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[Allan Schumacher]

I hear people say that with any digital download platform but it rings a bit hollow to me right now. Absolutely, Steam sucked and people hated it when it first came out. And some people still dislike it. But Steam was also the very first big DD platform of its kind, making it the trailblazer of sorts. And it came out close to 10 years ago now.

Are you making an assumption that, because Steam happened 10 years ago, that people are more embracing of change than they one were (I'd adamantly disagree with this perspective).

WIth respect to used games, that is usually a big issue with pricing- get a used game cheaper than a new copy. With Steam, you have tons of Steam sales, either directly through Steam or via Amazon or GMG. Has MS shown any drive to do that kind of competitive pricing digitally thus far? Why would they start if they have their own walled garden?

Why does Steam do it despite being the biggest market share for digital distribution? Steam does Steam sales because, as the distributor, it doesn't care if it's making $1 million with 20 sales, or 500k sales. They're taking the cut of the money. So Steam does Steam sales because it gets people buying games in large quantities.

You seem to feel that the human beings using Xbox One are somehow fundamentally different than human beings using Steam. They aren't (in many cases they are actually the same people).


I could go point by point, but basically it comes down to this:

And at this point, Valve is more trusted by me than I trust MS. Trust is a big deal with any digital download service.

The only reason why you let Valve do the same things that MS (specifically phrased this way to drive the point home) is because you trust them more. It has little to do with the specific features, functions, or capability, and much more to do with whether or not you feel like you're not going to get ripped off.

I would have loved to seen the reaction if this was the SteamBox reveal, to be perfectly honest. I have no doubts that opinions would be different, fueled in large part by their impressions of Valve as well as whether or not they have used (and enjoyed) the Steam service.

[NeonFlux117]

Steam is amazing. Nuff said. Xbox 1 is not. Nuff said. PS4 will rock XB1. Nuff said.

PC owns all. PC master race FTW!!!!!

[Eternal Phoenix]

I agree OP.

5/5 topic and I don't rate threads often.

[Eternal Napalm]

Microsoft can put people's money from purchased goods into more then one account, but there will be a fee. Ten dollars back to the purchaser.

[LPPrince]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I would have loved to seen the reaction if this was the SteamBox reveal, to be perfectly honest. I have no doubts that opinions would be different, fueled in large part by their impressions of Valve as well as whether or not they have used (and enjoyed) the Steam service.

Some would still complain of course, but I get the feeling some more would love it regardless and "eat it up" willingly.

The nature of differing opinions and stances.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Mr.House wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Cost is going to be a factor for some time, too. PS4 isn't going to just whizz by everyone else. It will most likely have the biggest price tag.

I imagine they'll both cost a few hundred dollars. Probably between $400-$500 in the US.

And there's the problem. You can buy a GeForce GTX 680 for around the same price. For all the stuff Xbox One has plus with the PC like things, why not just get a GeForce GTX 680 or 670? It's cheaper and you have far more options. This is the massive issue with Xbox One and it's price tag.

Consoles are convenient and no asembly is required for the most part. You don't have to "build" a console. You take it out of the box, plug it in, create your profile, and start playing your games. That's why people like consoles. It elminates all the hassle that comes with PC gaming. (Assembling the machine, driver updates, driver compatibility issues, performance issues, online DRM, etc.)

And think about what you just said. Paying $500 for a graphics card alone is insane for anyone but the most hardcore of gamers. That's a lot of money and you still have the rest of the parts to buy if you don't already having a gaming PC. It's going to run you at least double that for a full gaming PC that will run next-generation games at an acceptable framerate.

The PS4 is a closed platform. That means it doesn't needs a GTX 680 to get similar results. So, if you took that same card and stuffed it into a console, the results would be much more efficient than that same card stuffed into a PC. Developers only have to focus on the one box that has same hardware configuration as every other box like it. PC and console development are very different from each other. For example, take a look at ARMA 2. That game requires a very high-end PC to run it well. On PS4, it wouldn't take nearly that much power to get the same results.

But I digress. The point is this: for the consumer who just wants to play games in high definition, the consoles provide everything that is necessary for that experience. The outrage over the Xbox One reveal, in my opinion, proves that console gamers want games first and foremost. Everything else is secondary, and if those secondary features start getting in the way of playing games, people will notice and take action.

[Faust1979]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Steam is amazing. Nuff said. Xbox 1 is not. Nuff said. PS4 will rock XB1. Nuff said.

PC owns all. PC master race FTW!!!!!

I don't see what is so great about Steam in fact I've only ever seen it used at a friends house and I'm glad I don't play most games on computers. My friend had to use steam on his copy of Skyrim for computer despite the game being on the disk he had to go through steam first and that's just bull crap. From the stuff I read about Steam it sounds invasive. With the Xbox 360 I can just pop a game into the system and play right away I don't have to go through Origin or Steam or any nonsense

[NeonFlux117]

Faust1979 wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Steam is amazing. Nuff said. Xbox 1 is not. Nuff said. PS4 will rock XB1. Nuff said.

PC owns all. PC master race FTW!!!!!

I don't see what is so great about Steam in fact I've only ever seen it used at a friends house and I'm glad I don't play most games on computers. My friend had to use steam on his copy of Skyrim for computer despite the game being on the disk he had to go through steam first and that's just bull crap. From the stuff I read about Steam it sounds invasive. With the Xbox 360 I can just pop a game into the system and play right away I don't have to go through Origin or Steam or any nonsense

That's cool. 

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Faust1979 wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Steam is amazing. Nuff said. Xbox 1 is not. Nuff said. PS4 will rock XB1. Nuff said.

PC owns all. PC master race FTW!!!!!

I don't see what is so great about Steam in fact I've only ever seen it used at a friends house and I'm glad I don't play most games on computers. My friend had to use steam on his copy of Skyrim for computer despite the game being on the disk he had to go through steam first and that's just bull crap. From the stuff I read about Steam it sounds invasive. With the Xbox 360 I can just pop a game into the system and play right away I don't have to go through Origin or Steam or any nonsense

Then why don't you go to the Steam website and read up on it?

[Naughty Bear]

I know PC an all is awesome but unlike consoles, they have to deal with DRM, Origin and I don't know if Steam is a hindrance or not.

[NeonFlux117]

Naughty Bear wrote...

I know PC an all is awesome but unlike consoles, they have to deal with DRM, Origin and I don't know if Steam is a hindrance or not.

Origin does suck a donkey d!ck that's for sure. But EA is kinda lame in general. DRM is kinda lame. But PC gaming is so far and above consoles, well at least this gen anyways, the tradeoffs are worth it. I just wish that PC gaming was afforadble. Some say- Oh you can build a great PC that runs BF3 on ultra at 1080p and Crysis 3 and the Wticher 2 on the highest settings... Derp. Nope for a rig like that- if you build it yourself. You're still looking a 1000 bucks, just for parts, not counting perephials- gaming keyboard, mouse and headset. In a perfect world, I would love to give every gamer a PC with a quad core, 660ti or AMD equivalent, 16 GBS of Ram for 600 bucks. But that's never gonna happen. PC gaming is the best, by far, but it's initial price to get into is unrealistic by many gamers. 

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 23 mai 2013 - 10:13 .

[Lazengan]

I haven't laughed this hard in forever

"This is a dog"

"this is someone you care about"

I can't breathe ahahahahahah

[Lazengan]

television
televsion
dog

dog

dog

call of duty

dog

dog

female presenter because sony didn't have one

call of duty

TV TV TV



HAAHAHAHHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[LPPrince]

Ahh, think I know the videos without having to click

Modifié par LPPrince, 23 mai 2013 - 10:14 .

[NeonFlux117]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

I know PC an all is awesome but unlike consoles, they have to deal with DRM, Origin and I don't know if Steam is a hindrance or not.

Origin does suck a donkey d!ck that's for sure. But EA is kinda lame in general. DRM is kinda lame. But PC gaming is so far and above consoles, well at least this gen anyways, the tradeoffs are worth it. I just wish that PC gaming was afforadble. Some say- Oh you can build a great PC that runs BF3 on ultra at 1080p and Crysis 3 and the Wticher 2 on the highest settings for less that 500 bucks... Derp. Nope for a rig like that- if you build it yourself. You're still looking a 1000 bucks, just for parts, not counting perephials- gaming keyboard, mouse and headset. In a perfect world, I would love to give every gamer a PC with a quad core, 660ti or AMD equivalent, 16 GBS of Ram for 600 bucks. But that's never gonna happen. PC gaming is the best, by far, but it's initial price to get into is unrealistic by many gamers. 

[Lazengan]

LPPrince wrote...

Ahh, think I know the videos without having to click

Reveal for video game console

>doesn't talk about games

talks about Television

and model rendering quality of a dog

AHAHAHHAHAH

[Fast Jimmy]

Why does Steam do it despite being the biggest market share for digital distribution? Steam does Steam sales because, as the distributor, it doesn't care if it's making $1 million with 20 sales, or 500k sales. They're taking the cut of the money. So Steam does Steam sales because it gets people buying games in large quantities.

You seem to feel that the human beings using Xbox One are somehow fundamentally different than human beings using Steam. They aren't (in many cases they are actually the same people).

I feel I would disagree here. Steam is dominant in the digital distribution market because it has consumer loyalty, for sure. But practices like the Steam sales keep competitors out of the their large market share. If Steam hardly dver offered sales, but suddenly Origin was giving them out pike hotcakes, then Steam could stand to lose a good chunk of their market. As it stands, it is actually the other way around, but the point remains - Steam doesn't let itself sit upon its laurels, because it knows the possibility of competition is never far away.

Would MS face that threat with the XB1? COULD they? I very much doubt it. Other than extending an olive branch of niceness to fans or trying to grab more consoles owners, sales such as this would only be effective at moving larger volumes at reduced prices. And if this concept was widely profitable, I would very much suspect we'd see it being practiced more by Origin.

[Fredvdp]

Naughty Bear wrote...

I know PC an all is awesome but unlike consoles, they have to deal with DRM, Origin and I don't know if Steam is a hindrance or not.

All Xbox One games will have DRM requiring an internet activation at least once every 24 hours. That's worse DRM than on any PC game I've ever played.

[LPPrince]

Lazengan wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Ahh, think I know the videos without having to click

Reveal for video game console

>doesn't talk about games

talks about Television

and model rendering quality of a dog

AHAHAHHAHAH

Well, they didn't talk about games much because 19 days later they'd be doing it again. Whats the point?

Talking about television, yeah. Overboard. But better to get it out of the way now than stink up E3 with it, which was exactly why they did it the other day.

Model rendering quality of a dog- finally, something about a game. And people still complain. Yeah its CoD(so I get it, hah) but jeez.

Its like people were LOOKING for things to hate, and were then handed a silver platter.

[Blind2Society]

Faust1979 wrote...

If I can't keep playing Bioware's past games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age or past Elder Scrolls games or Fallout 3/New Vegas then I won't bother.

That list really sounds like you need a gaming PC.

[MerinTB]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
The only reason why you let Valve do the same things that MS (specifically phrased this way to drive the point home) is because you trust them more. It has little to do with the specific features, functions, or capability, and much more to do with whether or not you feel like you're not going to get ripped off.

Allan, just answer this:

You DO know that you don't have to be online to play Steam games once they are installed, right?

And, if you are feeling generous to me, also answer this:

You have seen that Valve/Steam not only continues to support it's old games (Counterstrike) where MS/Games For X doesn't (Halo?), but that Microsoft pricing of digital items stinks on ice as compared to Valve pricing of digital items.  I mean, you can compare Amazon to Steam, or maybe Stardock, but Zune/Games For X/ Xbox Marketplace?  You do know that Microsoft's digital platforms and Valve's are not at all equal, right?

[MerinTB]

Naughty Bear wrote...
I know PC an all is awesome but unlike consoles, they have to deal with DRM, Origin and I don't know if Steam is a hindrance or not.

Good Old Games.  Just one example of DRM-less.  Most Kickstarter games, another.

[Lazengan]

LPPrince wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Ahh, think I know the videos without having to click

Reveal for video game console

>doesn't talk about games

talks about Television

and model rendering quality of a dog

AHAHAHHAHAH

Well, they didn't talk about games much because 19 days later they'd be doing it again. Whats the point?

Talking about television, yeah. Overboard. But better to get it out of the way now than stink up E3 with it, which was exactly why they did it the other day.

Model rendering quality of a dog- finally, something about a game. And people still complain. Yeah its CoD(so I get it, hah) but jeez.

Its like people were LOOKING for things to hate, and were then handed a silver platter.

NEXT GEN REVOLUTION

OF VIDEO GAMES

SUPER EPIC BIG REVEAL

>Voice controlled TV remote

call of duty call of duty call of duty

DOG omfg so pretty and kawaiii!!!!!11111111oneoneone. Look at those arms and pretty eyes. WHAT A PRETTY MAN. PRETTYYYYYYYYYY

has to pay an installing fee, Second User free

Microsoft: Backwards compatible is backwards compatible

ROFL

Oh well not that I care about this. I'm a PC gamer.

Modifié par Lazengan, 23 mai 2013 - 10:28 .