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[Eternal Napalm]

I wish nothing more then if Xbox One was an amazing console I could support. If it was fantastic, would have been first in line to buy one. It's the horrendous anti-consumer, privacy breaching choices Microsoft made that has led to widespread backlash. Nothing more, nothing less.

I also pay for Xbox Live (or did...not renewing in 2 months). Why are we bombarded with ads when we pay for the service? That is also old. The notion of letting Microsoft record me via camera and send that info to advertisers is shocking, and I'm utterly shocked as well how anybody on this planet would be ok with that.

[Degs29]

LPPrince wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I am just saying, MS is giving us a rather nasty pill to swallow so far with the DRM crap and the distancing from the core gamers and whatnot

So at this point I am wondering how much sugar they are willing to give us to help us swallow it, and MS has the resources to generate lots of sugar

Thats just it though- are they really distancing from core gamers? Lets think about it for a moment-

All that extra stuff they announced at the reveal. Those were all additions, you can argue necessities and stuff but gaming as a whole isn't a necessity. Now lets talk core-

We still have our games. We can still sit in a game chair with surround sound audio, put on a headset, pick up a controller, and play games. Hell a whole swath of "sugary" exclusives are on the way. And all that is from Sony AND Microsoft.

That hasn't been taken away from us. I would like to think thats what console gaming's all about.

If anything, rather than exclude core gamers, I feel they're including more people.

I'm glad that someone out there has the same thoughts as me.  I mean, the PS3 could play blu-ray movies, but no one (I don't think) was upset about that taking away from hardcore gamers.  Why?  Because it didn't.  Having additional features doesn't necessarily mean the system's core features will be lackluster.

I do understand why people are worried though.  Focusing too much of their resources on extra features means less resources for developing the gaming side of things.  Unless, of course, they bring in additional resources to cover those extra features.  Lets wait and see what they've got to show for themselves at E3 before coming to an opinion on the gaming side of things.

The one legitimate concern I've heard is that it sounds like some of the hardware will solely be utilized for non-gaming purposes, which means PS4's gaming hardware, already slightly better, will far surpass the X1's.

Modifié par Degs29, 29 mai 2013 - 03:26 .

[LPPrince]

I wonder if anyone was complaining when cell phones started having more functionality than just calling people.

[MerinTB]

LPPrince wrote...

Eternal Napalm wrote...
Wouldn't happen, and wouldn't affect my purchasing of a console, but console gamers would be the last of Bethesda's worries.

Uhh, wanna bet?

I think you're heavily underestimating just how many console game sales(Microsoft and Sony) there are to PC game sales when it comes to the same titles.

Ex- Skyrim.

Perhaps if you look at a title for title basis with big name games, perhaps.

But overall?

http://www.examiner....ital-sales-rise
http://software.inte...-be-a-developer
http://www.techspot....of-slowing.html
http://www.forbes.co...n-pc-game-sales
http://www.gamasutra..._sales_data.php

I think Bethesda will be wise to be thinking PC first, console as a very important but secondary thought.  Console sales are fickle, but PC gamers are long-term investments.

[crimzontearz]

Degs29 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I am just saying, MS is giving us a rather nasty pill to swallow so far with the DRM crap and the distancing from the core gamers and whatnot

So at this point I am wondering how much sugar they are willing to give us to help us swallow it, and MS has the resources to generate lots of sugar

Thats just it though- are they really distancing from core gamers? Lets think about it for a moment-

All that extra stuff they announced at the reveal. Those were all additions, you can argue necessities and stuff but gaming as a whole isn't a necessity. Now lets talk core-

We still have our games. We can still sit in a game chair with surround sound audio, put on a headset, pick up a controller, and play games. Hell a whole swath of "sugary" exclusives are on the way. And all that is from Sony AND Microsoft.

That hasn't been taken away from us. I would like to think thats what console gaming's all about.

If anything, rather than exclude core gamers, I feel they're including more people.

I'm glad that someone out there has the same thoughts as me.  I mean, the PS3 could play blu-ray movies, but no one (I don't think) was upset about that taking away from hardcore gamers.  Why?  Because it didn't.  Having additional features doesn't necessarily mean the system's core features will be lackluster.

I do understand why people are worried though.  Focusing too much of their resources on extra features means less resources for developing the gaming side of things.  Unless, of course, they bring in additional resources to cover those extra features.  Lets wait and see what they've got to show for themselves at E3 before coming to an opinion on the gaming side of things.

The one legitimate concern I've heard is that it sounds like some of the hardware will solely be utilized for non-gaming purposes, which means PS4's gaming hardware, already slightly better, will far surpass the X1's.

which is what I said. There are rumors about the PS4 having a similar partitioning/os footprint but they are rumors, I have asked a couple of devs...if there is no NDA I guess they should not have a problem telling me

[MerinTB]

LPPrince wrote...
I wonder if anyone was complaining when cell phones started having more functionality than just calling people.

*raises his hand emphatically*

For the love of Lee, Kirby, Siegel, Shuster, Kane and Claremont, YES.

I want my phone to MAKE and RECEIVE calls.  THAT'S IT.

I don't own a smart phone.  I don't have a data plan.  I don't want a smart phone, wouldn't take a FREE one.  I hate that my phone, pretty much by default, has to have the ability to receive text and I cannot turn it OFF.  It has a built-in camera, video camera, music player... I want NONE of that.  But I cannot buy a cell phone that takes and receives calls.

YES.

You ask the wrong rhetorical question in my presence, friend.  You hit a major pet peeve.

[crimzontearz]

LPPrince wrote...

I wonder if anyone was complaining when cell phones started having more functionality than just calling people.

if the extra functionalities came at the cost of having a 20 minutes call time limit you bet they would have especially if one company featured those limits and another did not

Modifié par crimzontearz, 29 mai 2013 - 03:33 .

[ShepnTali]

@Degs29


On the subject of blu-ray players, PS3 was my first, but I should have learned from my original PS2... I recommend not useing game consoles to watch movie discs if it can be avoided. Added wear and tear, and in each case, movie discs eventually knocked my consoles out of wack.

[LPPrince]

MerinTB wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
I wonder if anyone was complaining when cell phones started having more functionality than just calling people.

*raises his hand emphatically*

For the love of Lee, Kirby, Siegel, Shuster, Kane and Claremont, YES.

I want my phone to MAKE and RECEIVE calls.  THAT'S IT.

I don't own a smart phone.  I don't have a data plan.  I don't want a smart phone, wouldn't take a FREE one.  I hate that my phone, pretty much by default, has to have the ability to receive text and I cannot turn it OFF.  It has a built-in camera, video camera, music player... I want NONE of that.  But I cannot buy a cell phone that takes and receives calls.

YES.

You ask the wrong rhetorical question in my presence, friend.  You hit a major pet peeve.

 Hah. Well, those phones? They still allow you to call and receive calls, and they do that well.

[CronoDragoon]

MerinTB wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
I wonder if anyone was complaining when cell phones started having more functionality than just calling people.

*raises his hand emphatically*

For the love of Lee, Kirby, Siegel, Shuster, Kane and Claremont, YES.

I want my phone to MAKE and RECEIVE calls.  THAT'S IT.

I don't own a smart phone.  I don't have a data plan.  I don't want a smart phone, wouldn't take a FREE one.  I hate that my phone, pretty much by default, has to have the ability to receive text and I cannot turn it OFF.  It has a built-in camera, video camera, music player... I want NONE of that.  But I cannot buy a cell phone that takes and receives calls.

YES.

You ask the wrong rhetorical question in my presence, friend.  You hit a major pet peeve.

I hate talking on phones. Either I text or I arrange to meet.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I'd be pretty annoyed if my phone's camera was secretly watching/recording me and forced me to connect to the internet at least once every 24 hours if I wanted the ability to call or text someone. I wouldn't have that phone to begin with.

I'm not buying it, so I don't really care if these fears will come to fruition, but these worst case scenarios are hardly thrilling and MS's approach of "oh it's not as bad as you think" aren't really allaying fears, because the prospect of them still there is quite plausible.

A camera that could track my movements and store data on it's servers for promotional purposes is pretty disturbing no matter how you want to put it.

Not to mention the security risk it poses. If people were able to hack Sony's servers and get access to people's credit card details, I'd be pretty worried about the prospect of people hacking into Kinects.

Microsoft better hope their exclusives are amazing and they should thank their lucky stars that gamers aren't the most consumer savvy or determined bunch of folks when it comes to the latest gamez.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 29 mai 2013 - 03:50 .

[MerinTB]

DominusVita wrote...

*The More You Know*

-Skyrim Console Vs PC Sales Statistics-
Xbox 360, 59% PS3, 27%.
PC, 14%

Steam doesn't release sales numbers.  While I agree it is unlikely that Steam sales will tip the scale so PC clobbers the 360, those numbers aren't counting for a BIG chunk of digital sales.   I'm fairly certain, too, that the site you are using isn't counting most digital sales sites. 

Those ten million numbers match how many physical units shipped to stores.

The 360 likely outsold the PC for Skyrim.  But not likely by that margin, with digital sales (especially Steam) added to the numbers.

[Eternal Napalm]

I would never buy any phone that constantly recorded me, scanned my room and transmitted this info to advertisers or was analyzed by a company, while also being connected to the internet. I'd be crazy to get a phone like that.

[MerinTB]

LPPrince wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
I wonder if anyone was complaining when cell phones started having more functionality than just calling people.

*raises his hand emphatically*

For the love of Lee, Kirby, Siegel, Shuster, Kane and Claremont, YES.

I want my phone to MAKE and RECEIVE calls.  THAT'S IT.

I don't own a smart phone.  I don't have a data plan.  I don't want a smart phone, wouldn't take a FREE one.  I hate that my phone, pretty much by default, has to have the ability to receive text and I cannot turn it OFF.  It has a built-in camera, video camera, music player... I want NONE of that.  But I cannot buy a cell phone that takes and receives calls.

YES.

You ask the wrong rhetorical question in my presence, friend.  You hit a major pet peeve.

 Hah. Well, those phones? They still allow you to call and receive calls, and they do that well.

So do land line phones.  Your point?

I don't need underware that doubles as an e-reader, no matter how comfy the underware still manages to be.

My "old-fashioned" (not nearly old fashioned enough for me) cell phone cost me a fraction of what those smartphones do, and my cell phone plan (minus data plan that I don't need with my phone but WOULD with the other phones) is also a fraction of the cost.

So, sure, if I want to throw money away on things I don't want, the phone "works just as well."

So if I can get a two donuts, one is fifty cents and the other is three dollars, and they taste the same, I should accept that the three dollar one is just as good?  Cost is a factor.

With options, with taking out the cost of the disc drive and the Kinect that I don't want, the cost of the console would be cheaper and would NOT have functions that I DO NOT WANT and WOULD NOT USE but, without options, WOULD BE FORCED TO PAY FOR, I'd be more likely to pick up the PART of the Xbox One that I MIGHT be interested in - the higher-end hardware for the newer games that come out.

How this is something you can debate baffles me.

[Saints]

Sony Prez trolls on DRM

[MerinTB]

Eternal Napalm wrote...
I would never buy any phone that constantly recorded me, scanned my room and transmitted this info to advertisers or was analyzed by a company, while also being connected to the internet. I'd be crazy to get a phone like that.

Do you own an iPhone?  Just saying...
www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tracking-prompts-privacy-fears
http://gawker.com/58...invaded-in-2012
http://www.salon.com..._being_invaded/

Modifié par MerinTB, 29 mai 2013 - 04:00 .

[LPPrince]

DEATH RAYS! D:

[Fast Jimmy]

LPPrince wrote...

I wonder if anyone was complaining when cell phones started having more functionality than just calling people.

When they began requiring you buy a data plan to purchase the phone? Yeah, Apple got lot's of $h!t for that. 

[MerinTB]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
I wonder if anyone was complaining when cell phones started having more functionality than just calling people.

When they began requiring you buy a data plan to purchase the phone? Yeah, Apple got lot's of $h!t for that. 

When parents had to start paying for all those text message costs in the early 2000's?  Yes, lots of complaining.

When cameras became ubiquitous on phones and pervs started taking pictures of women in bathroom stalls and changing rooms?  Yes, lots of complaining.

When it was found that cell phones could be remote tracked and wiped?  Yes, lots of complaining.

This is fun.

[Fast Jimmy]

When the x-ray feature on phones allowed people to take nude/semi-nude pictures of people, even though they were fully clothes and in public? Yeah, people complained.

This IS fun.

[LPPrince]

I had to ask since cell phones apparently started getting this stuff in the mid-90's when I was just a kid.

Born in 91', folks.

[dreamgazer]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

When the x-ray feature on phones allowed people to take nude/semi-nude pictures of people, even though they were fully clothes and in public? Yeah, people complained.

This IS fun.

Better with Kinect?