act like they don't want.  We're in the post-console era now.  Wii-U really will probably be the last true dedicated gaming console.  Is that what people really want?  Doesn't seem like it...

I can actually see how amazing the Xb1 is for multimedia.  Gamers can tunnel vision all they want and ignore its qualities to riff on it being less video game focused then they want, and if playing games is really all they care about, then Xb1 obviously isn't for them.  But I think its conservative minded to expect consoles today to be like they were 10 years ago, dedicated gaming machines.  They just arent anymore, welcome to the future where yoru phone is a ****in camera.  And to claim that people who do care about the multimedia stuff are just the "dumb casuals" is ubsurd.  I care about the multimedia and I've bought over 200 games on steam in the last 2 years since I BUILT MY OWN PC.  So don't generalize.  (them, not you person I quoted)

[Battlebloodmage]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Wouldn't the third party own the intellectual property of the products? I don't how Microsoft can keep all the money without legal rammification from the developers. Even if Microsoft's willing to share the money, could the developers negotiate the percentage or will it be a set percentage? 

On the other hand, when you buy a used game from gamestop, the developers usually get nothing as well since they were paid in full the

Perhaps I wasn't super clear, but when I said "like any other game sale" I meant that the money distribution would be the same as if someone went into a store or bought it online.

In other words, that Microsoft would not get all the money.

Oh, I see, I guess I misread your post, although I'm not sure if the other developers can do anything if they decide to keep the money. It's a used game, and if the developers don't usually get paid for when they buy a physical used game, I don't see how they should get paid for a used digital game. I'm not sure if there's some kind of laws that differentiate a physical copy with a digital one.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 22 mai 2013 - 11:23 .

[Ravensword]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

In any case, it seems like the console is adopting a delivery method very similar to Steam

Exactly, thank you voice of reason on internetstubes. 

As a PC gamer, I don't see much in Xbox One that I'm not already used to.  No used games, haven't had that for years.  Online checks, had that for years.  BFD. 

Internet is goin through its predictable reaction stage.  Microsoft focused on the multimedia side of the machine at the show, even though they told everyone weeks in advance that they were going to save the games for E3, so everyone is complaining at the lack of game focus.  Nobody listens apparently.

My question is, do people actually want the thing to only play games or something?  Is there really a problem with it doing other thigns?  You have to admit, it does make TV better, if your into that.  Do people not want it to play movies, netflix, etc?  Cause they sure use those features a lot for somethign they act like they don't want.  We're in the post-console era now.  Wii-U really will probably be the last true dedicated gaming console.  Is that what people really want?  Doesn't seem like it...

I can actually see how amazing the Xb1 is for multimedia.  Gamers can tunnel vision all they want and ignore its qualities to riff on it being less video game focused then they want, and if playing games is really all they care about, then Xb1 obviously isn't for them.  But I think its conservative minded to expect consoles today to be like they were 10 years ago, dedicated gaming machines.  They just arent anymore, welcome to the future where yoru phone is a ****in camera.  And to claim that people who do care about the multimedia stuff are just the "dumb casuals" is ubsurd.  I care about the multimedia and I've bought over 200 games on steam in the last 2 years since I BUILT MY OWN PC.  So don't generalize.  (them, not you person I quoted)

You built your own PC?

[Ridwan]

Honestly seeing the new xbox reminded me of the betamax players back in the 80's.



and all of the functions makes the Xboxone sound like a glorified remote control.

Modifié par M25105, 22 mai 2013 - 11:37 .

[ShepnTali]

 Concerning Xbox One, this Twitter poll is downright ugly....


www.pushsquare.com/news/2013/05/playstation_4_stomps_xbox_one_in_online_twitter_poll

Modifié par ShepnTali, 22 mai 2013 - 11:37 .

[Ravensword]

J. Reezy wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

spirosz wrote...

The specs itself, aren't garbage - PS4 is a bit more powerful and the PC will always be high end, but as it should be, the new Xbox won't be "garbage" unless they forget what their main selling point is; games.

Here's where you kind of messed up. "Entertainment" is Xbox's main selling point, not specifically games. It's been that before this reveal. I've accepted that, and have moved on.

I think w/ the new XBox, Microsoft is attempting to diversify. They're into making an all in one entertainment center peripheral w/ this new console at the expense of gaming; gaming on the XBox One seems almost an afterthought.

That's how I'm looking at it too. I'm pretty sure they said "TV" a lot more during the conference than anything particularly involving games combined.The gamer in me is very disappointed at this transition but then I know there are other options out there. So I'm starting to just look at the situation and say, "If that's what you wanna do then that's what you wanna do. I'll just leave." I don't mind criticizing them when I get the chance though. Like I said, the gamer in me is disappointed.

It's just a multimedia center. It's kind of hard to see Microsoft making TVs, computers, phones, etc. as they are mostly a sfotware company, but I can see them slowly entering that market as well, and they seem to be doing so w/ the XBox One. You can't really begrudge Microsoft for making that decision as they have the right to run their business as they see fit and if turning what used to primarily be a gaming console into a multimedia entertainment center--thereby sending many gamers running for the hills--then so be it. Lotsa luck, Microsoft.

[LPPrince]

I just listed the things I could remember about the X1 in a PM and realized that it actually doesn't sound that bad to me, concerning how I play my games(I'm always online anyway, I never lend my games, etc etc).

I'm open-minded to the X1 and PS4 both. I'm not at all behind the fuss everyone's making, though I understand it.

[OdanUrr]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

My question is, do people actually want the thing to only play games or something?  Is there really a problem with it doing other thigns?

There's no problem with the console doing other things so long as it works properly and those features aren't region-locked. I fear neither will be the case.

[Allan Schumacher]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Oh, I see, I guess I misread your post, although I'm not sure if the other developers can do anything if they decide to keep the money. It's a used game, and if the developers don't usually get paid for when they buy a physical used game, I don't see how they should get paid for a used digital game. I'm not sure if there's some kind of laws that differentiate a physical copy with a digital one.

The difference is that it comes across as more a sale of a license, rather than the transfer of a physical good.  Especially if all games must be installed on the hard drive, and that they do not require the disc to play (more similarities to Steam).  The fact that the disc isn't required is probably a big motivator for this decision too, as unlike past "borrowing" of games, you just install it on the machine and you don't need the disc anymore.  As such, it'd make casual piracy trivial.

Selling a disc via gamestop is still selling a physical good.  Microsoft saying "Thanks for all your money" while more clearly selling a license is a bit different than Gamestop buying and selling physical media.  Especially given that the "fee" you pay will effectively be what the current price of the game is (likely through digital means).

[LPPrince]

OdanUrr wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

My question is, do people actually want the thing to only play games or something?  Is there really a problem with it doing other thigns?

There's no problem with the console doing other things so long as it works properly and those features aren't region-locked. I fear neither will be the case.

Tell that to the masses. Microsoft decided to save the gaming focus for E3 and people went crazy.

Had they shown a bunch of games yesterday and showed yesterday's stuff at E3, people would be going even crazier. Sony would steal the show with the PS4 reveal, unless for whatever reason that induces similar reactions.

[This is the End My Friend]

Legatus Arianus wrote...

Enough is enough. No more XBox thread!

[OdanUrr]

LPPrince wrote...

Tell that to the masses. Microsoft decided to save the gaming focus for E3 and people went crazy.

Had they shown a bunch of games yesterday and showed yesterday's stuff at E3, people would be going even crazier. Sony would steal the show with the PS4 reveal, unless for whatever reason that induces similar reactions.

Sony will probably steal the show at E3 with the PS4 reveal unless Microsoft reveals some amazing exclusives.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

All Sony need to say to win the console war is: We will not have game registration and we will not block used games. They don't even need to have an E3 show.