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[ShepnTali]

"Product is not ment for you if thats the case.  Buy a PS4.  Everyone else, stop complaining like it affects you.  It doesn't, hipsters."


It kind of does, or can. If it takes root, higher the chances it will spread to other consoles down the line.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 23 mai 2013 - 04:43 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

J. Reezy wrote...

They could definitely do that but Microsoft probably think it's more efficient to throw all the eggs in a single basket instead of coming out with two machines for specific purposes.

That's unfortunate, I'm sure a lot of these problems people have with it wouldn't be happening if they'd done things that way. If I'd have to buy a console, I'd rather deal with Microsoft than Sony. 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Microsoft screwed up everything.

First the idiotic win 8.
then
Xbox dOne.

[Doctoglethorpe]

ShepnTali wrote...

"Product is not ment for you if thats the case.  Buy a PS4.  Everyone else, stop complaining like it affects you.  It doesn't, hipsters."


It kind of does, or can. If it takes root, higher the chances it will spread to other consoles down the line.

Its going to regardless.  The future is an unstopable force.  And the farther along we get into the future the sillier our past concerns look.

[ShepnTali]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

"Product is not ment for you if thats the case.  Buy a PS4.  Everyone else, stop complaining like it affects you.  It doesn't, hipsters."


It kind of does, or can. If it takes root, higher the chances it will spread to other consoles down the line.

Its going to regardless.  The future is an unstopable force.  And the farther along we get into the future the sillier our past concerns look.

Whether it does or doesn't, voices against stupid policies are as equally valid as any other. 

[Inquisitor Recon]

I expected Windows 8 to be a complete mess because Microsoft always releases an OS everybody avoids like the plague between good ones.

Yet the new Xbox? It's like somebody decided "Hey guys, lets just ignore all of the lessons we learned about making a console!"

[Ryzaki]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

I expected Windows 8 to be a complete mess because Microsoft always releases an OS everybody avoids like the plague between good ones.

Yet the new Xbox? It's like somebody decided "Hey guys, lets just ignore all of the lessons we learned about making a console!"

Now that I think about it...what's up with that? Do they have a "Less release something so terrible that everyone will gobble up the next one!" scheme or something?

[AresKeith]

Ryzaki wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

I expected Windows 8 to be a complete mess because Microsoft always releases an OS everybody avoids like the plague between good ones.

Yet the new Xbox? It's like somebody decided "Hey guys, lets just ignore all of the lessons we learned about making a console!"

Now that I think about it...what's up with that? Do they have a "Less release something so terrible that everyone will gobble up the next one!" scheme or something?

Seems legit

[Fortlowe]

From Atari 2600 to Xbox 360, every console I have every owned has adhered to a very simple sequence to use. Power. Place. Play. Not always in that order, but that simple sequence has always been undivided. That uninhibited simplicity is the hallmark of console gaming.

But now, after nearly thirty years, I think this might be all she wrote for me and gaming. I have zero interest in the Japanese console, and Microsoft has taken what I view as a hostile stance towards those of us that want our consoles to do what we buy them to do. To do what they always should do. To play games. Place. Power. Play. This simple execution has apparently become too much to ask.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Ryzaki wrote...

Now that I think about it...what's up with that? Do they have a "Less release something so terrible that everyone will gobble up the next one!" scheme or something?

I think it's the leadership, if I remember correctly there has been several articles stating that people higher up have been making a lot of bad decisions, and this didn't just come from some employes, I believe even a former executive mentioned that the leadership was the root of these problems. 

[Ryzaki]

Aaah that makes sense.

They need to get better leaders.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Ryzaki wrote...

Aaah that makes sense.

They need to get better leaders.

Yeah maybe they should put Bill Gates in charge again, instead of Ballmer, I think that former executive said he was part of the problem. 

[LPPrince]

Ryzaki wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I sat there with my stepbrother for the MGS4 install times and load times. Took FOREVER. I figured it was because of blu-ray. Seeing as both X1 and PS4 use blu-ray, IF that was the issue, I hope its been worked on.

Yeah that was ridculous. That's exactly what I don't want to happen when I'm trying to play a console game. Just...no. Plug in and play please.

Would be cool if these consoles embrace pre-loading, its a boon that PCs have I wish consoles did as well.

[LPPrince]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I sat there with my stepbrother for the MGS4 install times and load times. Took FOREVER. I figured it was because of blu-ray. Seeing as both X1 and PS4 use blu-ray, IF that was the issue, I hope its been worked on.

Its got a lot of data, not really an issue of speed.  Would be about the same if they put it on half a dozen dvds. 

At least now the installs will actually function like they do on PC, where you no longer need the disk after installation.  Bite the bullet on it doing its thing for a half hour, then you never have to swap disks again.  Its always on your console ready to play with the click of a button.  Or in X1's case, saying "play (name)."  I'll take lasting convenience over instant convenience. 

Agreed. I like the long term convenience.

[Eternal Napalm]

You pc players and your beloved DRM. You love it, don't you? Just love it.

[Eternal Napalm]

Fortlowe wrote...

From Atari 2600 too Xbox 360, every console I have every owned has adhered to a very simple sequence to use. Power. Place. Play. Not always in that order, but that simple sequence has always been undivided. That uninhibited simplicity is the hallmark of console gaming.

But now, after nearly thirty years, I think this might be all she wrote for me and gaming. I have zero interest in the Japanese console, and Microsoft has taken what I view as a hostile stance towards those of us that want our consoles to do what we buy them to do. To do what they always should do. To play games. Place. Power. Play. This simple execution has apparently become too much to ask.

Sanity! You possess boatloads. Amen, my friend. It has become too much to ask. Used cars, houses, CDs, movies, boats, about everything legitimate of reasonable substance can be given freely, shared, borrowed or purchased used, except friggin video games apparently. There is that as well. Haha, at least on a Microsoft console.

[Ryzaki]

Can't help but agree with this.

[inetfree180]

Is it really that bad. I was planning to buy one for my brother's birthday

[Ryzaki]

I'd wait to E3. Maybe those exclusives will make it worth the restrictions.

Maybe.

[billy the squid]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

In any case, it seems like the console is adopting a delivery method very similar to Steam

Exactly, thank you voice of reason on internetstubes. 

As a PC gamer, I don't see much in Xbox One that I'm not already used to.  No used games, haven't had that for years.  Online checks, had that for years.  BFD. 

Internet is goin through its predictable reaction stage.  Microsoft focused on the multimedia side of the machine at the show, even though they told everyone weeks in advance that they were going to save the games for E3, so everyone is complaining at the lack of game focus.  Nobody listens apparently.

My question is, do people actually want the thing to only play games or something?  Is there really a problem with it doing other thigns?  You have to admit, it does make TV better, if your into that.  Do people not want it to play movies, netflix, etc?  Cause they sure use those features a lot for somethign they act like they don't want.  We're in the post-console era now.  Wii-U really will probably be the last true dedicated gaming console.  Is that what people really want?  Doesn't seem like it...

I can actually see how amazing the Xb1 is for multimedia.  Gamers can tunnel vision all they want and ignore its qualities to riff on it being less video game focused then they want, and if playing games is really all they care about, then Xb1 obviously isn't for them.  But I think its conservative minded to expect consoles today to be like they were 10 years ago, dedicated gaming machines.  They just arent anymore, welcome to the future where yoru phone is a ****in camera.  And to claim that people who do care about the multimedia stuff are just the "dumb casuals" is ubsurd.  I care about the multimedia and I've bought over 200 games on steam in the last 2 years since I BUILT MY OWN PC.  So don't generalize.  (them, not you person I quoted)

There is a problem because it doesn't actually do those other things better than the other specialised devices that are already in existence, which do the job better, and I already own them.

I don't admit it makes TV better, it was a stupid move. A system which is supposed to replace TV, but requires an actual TV to work >.< demented in every sense of the concept. The digital TV I'm using can connect to the net, I can watch films on demand quicker than on xbox, and I have the various menus I can program....why would I need to do any of this via an xbox? The Digital HDTVs do a better job, and I already have it, I don't need to pay extra for that service!

Rubbish. The PS4 is centred around games and the incoming steambox from Valve is essentially an miniturised modular PC to play games on, post console, please. the X1 simple decided to jump off in a completely different direction to ensure it's own redundancy.

Multimedia my arse. I have skype on my iPhone, what possible need do I have for it on xbox, I also have it on my PC. My PC is for work and high end games, watching and downloading films music etc. My TV lets me watch TV at the drop of a hat and browse films on demand. My console should focus on games and enhance that experience. The Wii was a novelty using games like Mario and the touch sensor system.

What microsoft did was declare themselves an entertainment system ignoring the fact that all their competitors already do what they're trying to do and do it better. They ensured their own irrelevency by giving up the middle ground to Sony, and lets not even start with the online, ID and system locking issues, xbox live costs etc.

So you can wake up, and without opening your eyes or even crawling out of bed, just say "tv, turn on, play 'day in the life' by the beatles."  And it plays?  No remote, no menu navigating, just pure instant voice commands?  

You can watch something on tv and just say "science channel" and it switches to the science channel?  No finding the remote, no clicky clicky?   

I've been looking forward to being able to do **** like that for a while.  Technically you already can but its more trouble then its worth with all the accessories you'd have to buy seperately and all the software you'd have to have running on your computer, its just more hassle then its worth.  Been waiting for a device that makes it all simple and hassle free.  Thats the point of X1. 

I take it people have lost the use of their hands now? As their focus was on live TV, it renders it moot as most TV has shifted to on demand and on demand streaming. Nor does it account for the need of a cable box, and already a TV to actually make any of it work. In essence it's a gimmick, if you're happy to pay several hundred pounds for voice activation, which is essentially all that is. 

Running skype is more hassle than it's worth? It is free. Most Computers come with digital cameras in built and if they don't a good one isn't more than £20, at most.

The point of the X1 was to make it a single entertainment system, whch it fails to do as it needs.
Internet access
Limited game use
TV is dependent on a monitor
TV is dependant of a cable box
TV is not supported outside of the US.

That's it's problem an all in one device which isn't all in one and tries to trade on gimmicks, yet ignores the problem that it's specialised competitors do everything it can do, and they do it better and cheaper than it does. 

Modifié par billy the squid, 23 mai 2013 - 09:03 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I don't need an X1 to watch TV. I have already have satellite cable for that.
I don't need an X1 for skype. I have a laptop and a phone (that are also mobile) for that.
I don't need an X1 for netflix or hulu plus. My laptop, phone, blu-ray player, current gen. 360, and TV already do that.
I don't need an X1 for browsing the internet or facebook. I have a laptop and a phone for that.
I don't need an X1 to share my **** with the world. If I want to share something, I'll send them a text or FB comment with whatever I want them to see.
I don't need an X1 for Smart TV. I have Google for that and 4 HDTV's for that.

X1 is a gimmick. That's all there is to it. The only thing I'd buy it for (gaming) seems to be an afterthought that is being made pointlessly complicated.

I don't like this perpetual online check-in.

I don't like this pay wall for used games.

I miss when gaming consoles were about gaming. Buy the disc (used or new) and play it, easy as that. If I want to play online, I can. I'm not too upset with having to pay a premium for an online gaming subscription like XBL.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 23 mai 2013 - 09:07 .

[billy the squid]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

The important thing to always remember is that, because it doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean no one will find it appealing (whether or not people will find it appealing remains to be seen of course).

I, personally, haven't felt a need for a console since I was in a Rock Band craze in 2008, and that petered out relatively quickly.  Still, more "hardcore" units were shipped for both the primary consoles than my platform of choice.

Not appealing to me simply means I consider jumping ship to another platform, I hold no loyalty beyond what developer provides the best content and product for me. But, that doesn't stop me from pointing out the myriad of problems and issues with it; which is what most people seem to be doing, rather than outrage, the sentiment is "well, I know where I'm going for my gaming (prefered platform) the criticism is more a parting shot at MS.

I split my time between my PC, used for work primarily, but also for games which are exclusive or modable. The total war series, Company of Heroes, the Witcher etc. 

That seems to be the underestimation of the PC, but it's not only a gaming platform, which is what the X1 has tried to immitate, but the PC does everything the Xbox does, and more, and does it better. The issue is that consoles are able to cater to a larger audience who may find building a PC daunting, or those that don't want to fiddle with specs. That's what MS relinquished to Sony by shifting focus to entertainment with Gaming as a preripheral, while Sony maintains gaming as a focues, with other aspects to enhance it.

And there is the idea that gaming is a minority, but it's probably bigger now than it ever was, from casual all the way to hardcore. Remember Doom and Quake? I played Quake in dos mode, but Gabe Newell when he was working for MS had noticed that more people were playing Doom on dos than were using Windows when it first released! Considering how prolific windows use is now it seems strange, but he ported the game with the help of the doom devs to work on windows and shifting the entire PC gaming market to windows use, which precipitated the current explosion in windows as the bed for game development, and the acceleration of commercial software and hardware.

That's why I consider the move by  MS demented, given it's history, the gaming market forces software and hardware acceleration in the commercial sector. For work I don't really need more than word, excel, powerpoint and outlook. My system uses aren't particularly hardware or software intensive, but for gaming? Totally different. MS set themselves up in the hypothetical middle ground against future threats, but ignored the idea that it's competitors, more specialised and providing a better performance, already do what it does, without over complicating things, and they do so better.

Hence IMO it simply assured it's own irrelevancy by moving to an area people have little interest in as their needs are already caterd for elsewhere. Of course you'll have the standard loyalist movement and those that will pick up both, but do people who watch TV and not play games really think, Hmmm I'll by an xbox, for my entertainment needs, when they already have what they need in the form of HDTVs capable of internet browsing. The gaming aspect is irrelevent, and vice versa for gamers. 

[FireAndBlood]

Gonna reserve judgement until E3, but I expect that with the NFL partnership the X1 is going to wipe the floor with the PS4 in the North American market.