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[Chanda]

Do you think Sebastian's armor will have changed? We don't want anymore of this:

[ComfortablyNumb]

What I actually want, is rehabilitated drunkard!Alistair to show up with Starkhaven army. Not necessarily as the highest general, but somewhere high in the ranks.

That's my private headcanon

[ManOfSteel]

I don't think I ever used Sebastian outside of his personal quests, so I wouldn't be too bothered if he never returned.

[Plaintiff]

What kind of killjoy would want to get rid of Face-crotch Andraste?

[Fiery Knight]

Rassler wrote...
He is not capable of doing anything. He keeps whining, mostly about if he should return to starkhaven or not.

 

He is in a stalemate in what way he will serve better, in Starkhaven or in the Chantry. He even asks who serves the Maker better, a man of the chantry or a prince. It's is up to Hawke (to a large part) to influence him what he should choose. The reason it is stupid however, is b/c the game is set in a 7 years period.

At the end he can't even decide and leaves it at the hand of maker and keeps breaking his vows to the chantry in the same time. Insecurity at its best.

In the end he decides to leave to Starkhaven and lead, after what happened in Kirkwall. How is that insecurity?

Without Hawke he is simply nothing.

You forgot to mention every other single character in Kirkwall. Everyone in the city can do jacksh*t without Hawke.

In someone playthroughs that I kept Anders alive and he threatened to bring "true justice" to kirkwall I couldn't suppress laughter.

Yeah, since Hawke and everyone else are utter idiots on the city, I can understand he wants to take the matter into his hands. I would do the same.

He can make an appearance but that doesn't make him any less faillure of a character.

He isn't a failure of a character. It is only you who want to see him as such that makes him, and he isn't a failure of a character.

[Permoras]

Hilarious. I bet that all the hate towards Sebastian is result of him being pro-chantry and against mages. Most of the players goes 'paragon-mage' route without hesitation and is all high and mighty towards anyone on the other side of the barricade.

[Fiery Knight]

Permoras wrote...

Hilarious. I bet that all the hate towards Sebastian is result of him being pro-chantry and against mages. Most of the players goes 'paragon-mage' route without hesitation and is all high and mighty towards anyone on the other side of the barricade.

Indeed. People are mindless like that.

[Harle Cerulean]

Hawke_12 wrote...

Permoras wrote...

Hilarious. I bet that all the hate towards Sebastian is result of him being pro-chantry and against mages. Most of the players goes 'paragon-mage' route without hesitation and is all high and mighty towards anyone on the other side of the barricade.

Indeed. People are mindless like that.

The particularly hilarious thing about that being that he's even the only pro-Circle companion who talks about having doubts about Meredith in party banter.

[Permoras]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Hawke_12 wrote...

Permoras wrote...

Hilarious. I bet that all the hate towards Sebastian is result of him being pro-chantry and against mages. Most of the players goes 'paragon-mage' route without hesitation and is all high and mighty towards anyone on the other side of the barricade.

Indeed. People are mindless like that.

The particularly hilarious thing about that being that he's even the only pro-Circle companion who talks about having doubts about Meredith in party banter.

Touché.

[Fiery Knight]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Hawke_12 wrote...

Permoras wrote...

Hilarious. I bet that all the hate towards Sebastian is result of him being pro-chantry and against mages. Most of the players goes 'paragon-mage' route without hesitation and is all high and mighty towards anyone on the other side of the barricade.

Indeed. People are mindless like that.

The particularly hilarious thing about that being that he's even the only pro-Circle companion who talks about having doubts about Meredith in party banter.

Indeed, that is why I like Sebastian. He is on the middle ground, seeing Mages and Templars from two perspectives, instead of one.

[Plaintiff]

Permoras wrote...

Hilarious. I bet that all the hate towards Sebastian is result of him being pro-chantry and against mages. Most of the players goes 'paragon-mage' route without hesitation and is all high and mighty towards anyone on the other side of the barricade.

It couldn't have anything to do with the way that he sits around in the Chantry angsting about his selfish need for revenge, while Starkhaven is left to fall apart in the hands of his mentally impaired cousin.

"Countries rule themselves! Derp! Responsibility? What's that?"

Modifié par Plaintiff, 23 mai 2013 - 10:18 .

[ManOfSteel]

Permoras wrote...

Hilarious. I bet that all the hate towards Sebastian is result of him being pro-chantry and against mages. Most of the players goes 'paragon-mage' route without hesitation and is all high and mighty towards anyone on the other side of the barricade.

If anything, I'm pro-templar. I still didn't like him. I'm not suggesting he's a bad character in the slightest. I just found him boring and uninteresting. The Jacob of DA2, perhaps.

[Fiery Knight]

Plaintiff wrote...
"Countries rule themselves! Derp! Responsibility? What's that?"

Is Starkhaven faaling apart? Is there an rebellion? Starvation? No.

Sebastian said it best: In peace times cities and countries rule themselves more or less, but when there is famine and war, they need a leader. At such time, I will heed them.

[Permoras]

Plaintiff wrote...

Permoras wrote...

Hilarious. I bet that all the hate towards Sebastian is result of him being pro-chantry and against mages. Most of the players goes 'paragon-mage' route without hesitation and is all high and mighty towards anyone on the other side of the barricade.

It couldn't have anything to do with the way that he sits around in the Chantry angsting about his selfish need for revenge, while Starkhaven is left to fall apart in the hands of his mentally impaired cousin.

"Countries rule themselves! Derp! Responsibility? What's that?"

Good point. I for one can't imagine him sitting on the throne without solving his family's murder case. It takes him years to grow up, dump his indecisiveness (Grand Cleric's influence)  and find some resolve.

[Permoras]

And let me clarify. I'm not trying to cause some flame war or offend anyone. All I'm trying to say is that SOME people tend to hate people like Sebastian just because he has different views. Apologies if I offended in any way.

[Plaintiff]

Hawke_12 wrote...
Is Starkhaven faaling apart? Is there an rebellion? Starvation? No.

We wouldn't know, would we? Because we never go there, or hear any news about it. Sebastian doesn't even make the effort to find out what's actually happening over there. For all he knows, all of those things could be happening.

What we do know is that Sebastian's cousin is "a bit slow", leaving him open to manipulation by unscrupulous characters like, oh, say, the demon-possessed Lady Harimann, who intended to wed her daughter to Goran Vael and use him as a puppet to control Starkhaven?

Sebastian said it best: In peace times cities and countries rule themselves more or less but when there is famine and war, they need a leader. At such time, I will heed them.

Because nothing happens in peace time! Except for laws changing, and officials needing to be appointed, and trades to be negotiated and events to be organised and supplies to be maintained and troops to be trained and nobility to placate and trials to adjudicate and treaties to sign and lord knows what else.

You think the people simply won't notice that they're being ruled by a man who is strongly implied to be mentally retarded? You think peace will last long in Starkhaven, with unscrupulous lords and ladies tripping over themselves to get their grubby hands on the Starkhaven crown?

If Sebastian really believes the stupid things he says, then mental disability must run in the family.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 23 mai 2013 - 10:38 .

[Permoras]

Look at DA:O and DA:A it was like:
Supplies? - Done.
Train some troops? - Done.
Deal with nobility? - Done.
Oversee some trials? - Done.
End wars, conflicts and issues? - Done.

Everything in a couple of days. What's the problem then?
 
@Edit
Remember that it is a fantasy game with uber overpowered super humans killing thousands of enemies along the way without a single dent in their armor. We are dealing with a whole bunch of nonsense here and nothing is impossible.  

Modifié par Permoras, 23 mai 2013 - 10:55 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Plaintiff wrote...

Sebastian said it best: In peace times cities and countries rule themselves more or less but when there is famine and war, they need a leader. At such time, I will heed them.

Because nothing happens in peace time! Except for laws changing, and officials needing to be appointed, and trades to be negotiated and events to be organised and supplies to be maintained and troops to be trained and nobility to placate and trials to adjudicate and treaties to sign and lord knows what else.

You think the people simply won't notice that they're being ruled by a man who is strongly implied to be mentally retarded? You think peace will last long in Starkhaven, with unscrupulous lords and ladies tripping over themselves to get their grubby hands on the Starkhaven crown?

If Sebastian really believes the stupid things he says, then mental disability must run in the family.

None of the things you mention are having any relevance... The majority of the tasks you mention, would not even be something a Pricne would have to concern himself with, since he would have people in palce, to do all those menial tasks. And I doubt there are many treaties to sign on a daily basis in Thedas generally....

And what the actual **** are you talking about, "a bit slow" is not a strong implication of mental retardation.... All it implies is that he isn't very smart, which is not exactly uncommon in royalty by any stretch of the imagination... Hell, even Alistair could be described as "a little slow" initially, luckily he improves over time.
And none of the nobles would be trying to get their hands on the crown of Starkhaven for aslong as a Vael lives. They might try to manouver themselves into power, but tehy can never get the crown for themselves, in other ways than through marriage. And as long as tehre is peace, peasants wouldn't give two pots of ****** about who sits on the throne. During peace time, the peasants would be more concerned with getting the harvest, than "oh dear, it is not the rightful king ruling me right now!"

[ComfortablyNumb]

Plaintiff wrote...

Because nothing happens in peace time! Except for laws changing, and officials needing to be appointed, and trades to be negotiated and events to be organised and supplies to be maintained and troops to be trained and nobility to placate and trials to adjudicate and treaties to sign and lord knows what else.

You think the people simply won't notice that they're being ruled by a man who is strongly implied to be mentally retarded? You think peace will last long in Starkhaven, with unscrupulous lords and ladies tripping over themselves to get their grubby hands on the Starkhaven crown?

If Sebastian really believes the stupid things he says, then mental disability must run in the family.

Let me play devil's advocate here - do you think they would fall over themselves to switch this "simple" cousin for Sebastian, who was pretty much raised in Chantry and has no ruling experience whatsoever? 

I think the main point is - we don't know what is happening in Starkhaven. That said - we don't know if Sebastian doesn't know as well. He may be getting "progress reports". But all we really can do is headcanon here. 

[Dabrikishaw]

StreetMagic wrote...

I couldn't get much use out of him. He could be an alright character, bu his best power was that chain power up, and it seemed like you had to make use of it manually. Never figured out the tactics for it. I took Varric just about everywhere instead.

That, and by Act 3 Varric's weapon could have 4 rune slots to enchant for extra damage, making Sebastion underpowered without an elemental bow.

[Fiery Knight]

Plaintiff wrote...
What we do know is that Sebastian's cousin is "a bit slow", leaving him open to manipulation by unscrupulous characters like, oh, say, the demon-possessed Lady Harimann, who intended to wed her daughter to Goran Vael and use him as a puppet to control Starkhaven?

You make him sound like a retarded person, yet there is no indication on that. The only thing that is indicated on is that he may not be so smart.

And how the hell would Goran know Lady Harimann is puppteded by a desire demon!? The main Vael family disregarded Goran and his claim to the throne, so no wonder he would want to gain the influence of the Harimanns and wed their daughter. 

And so you mean that since we don't hear about Starkhaven being in famine or such is the reason it isn't? Yeah right that is far fetched, guess you missed the point eniterly where Sebastian indirectly explains that this is not the case. 

Because nothing happens in peace time! Except for laws changing, and officials needing to be appointed, and trades to be negotiated and events to be organised and supplies to be maintained and troops to be trained and nobility to placate and trials to adjudicate and treaties to sign and lord knows what else.

Goes to show you don't know a lot about the art of ruling. Tasks that you stated don't need a Prince's consent. Sebastian tracking down the murseres and stopping them from getting control is more important than being in Starkhaven doing nothing that couldn't be done without him. And when the other nobilites learn what happened to the Harimanns (and that they now support the Vaels again) no one will  dare to go against the VSebthe Vael,.

[Fiery Knight]

mrufka_z wrote...

I think the main point is - we don't know what is happening in Starkhaven. That said - we don't know if Sebastian doesn't know as well. He may be getting "progress reports". But all we really can do is headcanon here. 

Why the hell would Sebastian, heir to the "throne", get "progress reports" from Starkhaven that wouldn't state the situation the city is in, especially if he is Rivaled and wants to return to Starkhaven? Pretty sure everything is well, otherwise it would be stated so. 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Hawke_12 wrote...

mrufka_z wrote...

I think the main point is - we don't know what is happening in Starkhaven. That said - we don't know if Sebastian doesn't know as well. He may be getting "progress reports". But all we really can do is headcanon here. 

Why the hell would Sebastian, heir to the "throne", get "progress reports" from Starkhaven that wouldn't state the situation the city is in, especially if he is Rivaled and wants to return to Starkhaven? Pretty sure everything is well, otherwise it would be stated so. 

I never said that those (hypothetical) reports wouldn't include situation in the city. I actually meant opposite...  

[karushna5]

He was my favorite character in DA2 with a close second being Carver, I found him incredibly unsure, but I liked him because he is one of the least fanatical at least in regards to his plot. I am still disappointed his romance was so sexual and had some pretty bawdy lines, but I really like him.

[Fiery Knight]

mrufka_z wrote...



I never said that those (hypothetical) reports wouldn't include situation in the city. I actually meant opposite...  

Ah, sorry. Was really tired and misread your post.