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[stonbw1]

Tech question: I always heard that the PS3 was a better tech machine than the Xbox 360. It seems generally, though, that games are somewhat limited by their lowest tech. In other words, developers didn't push multi-platform games up to PS3's abilities since Xbox 360 couldn't process it. I noted that most reviews of games said there was little difference b/w the consoles.

Thus, if the PS4 is indeed a superior gaming machine, will developers not produce games that can utilize its fullest potential b/c otherwise, it would force them to make two products: a superior version (PS4) and an inferior one (X1)?? Again, I'm not bashing either, I'm just tech-ignorant.

[billy the squid]

MegaSovereign wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

ImReincarnate wrote...

Im glad I switched to PC a couple months ago. So many of the things that made consoles what they are have been thrown out the window. From what I saw in the release it was pretty much 99.9% geared towards casual gamers. And the fact that you can't buy pre-owned games or at least borrow them from a mate is ridiculous. If I do have to buy a next gen console (which I won't, screw that) it'll most likely be a PS4.

The X1's approach has been to make a crappy PC. At the moment there is absolutely no reason to own an X1 over a PC. It's currently inferior in every way. 

PS4, seems to be the choice for a console, at the moment at least, but there are questions as yet unanswered.

To be fair, PS4's approach is the exact same as the XB1's....except they're using GDDR5 and a marginally better GPU.

You mean PS4 has a Kinnect OS system, TV OS and standard system OS as well? That's the main difference, the PS4 doesn't have 3 dedicated OSs running in the back ground. 

That's true, but the memory footprint will more than likely decrease overtime. 5 GB is more than enough for games.

Both consoles are using x86 PC architectures and neither of them are using the absolute best GPU on the market.

Both consoles have a combined version, the APU. The CPU speed really isn't the key point to it. It's the bandwidth, which is reliant on the DDR type. The PS4s is 176 GB the X1's is 68GB. It's that that governs how much info is passed between the GPU and how fast. It's really important in the PS4 features of downloading while playing, the Vita streaming and the game quality. Which is what the PS4's key features seem to focus on it as without it I think the game fidelity would suffer while running play and downloading in the background. 

I don't think we'll see games take full advantage of the 8GB of DDR5 for a while yet though, as it's a huge amount. 

[MegaSovereign]

stonbw1 wrote...

Tech question: I always heard that the PS3 was a better tech machine than the Xbox 360. It seems generally, though, that games are somewhat limited by their lowest tech. In other words, developers didn't push multi-platform games up to PS3's abilities since Xbox 360 couldn't process it. I noted that most reviews of games said there was little difference b/w the consoles.

Thus, if the PS4 is indeed a superior gaming machine, will developers not produce games that can utilize its fullest potential b/c otherwise, it would force them to make two products: a superior version (PS4) and an inferior one (X1)?? Again, I'm not bashing either, I'm just tech-ignorant.

The PS3 is more powerful than the Xbox 360 as a whole but was harder to develop for because of the split memory and complex nature of the Cell processor. The PS4 and XB1 are similar architectures so developers won't have to do anything magical to put that extra 50% GPU power the PS4 has over the XB1 to work.

Multiplatform games should still be similar on PS4 and XB1 but there's nothing stopping the developers from adding a few bells and whistles on the PS4 and PC versions that they couldn't do on the XB1.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 30 mai 2013 - 07:19 .

[billy the squid]

stonbw1 wrote...

Tech question: I always heard that the PS3 was a better tech machine than the Xbox 360. It seems generally, though, that games are somewhat limited by their lowest tech. In other words, developers didn't push multi-platform games up to PS3's abilities since Xbox 360 couldn't process it. I noted that most reviews of games said there was little difference b/w the consoles.

Thus, if the PS4 is indeed a superior gaming machine, will developers not produce games that can utilize its fullest potential b/c otherwise, it would force them to make two products: a superior version (PS4) and an inferior one (X1)?? Again, I'm not bashing either, I'm just tech-ignorant.

Yes and no. The PS3's issue was it was a pain to develop for despite it being slightly better. The 360 was closer to a PC, which made it easier. 

At the moment both are using the Jaguar AMD, which is far more similar to the PC tech. Hence the split between PC and console is less, in terms of architecture. You tend to see development for PC games covering various specifications.

So I don't think it causes such a divide. As much as certain PC players like to think, that devs would focus on the highest quality possible and could create products far in advance, if it weren't for consoles. They tend to skip over the point that developing for a machine with dual powered GPUs with an i7000k intel processor machine etc would effectively wipe out over half the PC market. 

It's a latency issue, as time goes on PC's advance, consoles can't hence the PS4 will stay more relevant for longer when it comes to developing with PC games, than the X1 will. Eventually both will be far outstripped by the PC tech though.

[stonbw1]

MegaSovereign wrote...

stonbw1 wrote...

Tech question: I always heard that the PS3 was a better tech machine than the Xbox 360. It seems generally, though, that games are somewhat limited by their lowest tech. In other words, developers didn't push multi-platform games up to PS3's abilities since Xbox 360 couldn't process it. I noted that most reviews of games said there was little difference b/w the consoles.

Thus, if the PS4 is indeed a superior gaming machine, will developers not produce games that can utilize its fullest potential b/c otherwise, it would force them to make two products: a superior version (PS4) and an inferior one (X1)?? Again, I'm not bashing either, I'm just tech-ignorant.

The PS3 is more powerful than the Xbox 360 as a whole but was harder to develop for because of the split memory and complex nature of the Cell processor. The PS4 and XB1 are similar architectures so developers won't have to do anything magical to put that extra 50% GPU power the PS4 has over the XB1 to work.

Multiplatform games should still be similar on PS4 and XB1 but there's nothing stopping the developers from adding a few bells and whistles on the PS4 and PC versions that they couldn't do on the XB1.

Thanks and great explanation (from others too).  But here's the big question: where's the benefit in spending the extra time/money!!!! adding in some of the extra bells and whistles for the PS4 version in order to utilize the extra 50%?  Sure, they'll be a few extra buyers, but I doubt the PS4 games will vary greater, probably just a cleaner looks/more graphics.  I can't imagine that most developers will take the add'l time, especially on the AAA games. 

[MegaSovereign]

stonbw1 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

stonbw1 wrote...

Tech question: I always heard that the PS3 was a better tech machine than the Xbox 360. It seems generally, though, that games are somewhat limited by their lowest tech. In other words, developers didn't push multi-platform games up to PS3's abilities since Xbox 360 couldn't process it. I noted that most reviews of games said there was little difference b/w the consoles.

Thus, if the PS4 is indeed a superior gaming machine, will developers not produce games that can utilize its fullest potential b/c otherwise, it would force them to make two products: a superior version (PS4) and an inferior one (X1)?? Again, I'm not bashing either, I'm just tech-ignorant.

The PS3 is more powerful than the Xbox 360 as a whole but was harder to develop for because of the split memory and complex nature of the Cell processor. The PS4 and XB1 are similar architectures so developers won't have to do anything magical to put that extra 50% GPU power the PS4 has over the XB1 to work.

Multiplatform games should still be similar on PS4 and XB1 but there's nothing stopping the developers from adding a few bells and whistles on the PS4 and PC versions that they couldn't do on the XB1.

Thanks and great explanation (from others too).  But here's the big question: where's the benefit in spending the extra time/money!!!! adding in some of the extra bells and whistles for the PS4 version in order to utilize the extra 50%?  Sure, they'll be a few extra buyers, but I doubt the PS4 games will vary greater, probably just a cleaner looks/more graphics.  I can't imagine that most developers will take the add'l time, especially on the AAA games. 

It wouldn't be a night and day difference. But they wouldn't need to spend a lot of resources turning on extra visual effects that are already in place for the PC version.

[ShepnTali]

If anyone is curious...


Unreal 4 - PC, PS4 side by side comparison

[LPPrince]

ShepnTali wrote...

If anyone is curious...


Unreal 4 - PC, PS4 side by side comparison

Maybe it was just me but the difference looked quite big.

Which means it'd be the same difference on X1. Unreal 4 is a boon for console and PC both, but as expected, PC outclasses its console counterparts. Visually, in this case.

Also, is it me or did the PS4 version look a little darker than preferred? I wonder.

Modifié par LPPrince, 30 mai 2013 - 08:40 .

[billy the squid]

 I prefer using this one for the PS4 vs PC as you can get a better idea of the how the light looks in the whole scene not just half.

[LPPrince]

Looks like the PS4 followed the PS3 with the darker, mellower coloring. Well, I guess its easy to say that without looking at the X1 in the same comparison. 360 had brighter and more vibrant colors in comparison to the PS3, so I wonder if the X1 will follow suit.

Though neither is better(brighter vs darker, vibrant vs mellow). S'all choice. They both won out over the other in some cases, and lost to the other in others.

PC remains...well, PC.

[stonbw1]

That youtube was wild. Everything is beautiful. I see the darker hue in the PS4. Its odd, though, that we can currently have PC's that look better than the PS4 (as in the video), but yet the PS4 will be here for another 8 years...

[billy the squid]

There's still going to be a while before they get the most out of the PS4 as it's an optimised system, the PC isn't always. But, the PC will always be better than the consoles and the gap only increases in the long run.

[LPPrince]

PCs will continue to look better than consoles until the day comes when consoles can be upgraded as often as PCs can be upgraded. Which by the time that happens if it ever does, consoles would be PCs more interconnected with our television sets.

[crimzontearz]

MOAR PR SPEECH

[LPPrince]

All the PRs, the PR speeches everywhere

[crimzontearz]

LPPrince wrote...

All the PRs, the PR speeches everywhere

hey we have other features too but since you tried to eat MS's face for talking about them we will just glaze over them for now

[LPPrince]

...que?

[crimzontearz]

LPPrince wrote...

...que?

the summary of the above PR


also some interesting numbers

Modifié par crimzontearz, 30 mai 2013 - 10:15 .

[spirosz]

Druss99 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

They better show Shenmue.

Has there been talk of this or is it just you getting your hopes up?

If it happens then I think I will get excited in all new and confusing ways.

Just getting my hopes up, haha. 

[billy the squid]

crimzontearz wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

...que?

the summary of the above PR


also some interesting numbers

Lol, so grossly inaccurate in terms of PS3 and the 360, they're effectively neck and neck in sales. 76 million to the 360 and 78 million to the PS3, and both lost to the Wii.

Plus that survey was done before the X1 reveal! I really would like to see it after the reveal, and particularly after E3, that'd be the best bell weather of the mood.

Modifié par billy the squid, 30 mai 2013 - 11:26 .

[dreamgazer]

LPPrince wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Unreal 4 - PC, PS4 side by side comparison

Maybe it was just me but the difference looked quite big.

Which means it'd be the same difference on X1. Unreal 4 is a boon for console and PC both, but as expected, PC outclasses its console counterparts. Visually, in this case.

Also, is it me or did the PS4 version look a little darker than preferred? I wonder.

It's not just you. The PS4 is a few shades darker and outclassed in detail when compared to the PC side.

[AshedMan]

LPPrince wrote...

Maybe it was just me but the difference looked quite big.

Which means it'd be the same difference on X1. Unreal 4 is a boon for console and PC both, but as expected, PC outclasses its console counterparts. Visually, in this case.

Also, is it me or did the PS4 version look a little darker than preferred? I wonder.

Agree on all points.  The PS4 side seemed to have some stuttering or lower FPS.  

Modifié par AshedMan, 30 mai 2013 - 11:45 .

[AshedMan]

Ignore this double post.  

Modifié par AshedMan, 30 mai 2013 - 11:46 .