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[Eternal Napalm]

Total Bisquit is good, but I disagree immensely with his stance on used games, and his attack on retailers. He quite easily forgets retailers don't have to sell these publishers' games, if certain ones give them problems, nor do they have to sell Microsoft's Xbone. You know how shafted Microsoft would be if Game Stop didn't offer the Xbox One but heavily endorsed PS4?

The retailers don't have to sell your sh*t.

Modifié par Eternal Napalm, 29 mai 2013 - 04:06 .

[Blind2Society]

I'm not too sure about TB's views on the matter.

For one, he assumes if the used game market was out of the equation, Microgreed and others would become all altruistic and lower prices and have sales and such. I would absolutely love that if it were true but I doubt it.

Secondly, I don't know how high up at Game he was but I doubt it was high enough to be privy to some of the information he claimed to have. How he says that Gamstop and the like bully publishers into DLC, pre-order deals and such. I couldn't say myself but I'm not so sure about that.

Also, while he seems content with the move to digital distribution and "the cloud", I am most certainly not. He and I are both PC gamers some we really don't have much choice in the matter but that doesn't mean I like it. I pay for a game, that game is mine. With digital that simply isn't the case and it pisses me off.

When he compares different industries and products he is pretty much spot on but I'm not 100% with him on the rest of it.

[Saints]

^ How is the cloud suppose to "boost" the Xbox one? And even if it does wouldn't people who get disconnected be screwed over? So far MS has been.... well.

[ObserverStatus]

HiddenInWar wrote...
Haven't I seen that comic character from somewhere?

Yeah, she's a recurring character in Critical Miss.

Modifié par bobobo878, 29 mai 2013 - 04:34 .

[Chromie]

Saints944 wrote...

^ How is the cloud suppose to "boost" the Xbox one? And even if it does wouldn't people who get disconnected be screwed over? So far MS has been.... well.

[TheBlackBaron]

Eternal Napalm wrote...

Total Bisquit is good, but I disagree immensely with his stance on used games, and his attack on retailers. He quite easily forgets retailers don't have to sell these publishers' games, if certain ones give them problems, nor do they have to sell Microsoft's Xbone. You know how shafted Microsoft would be if Game Stop didn't offer the Xbox One but heavily endorsed PS4?

The retailers don't have to sell your sh*t.

Dude, we get it, you're desperately looking for confirmation that you made the right decision because you don't have any confidence at all, but this is just sad. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 29 mai 2013 - 05:08 .

[AresKeith]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Eternal Napalm wrote...

Total Bisquit is good, but I disagree immensely with his stance on used games, and his attack on retailers. He quite easily forgets retailers don't have to sell these publishers' games, if certain ones give them problems, nor do they have to sell Microsoft's Xbone. You know how shafted Microsoft would be if Game Stop didn't offer the Xbox One but heavily endorsed PS4?

The retailers don't have to sell your sh*t.

Dude, we get it, you're desperately looking for confirmation that you made the right decision because you don't have any confidence at all, but this is just sad. 

I don't know about being shafted, but he is right though

Gamestop and other retailers could easily stop selling Mircosoft games and just sell Sony and Nintendo if they wanted to

[LPPrince]

Filament wrote...

Retailers having a pivotal role in helping publishers move copies does not preclude them from shivving publishers in the back in other ways. This idea that they must be pure and virtuous because publishers want their endorsement seems kind of silly.

^Ace.

[GodChildInTheMachine]

Saints944 wrote...

^ How is the cloud suppose to "boost" the Xbox one? And even if it does wouldn't people who get disconnected be screwed over? So far MS has been.... well.

The cloud isn't going to boost anything. The amount of operations the Xbone's CPU can offload to the internet, be computed by remote resources, and received back to the Xbone is a fraction of a percent of what the CPU itself can do in the same time.

The memory bandwidth available to the Xbone CPU is 20,000 Mbps and its latency in reading from the memory cache should be a matter of nanoseconds.

What is it going to accomplish by uploading game data at 300 kbps and receiving a 1 Mbps reply with a latency of milliseconds?

It's nonsense marketing speak to fool people who don't know better.

[TheBlackBaron]

AresKeith wrote...

I don't know about being shafted, but he is right though

Gamestop and other retailers could easily stop selling Mircosoft games and just sell Sony and Nintendo if they wanted to

Thing is, though, it would pretty much require a mass revolt from all the major retailers. Not just GameStop/EB Games, but also Best Buy, Fry's, Wal-Mart, Amazon, and pretty much every other big box store (or e-tailer) you can think of. And aside from GameStop, none of those do big business in used game sales, so there's no incentive. 

The idea that GameStop alone taking a stand would give Microsoft the shaft is laughable at best.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 29 mai 2013 - 07:49 .

[ObserverStatus]

TheBlackBaron wrote...
Thing is, though, it would pretty much require a mass revolt from all the major retailers. Not just GameStop/EB Games, but also Best Buy, Fry's, Wal-Mart, Amazon, and pretty much every other big box store (or e-tailer) you can think of. And aside from GameStop, none of those do big business in used game sales, so there's no incentive. 
The idea that GameStop alone taking a stand would give Microsoft the shaft is laughable at best.

^This. Personally, I never buy new games at gamestop that are available at literally any other retailer in town, just because when you tell the people working their that you don't want to pre-order anything and you don't want to subscribe to game informer, they seem to have trouble taking no for an answer. I don't know if the things I've heard about gamestop imposing pre-order quotas on their employees is true, but it doen't make gamestop a particularly pleasant place to shop.

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

When I use to buy games for my 360, I'd just go to Walmart honestly. While I'm there I can just get whatever else I need. It's convenient and no bullshiit. Now, I just buy games on my PC. Something amazing called Steam.

[TheBlackBaron]

Easiest way to gauge would be to examine GameStop's revenue from used games, if you could separate it from new games and system sales, then compare it to the cut the publishers usually take from the retailers when they sell new games. I don't know where to find this sort of information, though.

EDIT: Also, I think the last time I bought a game at GameStop was The Sims 3 ~4 years ago, and the last time I bought any game at a brick-and-mortar store at all was New Vegas ~3 years ago at Best Buy. So I do wonder if maybe the used game thing doesn't eventually resolve itself, because you can't resell a game you bought and downloaded digitally. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 29 mai 2013 - 08:06 .

[ObserverStatus]

TheBlackBaron wrote...
EDIT: Also, I think the last time I bought a game at GameStop was The Sims 3 ~4 years ago, and the last time I bought any game at a brick-and-mortar store at all was New Vegas ~3 years ago at Best Buy. So I do wonder if maybe the used game thing doesn't eventually resolve itself, because you can't resell a game you bought and downloaded digitally. 

Last time I got a game from a brick-and-mortar store, I traded in a fist full of old 360 games for the StarCraft II expansion at Hastings. God it felt good to be taking food out of the mouths of those poor starving developers.

[billy the squid]

LPPrince wrote...

Was watching a Total Biscuit vid about the Xbox One and I recall him saying that the core gamer market is smaller than the casual one, which it has been for a long time.

Agreed. I think its a fraction of the core gamer market thats going nuts, while casual gamers either have no idea, don't care, or think what they saw was cool. Though obviously even some of them would be put off.

That is until E3, if Microsoft does things right. If not, while they won't do terribly, Sony will obviously be the one in the lead out of the starting gate.

If they saw it then they're online, and if they're online then they are going to pick up on this ****storm. If they're not online, then are they really going to be the market that will dedicatedly follow that product, which begs the question would they buy it in the first place?

Spending $500 odd on a console isn't cheap, so people tend to look into things a bit more. ie: what does this do better than the other, which leads to the inevitable conclusion of "this one plays games better, which is what I was buying for"

I think once this hits the national papers, and it has, it no longer becomes an issue of "this is a core gamer issue only." it can't help but drag in casual players and bystanders, or we wouldn't have this spread. The current society is, everyone uses the net and once it starts to appear on the 10 most clicked on links on BBC news, which it has, casual gamers are only a click away from google to find out what's going on.

[Ninja Stan]

Let's try and tone down the swearing in this discussion, please. Thank you.

[crimzontearz]

Mmm....no answers yet....interesting

[Shepenwepet]

Mirror's Edge 2 listed briefly on Amazon as Xbox One Exclusive



Not sure if this has already been talked about as I really haven't been following this thread, Xbox One clearly isn't for me.

[crimzontearz]

...interesting

Also, their Italian, while correct, is a little stiff

[bEVEsthda]

Shepenwepet wrote...

Mirror's Edge 2 listed briefly on Amazon as Xbox One Exclusive

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Not sure if this has already been talked about as I really haven't been following this thread, Xbox One clearly isn't for me.

<Groan!>   EA keeps doing it.   This is not what they would want to do with a truly good game of theirs.
- Sigh.  No Mirror's Edge 2, then

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 29 mai 2013 - 02:06 .

[LPPrince]

Yeah and right before that it came up in a listing as a 360 game

Relax.