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[crimzontearz]

billy the squid wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I am just reporting info man, that is what was said, also the 2 cores reservation has to do with the jaguar architecture and how partitioning works there, they explain that on a tech site.

Also whether a feature kicks in when you push a button or not they still need to have the dedicated resources

Jaguar is not 'using' Bobcat architecture. Jaguar is the successor to Bobcat. It's a new architecture that is *substantially* improved from Bobcat. Tests have shown about 15% better performance at the same clockspeed and it's capable of reaching higher clockspeeds.

Sony has already stated that there's another secondary processor with hardware video encoding/decoding that handles all the sharing and OS stuff. And audio processing. Few PCs have dedicated audio DSPs, but that's because the amount of processing needed to do audio is so small it doesn't even make a dent in the CPU load. The idea that an entire core would be dedicated to it is laughable.

and yet that is what the Ratloop Asia developer is saying, 3 gig for OS and 2 cores...the rest dedicated to gaming, notice Sony has not said anything about tue partitioning and it is all speculation what is being used as a figure online.


 
Still, Sony still has de facto the best GPU

[billy the squid]

crimzontearz wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I am just reporting info man, that is what was said, also the 2 cores reservation has to do with the jaguar architecture and how partitioning works there, they explain that on a tech site.

Also whether a feature kicks in when you push a button or not they still need to have the dedicated resources

Jaguar is not 'using' Bobcat architecture. Jaguar is the successor to Bobcat. It's a new architecture that is *substantially* improved from Bobcat. Tests have shown about 15% better performance at the same clockspeed and it's capable of reaching higher clockspeeds.

Sony has already stated that there's another secondary processor with hardware video encoding/decoding that handles all the sharing and OS stuff. And audio processing. Few PCs have dedicated audio DSPs, but that's because the amount of processing needed to do audio is so small it doesn't even make a dent in the CPU load. The idea that an entire core would be dedicated to it is laughable.

and yet that is what the Ratloop Asia developer is saying, 3 gig for OS and 2 cores...the rest dedicated to gaming, notice Sony has not said anything about tue partitioning and it is all speculation what is being used as a figure online.


 
Still, Sony still has de facto the best GPU

And Geoff, the Dorito's Pope, Keighley said Sony will have Drm, he learnt from a "source." Lots of crap flying about at the moment.

The X1's issues are fairly accurate and have either been confirmed or the tech has been pulled apart. The PS4 there are still a few question marks over it, but some parts have been either confirmed by Sony themselves or it's not out of the question, based on what we know of the tech, as the logical conclusion. 

Other than the main OS, what else is there to operate in there? We know Sony has an attatched processor for the share system it's implemented. Which leaves the question of what is the other 2 GB used for in the PS4, X1 we have the Kinect, TV and Windows 8 as the OS  horrid bloated piece of crap that it is. 

That's what I mean by a few qestion marks over the PS4, it's not all clear and there are some holes in why it would need 3GB only for the OS.

Modifié par billy the squid, 28 mai 2013 - 04:46 .

[billy the squid]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

People who say that the X1 is going to fail reminds me of the people who always say that the new CoD will be the last one. Never underestimate the power of a familiar name and brand. People buy what's familiar to them. Many people love their 360s because they can play online one minute, then watch Netflix with their family the next, then they can play a Kinect game with their kid or younger sibling. Honestly, companies don't give a rat's ass about the hardcore market's opinion. The hardcore market doesn't keep gaming alive, not these days anyways.There are far more people that find an all in one option enticing than people who think it's a bad thing. There are the people who will absolutely love the novelty of being able to voice command everything on the Xbox. People have been waiting years to stream live TV on their consoles. Microsoft is correct in saying that there are a lot of people who will buy anything. That's why microtransactions are in everything, because they work.

People are saying "it's the PS3 all over again!" Funny, because it seems that the PS3 did just fine in the end.

And if you think for a second that the PS4 won't have it's infuriating aspects, then you are kidding yourself.

Silence and smart PR =/= Consumer friendly.

X1 won't fail, it has MS backing ie: $$$, but considering it came out of nowhere to sell 76 million units on the 360 vs PS3's 78 million. And PS2 dominated the previous console generation, so what the hell happend for the market to be challenged to that degree?

Clearly they ****ed up with the PS3, MS seems to have done exactly the same thing. 

[ShepnTali]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

People who say that the X1 is going to fail reminds me of the people who always say that the new CoD will be the last one. Never underestimate the power of a familiar name and brand. People buy what's familiar to them. Many people love their 360s because they can play online one minute, then watch Netflix with their family the next, then they can play a Kinect game with their kid or younger sibling. Honestly, companies don't give a rat's ass about the hardcore market's opinion. The hardcore market doesn't keep gaming alive, not these days anyways.There are far more people that find an all in one option enticing than people who think it's a bad thing. There are the people who will absolutely love the novelty of being able to voice command everything on the Xbox. People have been waiting years to stream live TV on their consoles. Microsoft is correct in saying that there are a lot of people who will buy anything. That's why microtransactions are in everything, because they work.

People are saying "it's the PS3 all over again!" Funny, because it seems that the PS3 did just fine in the end.

And if you think for a second that the PS4 won't have it's infuriating aspects, then you are kidding yourself.

Silence and smart PR =/= Consumer friendly.

We already know people aren't aware, don't care, or disagree with X1 backlash. It's hot on the Amazon wishlist. It could very well be a successful machine. Some gamers will avoid because of bad policies, mythical or true, but wiith the rest of gamers, as always, it comes down to dem games.

[MegaSovereign]

Sony could very well implement a similar DRM system for used games. Their silence on the matter is troubling.

[stonbw1]

^that would surprise me if Sony did that (re DRM for used games). Sony can hear the backlash and it would be silly to remove one of the biggest reasons for xbox converters to PS4. Competitive advantage.

[billy the squid]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Sony could very well implement a similar DRM system for used games. Their silence on the matter is troubling.

They already said in February they would leave it up to devs. 

[schwarzweiss]

[Ridwan]

Thank you Microsoft for making all this hilarious drama. You still stuck though. PC power ftw and my Nintendo will always be there too.

[MegaSovereign]

billy the squid wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Sony could very well implement a similar DRM system for used games. Their silence on the matter is troubling.

They already said in February they would leave it up to devs. 

You can bet your sweet tail that publishers like EA will probably implement a similar system anyway.

All Sony is doing is not claiming responsibility.

[stonbw1]

^ so what does that mean: that some games on the PS4 I can rent/borrow and some I have to pay fees for since they'll be locked by the developer? But doesn't this come back to the whole "always-connected" issue? If internet is not available for my PS4/X1, then how can I EVER play a game that has a DRM restriction or similar?

[MegaSovereign]

stonbw1 wrote...

^ so what does that mean: that some games on the PS4 I can rent/borrow and some I have to pay fees for since they'll be locked by the developer? But doesn't this come back to the whole "always-connected" issue? If internet is not available for my PS4/X1, then how can I EVER play a game that has a DRM restriction or similar?

I have no idea. Sony doesn't have the network infrastructure to support a convoluted DRM system at this stage. I think that's why they're leaving it up to the publishers. Some publishers might still keep online passes but EA will probably build their own DRM system.

[Ravensword]

MegaSovereign wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Sony could very well implement a similar DRM system for used games. Their silence on the matter is troubling.

They already said in February they would leave it up to devs. 

You can bet your sweet tail that publishers like EA will probably implement a similar system anyway.

All Sony is doing is not claiming responsibility.

Nothing can stop gaming companies from implementing their own DRM schemes. At least there are so many gaming companies to take one's business too should one disapprove of one company's business practices.

[billy the squid]

MegaSovereign wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Sony could very well implement a similar DRM system for used games. Their silence on the matter is troubling.

They already said in February they would leave it up to devs. 

You can bet your sweet tail that publishers like EA will probably implement a similar system anyway.

All Sony is doing is not claiming responsibility.

I heve every expectation that EA will continue to try and screw everyone over at every opportunity, Sony can't make publishers not charge, or not use their online pass system. And Sony certainly isn't going to put itself out to stop them doing so. 

The thing is that only the likes of MS and Sony have the power to force through such a system as they own the closed platform. EA can't, as much as it would like, and despite the online pass, if I can pick up a used game for £10 on Amazon, then paying £8 for an online pass I still win out. 

Once you get the likes of MS sticking it's dirty claws in for a piece of the pie it'll simply jack up the price. That's the key point.

MS, Sony and other publishers created their own Frankenstein Monster in Gamestop and it's ilk, now it's out of their control they don't like it and want you and I to pick up the cost. 

[MegaSovereign]

Ravensword wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Sony could very well implement a similar DRM system for used games. Their silence on the matter is troubling.

They already said in February they would leave it up to devs. 

You can bet your sweet tail that publishers like EA will probably implement a similar system anyway.

All Sony is doing is not claiming responsibility.

Nothing can stop gaming companies from implementing their own DRM schemes. At least there are so many gaming companies to take one's business too should one disapprove of one company's business practices.

Yes, hopefully there will still be a bunch of good-will publishers around. But that's the thing. EA might have been the first to introduce online passes, but eventually several publishers including Ubisoft and even Sony followed suit.

[ShepnTali]

All this shows why it IS important to make your voice heard on the matter, and to avoid company products with policies you don't like. If everyone jumped on the Xbox train, right or wrong, others will know that they can use the same policies and get away with it, leaving less options for the consumer.


Having said that, I don't know if it will matter much once the games are paraded out.

[Lenimph]

schwarzweiss wrote...

 

This is so perfect 

[Ryzaki]

That gif just killed me.

[crimzontearz]

billy the squid wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I am just reporting info man, that is what was said, also the 2 cores reservation has to do with the jaguar architecture and how partitioning works there, they explain that on a tech site.

Also whether a feature kicks in when you push a button or not they still need to have the dedicated resources

Jaguar is not 'using' Bobcat architecture. Jaguar is the successor to Bobcat. It's a new architecture that is *substantially* improved from Bobcat. Tests have shown about 15% better performance at the same clockspeed and it's capable of reaching higher clockspeeds.

Sony has already stated that there's another secondary processor with hardware video encoding/decoding that handles all the sharing and OS stuff. And audio processing. Few PCs have dedicated audio DSPs, but that's because the amount of processing needed to do audio is so small it doesn't even make a dent in the CPU load. The idea that an entire core would be dedicated to it is laughable.

and yet that is what the Ratloop Asia developer is saying, 3 gig for OS and 2 cores...the rest dedicated to gaming, notice Sony has not said anything about tue partitioning and it is all speculation what is being used as a figure online.


 
Still, Sony still has de facto the best GPU

And Geoff, the Dorito's Pope, Keighley said Sony will have Drm, he learnt from a "source." Lots of crap flying about at the moment.

The X1's issues are fairly accurate and have either been confirmed or the tech has been pulled apart. The PS4 there are still a few question marks over it, but some parts have been either confirmed by Sony themselves or it's not out of the question, based on what we know of the tech, as the logical conclusion. 

Other than the main OS, what else is there to operate in there? We know Sony has an attatched processor for the share system it's implemented. Which leaves the question of what is the other 2 GB used for in the PS4, X1 we have the Kinect, TV and Windows 8 as the OS  horrid bloated piece of crap that it is. 

That's what I mean by a few qestion marks over the PS4, it's not all clear and there are some holes in why it would need 3GB only for the OS.

why?? because like that developer said on the asian forum the PS4 is meant to be a multitasking machine too...only Sony is rightfully keeping quiet on it because they know the hardcore crowd is not happy with it......whereas the casual crowd is not fazed by the lack of those features which will be expanded upon at E3

[ObserverStatus]

schwarzweiss wrote...

Everybody loves Joffrey slapping no matter what subtitles are thrown in there.

[billy the squid]

crimzontearz wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I am just reporting info man, that is what was said, also the 2 cores reservation has to do with the jaguar architecture and how partitioning works there, they explain that on a tech site.

Also whether a feature kicks in when you push a button or not they still need to have the dedicated resources

Jaguar is not 'using' Bobcat architecture. Jaguar is the successor to Bobcat. It's a new architecture that is *substantially* improved from Bobcat. Tests have shown about 15% better performance at the same clockspeed and it's capable of reaching higher clockspeeds.

Sony has already stated that there's another secondary processor with hardware video encoding/decoding that handles all the sharing and OS stuff. And audio processing. Few PCs have dedicated audio DSPs, but that's because the amount of processing needed to do audio is so small it doesn't even make a dent in the CPU load. The idea that an entire core would be dedicated to it is laughable.

and yet that is what the Ratloop Asia developer is saying, 3 gig for OS and 2 cores...the rest dedicated to gaming, notice Sony has not said anything about tue partitioning and it is all speculation what is being used as a figure online.


 
Still, Sony still has de facto the best GPU

And Geoff, the Dorito's Pope, Keighley said Sony will have Drm, he learnt from a "source." Lots of crap flying about at the moment.

The X1's issues are fairly accurate and have either been confirmed or the tech has been pulled apart. The PS4 there are still a few question marks over it, but some parts have been either confirmed by Sony themselves or it's not out of the question, based on what we know of the tech, as the logical conclusion. 

Other than the main OS, what else is there to operate in there? We know Sony has an attatched processor for the share system it's implemented. Which leaves the question of what is the other 2 GB used for in the PS4, X1 we have the Kinect, TV and Windows 8 as the OS  horrid bloated piece of crap that it is. 

That's what I mean by a few qestion marks over the PS4, it's not all clear and there are some holes in why it would need 3GB only for the OS.

why?? because like that developer said on the asian forum the PS4 is meant to be a multitasking machine too...only Sony is rightfully keeping quiet on it because they know the hardcore crowd is not happy with it......whereas the casual crowd is not fazed by the lack of those features which will be expanded upon at E3

Saying it's a multi tasking machine, doesn't equate to what it's actually multi tasking, nor does it make it a logical conclusion for increase memory usage of the OS, or whatever else it's being used for. It has an OS which every PC/ Console does, but other than the background systems which are run via the attatched hardware, or are comparatively small so as to not affect the CPU usage, there's no indication that it uses the CPU to run anything else. 

Running a OS on 3GB is massive. Even the X1 only has Windows 8 using 1GB. The PS4's supposed 3GB of usage hasn't been accounted for, what's it being used for?

So far we've got the OS, which would account for 1GB, and the integrated architecture is used to cope with the share options. So what are the other 7GB used for? The dev saying it uses 3GB, who is he? what game? what did it use the GB for? The OS only?

^See question marks over the PS4. The X1, the blanks have more or less been filled in, especially after the leaked specs.

Ps. If you haven't noticed every PC or system with more than one core is a multi-tasking machine, it doesnt increase it's system usage, just because it has those cores. What it's actually being used for will affect it.

Modifié par billy the squid, 28 mai 2013 - 09:01 .

[ObserverStatus]

I thought this was cute.

[crimzontearz]

btw if you read game informer they state clearly that the ps4 has the same functionality as the One's three OS's with insta-switching, suspended mode and whatnot, just saying the evidence is there