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[Salamander Soup]

About that composite list of new info. Although he prob already knows. If not, someone shoot him a tweet.

[Bekkael]

The Cel wrote...
I saw sales of the 360 all the time.. I got a lot of games for 10 buck on the market place. But look at the profit Gamestop was making, that is ridiculous.

The sales on the 360 can't compare with Steam sales, or with Gamestop. And the prices for DLC through XBL is absolutely outrageous, often more than the price of the original game to buy all the bits and pieces. Gamestop makes money because it is a model that consumers are happy with. I'm not an idiot, I NEVER sell my games to Gamestop, but I'm happy to benefit from all the other people who do, and allow me to pick up a game (that I otherwise would never try) for cheap. No one is crying about the current model except for Microsoft and publishers.

This is the best response ever to that.

Gamestop has responded to how consumers are willing to do business, and been extremely profitable doing it. Microsoft is trying to dictate to consumers, not responding to the way we want to do business. That's a massive difference.

[AresKeith]

The Cel wrote...


I saw sales of the 360 all the time.. I got a lot of games for 10 buck on the market place. But look at the profit Gamestop was making, that is ridiculous.

Not Gamestop's fault they started making a profit on 360's used games lol

[HiddenInWar]

What's everyone's prediction for X1's price?

I'm rounding it to 399.

[Bekkael]

Ha!

[Bekkael]

HiddenInWar wrote...

What's everyone's prediction for X1's price?

I'm rounding it to 399.

Optimistically? I think no less than $499. Remember, they have Kinect bundled in with it, which will automatically make it cost more than it otherwise would. Pessimistically, I wouldn't be surprised if they want $599 or more for their "all in one".

[Salamander Soup]

"PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed completely old school without an internet connection at all."--Michael Denny, Senior VP of Sony studios.

[Bekkael]

The Cel wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

The Cel wrote...
I saw sales of the 360 all the time.. I got a lot of games for 10 buck on the market place. But look at the profit Gamestop was making, that is ridiculous.

The sales on the 360 can't compare with Steam sales, or with Gamestop. And the prices for DLC through XBL is absolutely outrageous, often more than the price of the original game to buy all the bits and pieces. Gamestop makes money because it is a model that consumers are happy with. I'm not an idiot, I NEVER sell my games to Gamestop, but I'm happy to benefit from all the other people who do, and allow me to pick up a game (that I otherwise would never try) for cheap. No one is crying about the current model except for Microsoft and publishers.

This is the best response ever to that.

Gamestop has responded to how consumers are willing to do business, and been extremely profitable doing it. Microsoft is trying to dictate to consumers, not responding to the way we want to do business. That's a massive difference.

Microsoft, doesn't dictate the prices they never had, there is still the rare 20 dollar new release.. Its the publishers... Look at how the cost of DLC has climbed of the years, That is the publishers see how much people will pay..  I do miss the days real expansion packs...  But I really think you are getting Microsoft the Hardware vendor and the Game Publishers  mixed up as one entity.  Publishers Drive the Market, and people paying the prices also drive the market. The prices aren't pulled out of thin are..  It amazes me all the what people will pay... And do you remember Operation 10 dollar, Was that Microsoft's Idea?

I have no idea what that is.

Look, for me it's ridiculously simple: any business should make all the money they possibly can, insofar as they don't trample on consumer rights to do it. Who is Gamestop hurting? Not me, Mrs. Consumer; they've actually helped me to enjoy more games over the years than I otherwise could have afforded.

Who is Microsoft trying to hurt with these "features" and policies? Every. Single. Consumer. Don't even get me started on the privacy concerns they have the potential to ****** all over with the Kinect.

I'm not rich, and under Microsoft's propsed new console, I seriously doubt I would be able to afford to game anymore. If a business practice isn't good for consumers, it just flat out isn't good. Period.

So many people wouldn't be outraged, if there wasn't sufficient cause for outrage.

[Salamander Soup]

The Cel wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

The Cel wrote...


I saw sales of the 360 all the time.. I got a lot of games for 10 buck on the market place. But look at the profit Gamestop was making, that is ridiculous.

Not Gamestop's fault they started making a profit on 360's used games lol

So it's Microsoft's fault they and the publisher want to make more profit, but not gamestops fault they want to profit.. Thats a bit of a double standard isn't it?

Tell your Microsoft employors I hope they are enjoying the backlash from the consumer demand, and to #dealwithit. That is the vital element you miss in your assertion. Consumer demand.

[Pordis Shepard]

Salamander Soup wrote...
"PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed completely old school without an internet connection at all."--Michael Denny, Senior VP of Sony studios.

At least they know how to spin the bad publicity.  <_<

[Pordis Shepard]

The Cel wrote...
Microsoft, doesn't dictate the prices they never had, there is still the rare 20 dollar new release.. Its the publishers... Look at how the cost of DLC has climbed of the years, That is the publishers see how much people will pay..  I do miss the days real expansion packs...  But I really think you are getting Microsoft the Hardware vendor and the Game Publishers  mixed up as one entity.  Publishers Drive the Market, and people paying the prices also drive the market. The prices aren't pulled out of thin are..  It amazes me all the what people will pay... And do you remember Operation 10 dollar, Was that Microsoft's Idea? 

Oh I think MS has substantial sway in the pricing with the leverage they have over developers on their platform.

[Salamander Soup]

That was a quote from way back in February in the PlayStation U.K. magazine. That has since been reaffirmed several times.

[Doctoglethorpe]

HiddenInWar wrote...

What's everyone's prediction for X1's price?

I'm rounding it to 399.

My privacy.  A price I won't pay. 

[Bekkael]

The Cel wrote...
You know how new some new games come with free day one DLC or online features that you have to buy for 10 dollars if you get the game used. That was the publishers attempt to combat used game sales/ profit from used game sales.  I believe that was EA idea, though I not sure. 
Seriously if the always on Kinect bothers you so much I'm sure the console will work if you just unplug the kinect when you don't want to use.  
As I said before, I think this will result in lower core game prices, even lower than gamestop, which I normal fund the games cheaper online and sometimes even new.   As for DLC cost, I'm sure publishers will milk them and Microtransactions for all its worth..
So many people don't really understand, and think there Kinect is spying on them and that they will be forced into paying absurd fees  for used games when in reality no information on pricing has been revealed.   Just that there will be DRM and an Online market for used games with a fee... Hell why isn't anyone raging at ebay... They charge 10-20% on their sales. Amazon Charges venders on their sales...  "Microsoft is Charging for a serious... Lets Lynch 'um"

It's clear we aren't going to agree on this. You think Microsoft will be good and decent after doing away with all our first sale rights, and I beg to differ. I think they will just continue to tighten the screws. I used to think like you, and tried to give them the benefit of the doubt after the X1 reveal, but the more research I do, the more convinved I am that something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree about this company and their practices.

[kirvingtwo]

The Cel wrote...
Seriously if the always on Kinect bothers you so much I'm sure the console will work if you just unplug the kinect when you don't want to use.  

I thought Microsoft said that you couldn't just unplug the Kinect that it was vital to the operation of the console.  However you could disable parts of it within the console's settings.  Of course, until they actually demonstrate this sort of user control I'm sceptical.  How will these settings work? Will they have to be reset everytime the console is used?  Wil you get error messages that you're not using the console correctly without all the kinect functions turned on?

[Pordis Shepard]

The Cel wrote...

kirvingtwo wrote...

The Cel wrote...
Seriously if the always on Kinect bothers you so much I'm sure the console will work if you just unplug the kinect when you don't want to use.  

I thought Microsoft said that you couldn't just unplug the Kinect that it was vital to the operation of the console.  However you could disable parts of it within the console's settings.  Of course, until they actually demonstrate this sort of user control I'm sceptical.  How will these settings work? Will they have to be reset everytime the console is used?  Wil you get error messages that you're not using the console correctly without all the kinect functions turned on?

That would be a major weakness and significant failure point, so I doubt unplugging it would kill the whole functionality of the system. Microsoft wouldn't put themselves through that after the redring incident  

...and yet it seems it will not.  Kotaku's latest info from 22 May

Modifié par Pordis Shepard, 10 juin 2013 - 07:26 .

[kirvingtwo]

The Cel wrote...

kirvingtwo wrote...

The Cel wrote...
Seriously if the always on Kinect bothers you so much I'm sure the console will work if you just unplug the kinect when you don't want to use.  

I thought Microsoft said that you couldn't just unplug the Kinect that it was vital to the operation of the console.  However you could disable parts of it within the console's settings.  Of course, until they actually demonstrate this sort of user control I'm sceptical.  How will these settings work? Will they have to be reset everytime the console is used?  Wil you get error messages that you're not using the console correctly without all the kinect functions turned on?

That would be a major weakness and significant failure point, so I doubt unplugging it would kill the whole functionality of the system. Microsoft wouldn't put themselves through that after the redring incident  

You mean the kind of functionality like not being able to play any games (on a gaming console) when you don't connect to the internet, at least once, every 24 hours. 

Somehow I see potential teething poblems with many aspects of the X1's operation.

[Foxhound2121]

The Cel wrote...

You know how new some new games come with free day one DLC or online features that you have to buy for 10 dollars if you get the game used. That was the publishers attempt to combat used game sales/ profit from used game sales.  I believe that was EA idea, though I not sure. 
Seriously if the always on Kinect bothers you so much I'm sure the console will work if you just unplug the kinect when you don't want to use.  
As I said before, I think this will result in lower core game prices, even lower than gamestop, which I normal fund the games cheaper online and sometimes even new.   As for DLC cost, I'm sure publishers will milk them and Microtransactions for all its worth..
So many people don't really understand, and think there Kinect is spying on them and that they will be forced into paying absurd fees  for used games when in reality no information on pricing has been revealed.   Just that there will be DRM and an Online market for used games with a fee... Hell why isn't anyone raging at ebay... They charge 10-20% on their sales. Amazon Charges venders on their sales...  "Microsoft is Charging for a serious... Lets Lynch 'um"

I'm starting to question your join date. Anyways, so much of your information is uninformed. The kinect can never be unplugged from the xbone to even function. The kinect DOES use data mining video collected from it. I know these things because it says so right on their website. Seriously, please go over the the Microsoft website and start reading before discussing any further.

Modifié par Foxhound2121, 10 juin 2013 - 07:26 .

[Weskerr]

The Cel wrote...


You know how new some new games come with free day one DLC or online features that you have to buy for 10 dollars if you get the game used. That was the publishers attempt to combat used game sales/ profit from used game sales.  I believe that was EA idea, though I not sure. 
Seriously if the always on Kinect bothers you so much I'm sure the console will work if you just unplug the kinect when you don't want to use.  
As I said before, I think this will result in lower core game prices, even lower than gamestop, which I normal fund the games cheaper online and sometimes even new.   As for DLC cost, I'm sure publishers will milk them and Microtransactions for all its worth..
So many people don't really understand, and think there Kinect is spying on them and that they will be forced into paying absurd fees  for used games when in reality no information on pricing has been revealed.   Just that there will be DRM and an Online market for used games with a fee... Hell why isn't anyone raging at ebay... They charge 10-20% on their sales. Amazon Charges venders on their sales...  "Microsoft is Charging for a serious... Lets Lynch 'um"

That statement reveals that you're missing the whole point. The fact that consumers will have to pay any fee, regardless of the price, for playing used games is what is outrageous.

[Salamander Soup]

The fact we have products we purchase legally in a purchase contract rendered useless by DRM is the real issue. We don't care about what Micro$oft believes, or what publishers believe. We are the consumer demand, and we aren't gonna tolerate it. Soon, we will demonstrate. It isn't a boycott, it isn't a planned gathering of the angry. Enough is enough. What this extraordinary and catastrophic backlash is is natural and organic market reaction. From consumer demand. You know, half the market? With as fragile as the console gaming market is with mobile and tablet snatching portions, and a wider array of competition then in a long time, Microsoft is getting worried. Dealwithit#, Microsoft.