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[OniGanon]

They're pretty different, aren't they?

Fury - Run around exploding all the things

Valkyrie - Warp > Get in close > Melt bosses faster than you can say 'lolincendiaryammo.'

[UnknownMercenary]

DC + dodging through walls = more versatility

unless you want to warp + incendiary ammo cheese

[Symbolz]

I prefer the Valkyrie myself. It's the dodge that makes the difference for me. Fury can past through walls, which its an advantage all to itself, but it's too slow when I want it to count. I prefer the Asari dodge.

[Miniditka77]

Original Twigman wrote...

Adamziomal wrote...

Valkyrie is better against bosses. Fury is better against mooks.

how so? surely the initial warp ball is enough to take out most mooks, followed by that bad boy reegar

With the Fury, you don't even need a weapon to take out a whole crowd of mooks rapidly.  Your detonator is on a cooldown that is shorter than the stagger duration you get from each biotic explosion.  A Warp-AF biotic explosion is not sufficient to take out many fully shielded mooks, esp. if they have shields instead of barriers, and it's not fast enough to spam in a crowd either.  The advantage to the Valkyrie is the awesome armor debuff that Warp gives, which makes killing bosses easier.

[Original Twigman]

Miniditka77 wrote...

Original Twigman wrote...

Adamziomal wrote...

Valkyrie is better against bosses. Fury is better against mooks.

how so? surely the initial warp ball is enough to take out most mooks, followed by that bad boy reegar

With the Fury, you don't even need a weapon to take out a whole crowd of mooks rapidly.  Your detonator is on a cooldown that is shorter than the stagger duration you get from each biotic explosion.  A Warp-AF biotic explosion is not sufficient to take out many fully shielded mooks, esp. if they have shields instead of barriers, and it's not fast enough to spam in a crowd either.  The advantage to the Valkyrie is the awesome armor debuff that Warp gives, which makes killing bosses easier.

A throw + AF isn't enough to take out a fully shielded mook, either.

If the gun the fury has isn't being used, then i'm afraid she is quite slow.

Whats the purpose of spamming BEs in the face of 3-4 enemies? Is it to hit them with another 1-2? or to simply stagger them long enough to be shot?

[tetsutsuru]

Original Twigman wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

Original Twigman wrote...

Adamziomal wrote...

Valkyrie is better against bosses. Fury is better against mooks.

how so? surely the initial warp ball is enough to take out most mooks, followed by that bad boy reegar

With the Fury, you don't even need a weapon to take out a whole crowd of mooks rapidly.  Your detonator is on a cooldown that is shorter than the stagger duration you get from each biotic explosion.  A Warp-AF biotic explosion is not sufficient to take out many fully shielded mooks, esp. if they have shields instead of barriers, and it's not fast enough to spam in a crowd either.  The advantage to the Valkyrie is the awesome armor debuff that Warp gives, which makes killing bosses easier.

A throw + AF isn't enough to take out a fully shielded mook, either.

If the gun the fury has isn't being used, then i'm afraid she is quite slow.

Whats the purpose of spamming BEs in the face of 3-4 enemies? Is it to hit them with another 1-2? or to simply stagger them long enough to be shot?

Sorry, but you apparently have no clue what the N7 Fury is capable of. 

You run into the group of 4, which primes ALL of them via Annihilation Field, Throw at first target, which results in BE1.  Throw at target 2, resulting in BE2.  If any targets are still alive, Throw at target 3, resulting in BE3.  Move to next target area.  Rinse and repeat. 

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 22 mai 2013 - 05:51 .

[tetsutsuru]

Accidental Quote instead of Edit.  My bad.

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 22 mai 2013 - 05:51 .

[Original Twigman]

tetsutsuru wrote...

Original Twigman wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

Original Twigman wrote...

Adamziomal wrote...

Valkyrie is better against bosses. Fury is better against mooks.

how so? surely the initial warp ball is enough to take out most mooks, followed by that bad boy reegar

With the Fury, you don't even need a weapon to take out a whole crowd of mooks rapidly.  Your detonator is on a cooldown that is shorter than the stagger duration you get from each biotic explosion.  A Warp-AF biotic explosion is not sufficient to take out many fully shielded mooks, esp. if they have shields instead of barriers, and it's not fast enough to spam in a crowd either.  The advantage to the Valkyrie is the awesome armor debuff that Warp gives, which makes killing bosses easier.

A throw + AF isn't enough to take out a fully shielded mook, either.

If the gun the fury has isn't being used, then i'm afraid she is quite slow.

Whats the purpose of spamming BEs in the face of 3-4 enemies? Is it to hit them with another 1-2? or to simply stagger them long enough to be shot?

Sorry, but you apparently have no clue what the N7 Fury is capable of. 

You run into the group of 4, which primes ALL of them via Annihilation Field, Throw at first target, which results in BE1.  Throw at target 2, resulting in BE2.  If any targets are still alive, Throw at target 3, resulting in BE3.  Move to next target area.  Rinse and repeat. 

considering i have completed a gold solo with the fury fifteen minutes faster than you, i'd have to disagree.

And no, a single AF+throw will not take out a full shielded mook. I am simply asking questions.

Why would 3 throws be faster than one throw and high dps shots? or 2 throws and high powered shots?

[NuclearTech76]

Fury is better in the hands of a capable player. Unless someone's exploiting the warp/incendiary glitch. They just have more mobility, can get to spawns quicker, and can generate BEs quicker.

The bread and butter of both these characters if you ignore the glitchy cheese is BEs. The Valkyrie can generate slightly more powerful BEs but the Fury can generate them much quicker and get to spawn quicker.

[rcolol]

Valkyrie is better.
They're both a blast to play though.

[tetsutsuru]

Original Twigman wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

Original Twigman wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

Original Twigman wrote...

Adamziomal wrote...

Valkyrie is better against bosses. Fury is better against mooks.

how so? surely the initial warp ball is enough to take out most mooks, followed by that bad boy reegar

With the Fury, you don't even need a weapon to take out a whole crowd of mooks rapidly.  Your detonator is on a cooldown that is shorter than the stagger duration you get from each biotic explosion.  A Warp-AF biotic explosion is not sufficient to take out many fully shielded mooks, esp. if they have shields instead of barriers, and it's not fast enough to spam in a crowd either.  The advantage to the Valkyrie is the awesome armor debuff that Warp gives, which makes killing bosses easier.

A throw + AF isn't enough to take out a fully shielded mook, either.

If the gun the fury has isn't being used, then i'm afraid she is quite slow.

Whats the purpose of spamming BEs in the face of 3-4 enemies? Is it to hit them with another 1-2? or to simply stagger them long enough to be shot?

Sorry, but you apparently have no clue what the N7 Fury is capable of. 

You run into the group of 4, which primes ALL of them via Annihilation Field, Throw at first target, which results in BE1.  Throw at target 2, resulting in BE2.  If any targets are still alive, Throw at target 3, resulting in BE3.  Move to next target area.  Rinse and repeat. 

considering i have completed a gold solo with the fury fifteen minutes faster than you, i'd have to disagree.

And no, a single AF+throw will not take out a full shielded mook. I am simply asking questions.

Why would 3 throws be faster than one throw and high dps shots? or 2 throws and high powered shots?

Throwing your epeen around, I see.  Want a cookie or something? 

In spite of the smiley in my post, you still went on the defensive.  Look in the mirror.  Your problem's right there.  No need to bring it in here, dude.

[Original Twigman]

tetsutsuru wrote...

Throwing your epeen around, I see.  Want a cookie or something? 

In spite of the smiley in my post, you still went on the defensive.  Look in the mirror.  Your problem's right there.  No need to bring it in here, dude.

ur assuming defensiveness from a neutral post. You made an assertion about my ability and i put it back on you, then stated that i am simply asking questions without trying to instigate. I will acknowledge that i recognize your initial instigating comments, followed by this condescending post and further institgation, and i will leave it there.

[Original Twigman]

Air Quotes wrote...

Original Twigman wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

Original Twigman wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

Original Twigman wrote...

Adamziomal wrote...

Valkyrie is better against bosses. Fury is better against mooks.

how so? surely the initial warp ball is enough to take out most mooks, followed by that bad boy reegar

With the Fury, you don't even need a weapon to take out a whole crowd of mooks rapidly.  Your detonator is on a cooldown that is shorter than the stagger duration you get from each biotic explosion.  A Warp-AF biotic explosion is not sufficient to take out many fully shielded mooks, esp. if they have shields instead of barriers, and it's not fast enough to spam in a crowd either.  The advantage to the Valkyrie is the awesome armor debuff that Warp gives, which makes killing bosses easier.

A throw + AF isn't enough to take out a fully shielded mook, either.

If the gun the fury has isn't being used, then i'm afraid she is quite slow.

Whats the purpose of spamming BEs in the face of 3-4 enemies? Is it to hit them with another 1-2? or to simply stagger them long enough to be shot?

Sorry, but you apparently have no clue what the N7 Fury is capable of. 

You run into the group of 4, which primes ALL of them via Annihilation Field, Throw at first target, which results in BE1.  Throw at target 2, resulting in BE2.  If any targets are still alive, Throw at target 3, resulting in BE3.  Move to next target area.  Rinse and repeat. 

considering i have completed a gold solo with the fury fifteen minutes faster than you, i'd have to disagree.

And no, a single AF+throw will not take out a full shielded mook. I am simply asking questions.

Why would 3 throws be faster than one throw and high dps shots? or 2 throws and high powered shots?

 

It will with the Acolyte. Fury is just much faster than Valkyrie, cos of the dodge, Throw is much faster than Warp 
(and Valks Tech Armor makes it even slower), plus she can prime with Dark Channel and detonate it with Throw and get multi-BE's when it jumps. And do it from range. Plus she can use a lot of guns and do very well, because she actually doesn't need them all that much. Valks effectiveness drops a lot if she's not using the Reetard cheese.

And the Fury requires much more reaction speed and situational awareness.

so you are saying that because she doesn't need guns, she is better overall?

I get the "faster BEs" and range of BEs... it adds versatility...etc

[tetsutsuru]

Original Twigman wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

Throwing your epeen around, I see.  Want a cookie or something? 

In spite of the smiley in my post, you still went on the defensive.  Look in the mirror.  Your problem's right there.  No need to bring it in here, dude.

ur assuming defensiveness from a neutral post. You made an assertion about my ability and i put it back on you, then stated that i am simply asking questions without trying to instigate. I will acknowledge that i recognize your initial instigating comments, followed by this condescending post and further institgation, and i will leave it there.

And apparently, "winning" this imaginary argument is very important to you. 

Never occurred to you that my line, "... you apparently have no clue what the N7 Fury is capable of. ;)", wasn't targetting you at all.  It was to "buff" the perspective on the N7 Fury.

So defensive.  And in denial.  But whatever floats your boat.

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 22 mai 2013 - 06:19 .

[Original Twigman]

tetsutsuru wrote...

Original Twigman wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

Throwing your epeen around, I see.  Want a cookie or something? 

In spite of the smiley in my post, you still went on the defensive.  Look in the mirror.  Your problem's right there.  No need to bring it in here, dude.

ur assuming defensiveness from a neutral post. You made an assertion about my ability and i put it back on you, then stated that i am simply asking questions without trying to instigate. I will acknowledge that i recognize your initial instigating comments, followed by this condescending post and further institgation, and i will leave it there.

And apparently, "winning" this imaginary argument is very important to you.

Never occurred to you that my line, "... you apparently have no clue what the N7 Fury is capable of. ;)", wasn't targetting you at all.  It was to "buff" the perspective on the N7 Fury.

So defensive.  And in denial.  But whatever floats your boat.

sure, i'll take both, why not

bye

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

the fury cannot be made into a beast of a tech armour reliant build.

[tetsutsuru]

Air Quotes wrote...

Original Twigman wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Original Twigman wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

Original Twigman wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

Original Twigman wrote...

Adamziomal wrote...

Valkyrie is better against bosses. Fury is better against mooks.

how so? surely the initial warp ball is enough to take out most mooks, followed by that bad boy reegar

With the Fury, you don't even need a weapon to take out a whole crowd of mooks rapidly.  Your detonator is on a cooldown that is shorter than the stagger duration you get from each biotic explosion.  A Warp-AF biotic explosion is not sufficient to take out many fully shielded mooks, esp. if they have shields instead of barriers, and it's not fast enough to spam in a crowd either.  The advantage to the Valkyrie is the awesome armor debuff that Warp gives, which makes killing bosses easier.

A throw + AF isn't enough to take out a fully shielded mook, either.

If the gun the fury has isn't being used, then i'm afraid she is quite slow.

Whats the purpose of spamming BEs in the face of 3-4 enemies? Is it to hit them with another 1-2? or to simply stagger them long enough to be shot?

Sorry, but you apparently have no clue what the N7 Fury is capable of. 

You run into the group of 4, which primes ALL of them via Annihilation Field, Throw at first target, which results in BE1.  Throw at target 2, resulting in BE2.  If any targets are still alive, Throw at target 3, resulting in BE3.  Move to next target area.  Rinse and repeat. 

considering i have completed a gold solo with the fury fifteen minutes faster than you, i'd have to disagree.

And no, a single AF+throw will not take out a full shielded mook. I am simply asking questions.

Why would 3 throws be faster than one throw and high dps shots? or 2 throws and high powered shots?

 

It will with the Acolyte. Fury is just much faster than Valkyrie, cos of the dodge, Throw is much faster than Warp 
(and Valks Tech Armor makes it even slower), plus she can prime with Dark Channel and detonate it with Throw and get multi-BE's when it jumps. And do it from range. Plus she can use a lot of guns and do very well, because she actually doesn't need them all that much. Valks effectiveness drops a lot if she's not using the Reetard cheese.

And the Fury requires much more reaction speed and situational awareness.

so you are saying that because she doesn't need guns, she is better overall?

I get the "faster BEs" and range of BEs... it adds versatility...etc

 

Not needing the most powerful guns to wreck havoc and top the scoreboard even when playing with good players makes her better. Valk really needs top of the line firepower.

And Warp + Reegar + Incendiary Ammo. 

[BIGGLESBY]

In my playstyles, the Valkyrie is more sturdier, but doesn't have the versatility to hang back for BEs like the Fury can do with Dark Channel > Throw. The movement mechanics between the two differ quite a bit, I find it easier to do the Annihilation Field BE with the Valkyrie because of the biotic dashes, since the biotic blinks seem to keep you in place a second too long before the animation finishes. Going through walls is a damned good thing though.

Held too dearly in my heart to decide between the two.

[tetsutsuru]

SerBiggs wrote...

In my playstyles, the Valkyrie is more sturdier, but doesn't have the versatility to hang back for BEs like the Fury can do with Dark Channel > Throw. The movement mechanics between the two differ quite a bit, I find it easier to do the Annihilation Field BE with the Valkyrie because of the biotic dashes, since the biotic blinks seem to keep you in place a second too long before the animation finishes. Going through walls is a damned good thing though.

Held too dearly in my heart to decide between the two.

On a slight tangent, I had a glitchy game where one of the resulting effects was my N7 Fury didn't "disappear" when dodging.  But kind of an interesting thing too, as I found out the model of the N7 Fury actually does a full cartwheel animation for dodges.  We just don't see it because she momentarily "disappears" when the game is running right.  Neat stuff.

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 22 mai 2013 - 06:34 .

[Lady Abstract]

Fury