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Doctoglethorpe

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HiddenInWar wrote...

Seriously considering switching to the apparent master race of PC though, what're some good gaming PC's? I was informed alienware wasn't as good as initially hoped or is that true?


Its not that Alienware is bad, its that they are over priced.

More or less, any prebuilt will be more expencive then its worth, Alienware just tend to be on the farther end.

Seriously, build one yourself.  Its not hard.  Its.  Not.  Hard.  Its not hard.  I know you think it must be, its simple ignorance, not saying that as an insult, everyone whos build a PC was in those shoes before.  Putting a PC together is very surprisingly simple, its like playing that game when you were 3 years old where you put shapes through corresponding holes, everything is designed to go together in a very specific, obvious way, and you can still resort to simple guides anyways.  Most parts don't even require screws, they litteraly just pop together like legos.  And Windows installation is all automated so thats nothing.  It takes like an hour, all software installation and everything, to set up your own PC and you'll walk away saving up to houndreds of dollars.  If your serious about PC gaming, just build your own, do it. 

Its true that ignorance is bliss, but in this case its very expencive bliss.  Prebuilt gaming rigs are royal rip-offs across the board.  Once you do it one time you'll never buy a pre-made again. 

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I'm personally afraid of breaking ****.

I'll learn how to build bit by bit when upgrading this sucker anyway :o least then I'll have backup pieces in case my boneheaded self breaks something.

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HiddenInWar wrote...
Seriously considering switching to the apparent master race of PC though, what're some good gaming PC's? I was informed alienware wasn't as good as initially hoped or is that true?


Check your local yellow pages or such, and find a few private PC repair guys.  Not chains, not big stores - guys who might have an office, and some who might just have a phone number and brochure.  Get quotes from those guys on what they'd charge to build you a great rig.  Assuming you finds ones who are willing to build PC's for people, they will definitely listen to what you want out of the machine and have no incentives to sell you parts you don't need just to earn them more money.

I used to do this when I did warranty repair for Dell, IBM, Sony, etc.  I'd charge $100 for building, plust 10% above the cost of parts and shipping of the parts (so if the parts and shipping cost $400, I'd get an extra $40 for the ordering and such) and people still saved a bundle from buying pre-built from anyway.  I'd also promise to do all labor on keeping the machine running for a year.  Happy customers back in the day.

Barring that, find a computer parts store online that will sell bare bone systems and then, if you are still uncertain about installing any parts, order the rest of the parts from that same store and pay them to put it together and test it.  Still cheaper than going to Best Buy or Alienware or whatever - if you buy the right parts, not getting stuff you don't need, and it doesn't come preloaded with a ton of crapware.

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Don't let the Microsoft Treasure Map fool you. "X" doesn't mark the spot with this box.

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ShepnTali wrote...

Here's more ranting, but beware, perhaps more salty than Joe.


Alpha Omega Sin Xbox rant #2


Ears are still ringing, but nice.  Thanks for that.  :devil:

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DinoSteve wrote...

Warren Spector on used games

“Used games allow more people, specifically younger people, to become game fans because of the lower price point,”


I'm always amazed by Warren Spector...and the fact that more people don't listen to him. While I'm not a big fan of all his games, every time I hear him talk, whatever he says is brilliant. The industry needs to model itself largely off his opinions, IMHO.

As to the Ouya, it's going to suffer from serious quality control issues. The problem with indie games is that most of them are either garbage or just plain stealing other peoples property. If you were to go in the XBL Indie Arcade, it was largely Minecraft clones. Same can easily be said about the Android Marketplace, where quality control is virtually non-existant.

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DukeOfNukes wrote...

If you were to go in the XBL Indie Arcade, it was largely Minecraft clones.


One of my XBL friends largely ignores Minecraft and plays Total Miner in Forge mode. hah

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Filament wrote...

AFAIK, isn't the Ouya just an Android console? The android games market has some serious, er, quality control issues, I think. I wonder if the Ouya has a way to navigate the endless seas of crap...


Pretty much. I've read two early reviews of the founding backers' units (the hardware being more or less official), and my reaction to the Ouya is a giant "meh" right now.  Anyhow, I'll link the two early reviews below:

http://www.theverge....242/ouya-review
http://www.engadget....backer-edition/

Again, I'll point out that that they're early reviews of founding backers' units - but somehow I don't think they've magically improved the game library and/or the controller (both reviews seem to agree that it feels cheap/sucks). Definitely was NOT impressed by a single one of the games listed.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 08 juin 2013 - 07:49 .


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AresKeith wrote...

When Will Gamers Say Enough Is Enough?


I definately agree with this article.

After planning to simply stop playing EA games after ME3 came out (the decision was made long before playing the ending btw, although it helped) it looks like I'll have to stop gaming completely after checking what the next gen will be like. :blush: At least for any new games.


Although I was mainly an Xbox guy I like to play on all platforms to keep my options open, if something like "Big Brother" Xbox One came out. But honestly it seems like now or later they all have the same problems. DRM, digital-only games, no used games (or having to re-buy old games once they "expire"), relying on constant internet connection and hope the peanut heads (for lack of a better term) doesnt shut down theri servers and whatnot (which they would eventually anyways), etc. Ironically this is why I personally preferred consoles over PC, but now that the cons of PC are the "pros" of consoles, I just dont know. :[

Anyone else stumped?

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Galactic Runner wrote...

Don't let the Microsoft Treasure Map fool you. "X" doesn't mark the spot with this box.


:lol:

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So, I've just learned the new policy of MS with the xbox one yesterday. What the hell is wrong with MS ?

What is this **** ? This is just shocking. I don't even know if that's legal what they plan to do. I buy a game with my money, you let me play whenever I want you a*sholes.

What if my internet doesn't work during several weeks as it happens several times each year in my house, idiots ? Morever I can't even share my game with my friends ? We really need some heroes for consumers because companies are in the process of drifting into political and unacceptable practices.

GTFO with your box. I'll buy something else this time. Either PS4, either nothing. WiiU sucks.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 08 juin 2013 - 08:57 .


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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Filament wrote...

AFAIK, isn't the Ouya just an Android console? The android games market has some serious, er, quality control issues, I think. I wonder if the Ouya has a way to navigate the endless seas of crap...


Pretty much. I've read two early reviews of the founding backer's' units (the hardware being more or less official), and my reaction to the Ouya is a giant "meh" right now.  Anyhow, I'll link the two early reviews below:

http://www.theverge....242/ouya-review
http://www.engadget....backer-edition/

Again, I'll point out that that they're early reviews of founding backers' units - but somehow I don't think they've magically improved the game library and/or the controller (both reviews seem to agree that it feels cheap/sucks). Definitely was NOT impressed by a single one of the games listed.

Hrm, I had hopes for the Ouya too. I guess the Ouya Store could cut out the volumes of junkware, but then you still have the issue that it's just the same games (except less) that people can already access on their tablets, and almost all of the games on the market are mobile casual, ie not very attractive to sit down in front of a TV to play.

Well, maybe they can get some good game partnerships going. Dunno.

Modifié par Filament, 08 juin 2013 - 07:28 .


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Filament wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Filament wrote...

AFAIK, isn't the Ouya just an Android console? The android games market has some serious, er, quality control issues, I think. I wonder if the Ouya has a way to navigate the endless seas of crap...


Pretty much. I've read two early reviews of the founding backers' units (the hardware being more or less official), and my reaction to the Ouya is a giant "meh" right now.  Anyhow, I'll link the two early reviews below:

http://www.theverge....242/ouya-review
http://www.engadget....backer-edition/

Again, I'll point out that that they're early reviews of founding backers' units - but somehow I don't think they've magically improved the game library and/or the controller (both reviews seem to agree that it feels cheap/sucks). Definitely was NOT impressed by a single one of the games listed.

Hrm, I had hopes for the Ouya too. I guess the Ouya Store could cut out the volumes of junkware, but then you still have the issue that it's just the same games (except less) that people can already access on their tablets, and almost all of the games on the market are mobile casual, ie not very attractive to sit down in front of a TV to play.

Well, maybe they can get some good game partnerships going. Dunno.


I was interested in what I initially read about Human Element on the Ouya, but that's a ways off. And as much as I love zombie games, I"ve semi-committed to getting either a PS3 or a PS4 (if the ability to play older games via Gaikai pans out) at this point. I rather do want to play The Last of Us - heh.

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So, are we holding the line and making cupcakes? Who's the leader here?

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ShepnTali wrote...

So, are we holding the line and making cupcakes? Who's the leader here?


Yes. We will hold the line by not buying the BetmaXbox.

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ShepnTali wrote...
So, are we holding the line and making cupcakes? Who's the leader here?

Cupcakes?  I'm in!  :9

Ravensword wrote...
Yes. We will hold the line by not buying the BetmaXbox.

LOL

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ShepnTali wrote...

New game trailer today. Doesn't look like a winner here. Maybe fun, who knows. Very poor graphical power showing for sure. Xbox One has more potential than this.

Lococycle Xbox One trailer


Jesus Christ. I played Dreamcast games that looked better than that.<_<

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Slightly OT but am I only one feeling sorry for those companies revealing 360 games at E3? With Xbox one fiasco it is going to hit them to and that's unfortunate as 360 is great console.

And please stop with Betamax comparisons as for first time in almost 2 decades I got into argument about why Betamax was better than VHS :)

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kobayashi-maru wrote...

And please stop with Betamax comparisons as for first time in almost 2 decades I got into argument about why Betamax was better than VHS :)


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kobayashi-maru wrote...
And please stop with Betamax comparisons as for first time in almost 2 decades I got into argument about why Betamax was better than VHS :)


Laserdisc owns both VHS and betamax 


BetaMAX were better quality tapes, but VHS was good enough quality for cheaper and had wider support.  It won with consumers.

Sony learned it's lesson (well, it took time - it kept losing the format wars, minidiscs anyone?) by the time of blu-ray.  They agreed to the HD-DVD format in public, as members of the DVD forums, but in private continued to develop their blu-ray discs.  Then they engaged in technology politics and acts that come just shy of being called industrial espionage.

When all the major players lined up with the HD-DVD format, Sony then comes out with the "superior" blu-ray format, starting yet another format war.  This time, however, they worked behind the scenes, making back room deals, and picking off HD-DVD's supporters one by one.

In the end they won.  For all the good it did them.  Blu-ray penetration is still pathetic considering how long it's been out, compared to VHS or DVD at this point in their life span, and the disc format is about to die entirely (MS isn't helping that with the XBone - though, honestly, with what they are doing it might as well have been a digital-only platform - that would have actually made it less of a scandal, more than likely.)

Here's some very recent numbers - http://www.redhillgr...-digital-sales/

"Consumer spending on Blu-ray Disc jumped 28.5 percent and digital distribution was up 26 percent compared to the first quarter last year.
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Electronic Sell-Through (EST) rose more than 51 percent over first quarter, due to the broader availability of titles and increased access to digital content.
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Total household penetration of all Blu-ray compatible devices is close to 60 million U.S. homes.
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HDTV penetration to date is now at more than 112.6 million U.S. households."

and http://www.dvd-and-b...hp?article=1919

"Overall US packaged media sales were up 2%, to $2.1 billion from $2 billion in the first quarter of 2012.
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In the first quarter of 2013, physical disc rentals were down 11.9% to an estimated $1 billion through brick-and-mortal outlets, including a 5% drop through Kiosk services.

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On the digital distribution front, over the same period, electronic sell-through (EST) increased 51.5% to $231 million, growing the total sell-through pie to nearly 5%.

Total consumer spending on digital content consumption was up 26.2%, to $1.56 billion. Beside EST, this rise is attributable to video-on-demand  (up nearly 16% to $614.9 million) and subscription streaming (up 29% to  $709.6 million)."

So, yeah.  Half of the HDTV households have blu-ray capabilities.  Half.  And digital (sales, streaming, demand) is growing faster and is, combined, about as much business.

Modifié par MerinTB, 08 juin 2013 - 03:06 .


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I want the X1 to be good therefore the screaming kids stay away from PSN.

MS come on now!

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BBC, The Guardian, Metro UK, Forbes, The Diplomat and many other sites are ripping Xbox One apart. Talk about bad press lol.

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M25105 wrote...

BBC, The Guardian, Metro UK, Forbes, The Diplomat and many other sites are ripping Xbox One apart. Talk about bad press lol.


They could ease a lot of the crticism if they just got more specific about the details...but then maybe there's a reason for that.

Modifié par slimgrin, 08 juin 2013 - 04:02 .


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As sony fan boy I found the reveal to be great and I can't wait to see what comes next!

lol

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kobayashi-maru wrote...
And please stop with Betamax comparisons as for first time in almost 2 decades I got into argument about why Betamax was better than VHS :)

Beta was indeed better technically.  JVC beat them in the marketing and cost.