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[Liamv2]

Please no he is my most hated character in the DA series

[berelinde]

You know, Liamv2, having Sebastian return does not necessarily mean having him return as a companion. How would you feel if he returned as an adversary? Given his staunch support of the Chantry and the possibility that we may be given the opportunity to actively oppose the Chantry, I could see it happening. A Sebastian who has been hardened by Hawke's rivalry (and possible rejection of his endgame demands) might be an entertaining foe. That's what I keep telling myself, anyway.

[Willowhugger]

StreetMagic wrote...

I highly doubt there will be much of a chance to oppose the chantry. There will be plenty of chances to oppose the Templars, however. And those Templars aren't part of the chantry anymore. If anything, it'll be the Chantry Seekers who tell you to round them up.

Sebastian's Rivalry support of Hawke was also pretty cool. If you do kill Anders then he has a conversation with Hawke where he talks about how Andraste was a champion of the oppressed and right now that's mages.

[berelinde]

StreetMagic wrote...

I highly doubt there will be much of a chance to oppose the chantry.

It was stated a while ago that not only would the protagonist not be required to work for the Chantry, he or she would be given the opportunity to oppose them. It was in one of the religion threads. This doesn't mean that people who like the Chantry won't be able to throw in their support for them, but the way it looks now, it will be optional rather than obligatory.

This is kind of off topic, but I've got a feeling that the mage/templar conflict is going to be less of an issue in DA3 than it was in DA2. That isn't to say that it won't exist! It's just that it won't be the only ball in the air. I've got a feeling that it will be less "us vs. them" and more "sentient beings vs. annihilation." But that's just a hunch.

[Willowhugger]

Let me play devil's advocate here - do you think they would fall over themselves to switch this "simple" cousin for Sebastian, who was pretty much raised in Chantry and has no ruling experience whatsoever? 

I think the main point is - we don't know what is happening in Starkhaven. That said - we don't know if Sebastian doesn't know as well. He may be getting "progress reports". But all we really can do is headcanon here.

One of the cool things about Sebastian, actually, is he recognizes this. He's like the anti-noble you typically see in fantasy.

"Yeah, I want to be Prince and I'd love to overthrow the people who overthrew me. However, let's face it, the common people don't give a **** about who sits on the throne and if I go to war--a bunch of innocent people will die. I can't do that."

Modifié par Willowhugger, 23 mai 2013 - 03:56 .

[Fallstar]

Me too. So I can kill the treacherous bastard.

[Beerfish]

He was okay, he had a reasonable back story. I wouldn't mind a reappearance.

[schalafi]

Only if he's turned from a whining, Elthena clinging boy, into a man.

[Plaintiff]

Hawke_12 wrote...
And how the hell would Goran know Lady Harimann is puppteded by a desire demon!?

He wouldn't. That is the problem.

The main Vael family disregarded Goran and his claim to the throne, so no wonder he would want to gain the influence of the Harimanns and wed their daughter.

And then a demon would be in charge of Starkhaven! Do you not see the issue at all?

And so you mean that since we don't hear about Starkhaven being in famine or such is the reason it isn't?

I'm saying we don't know, you're the one making assumptions about what is or is not happening there.

Yeah right that is far fetched, guess you missed the point eniterly where Sebastian indirectly explains that this is not the case.

When did he ever do this?

Goes to show you don't know a lot about the art of ruling. Tasks that you stated don't need a Prince's consent. Sebastian tracking down the murseres and stopping them from getting control is more important than being in Starkhaven doing nothing that couldn't be done without him. And when the other nobilites learn what happened to the Harimanns (and that they now support the Vaels again) no one will  dare to go against the VSebthe Vael,.

Yes, finding and stopping the murderers is important. And you know who would be better for that job than Sebastian? Literally anybody else. As next direct heir to the Starkhaven throne, his responsibility is to stay alive, not to dick around in amateur espionage, or tag along with mercenaries.

If he was serious about getting revenge, he should've assumed the throne like he was supposed to and used Starkhaven resources to hire professionals. Instead, he sticks a note up on the Chantry Board and goes home to twiddle his thumbs.

[Sejborg]

No. Keep him away.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Plaintiff wrote...

Goes to show you don't know a lot about the art of ruling. Tasks that you stated don't need a Prince's consent. Sebastian tracking down the murseres and stopping them from getting control is more important than being in Starkhaven doing nothing that couldn't be done without him. And when the other nobilites learn what happened to the Harimanns (and that they now support the Vaels again) no one will  dare to go against the VSebthe Vael,.

Yes, finding and stopping the murderers is important. And you know who would be better for that job than Sebastian? Literally anybody else. As next direct heir to the Starkhaven throne, his responsibility is to stay alive, not to dick around in amateur espionage, or tag along with mercenaries.

If he was serious about getting revenge, he should've assumed the throne like he was supposed to and used Starkhaven resources to hire professionals. Instead, he sticks a note up on the Chantry Board and goes home to twiddle his thumbs.

Actually Sebastian was not enxt in line of succession. He had depreciated his right to the throne when he joined the Chantry. It was his belief in the Maker and loyalty to both the CHantry and his family, that made him doubt the right course of action. No matter what he did, he would be betraying one of the two most important parts of his life.

[EmperorSahlertz]

StreetMagic wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Goes to show you don't know a lot about the art of ruling. Tasks that you stated don't need a Prince's consent. Sebastian tracking down the murseres and stopping them from getting control is more important than being in Starkhaven doing nothing that couldn't be done without him. And when the other nobilites learn what happened to the Harimanns (and that they now support the Vaels again) no one will  dare to go against the VSebthe Vael,.

Yes, finding and stopping the murderers is important. And you know who would be better for that job than Sebastian? Literally anybody else. As next direct heir to the Starkhaven throne, his responsibility is to stay alive, not to dick around in amateur espionage, or tag along with mercenaries.

If he was serious about getting revenge, he should've assumed the throne like he was supposed to and used Starkhaven resources to hire professionals. Instead, he sticks a note up on the Chantry Board and goes home to twiddle his thumbs.

Actually Sebastian was not enxt in line of succession. He had depreciated his right to the throne when he joined the Chantry. It was his belief in the Maker and loyalty to both the CHantry and his family, that made him doubt the right course of action. No matter what he did, he would be betraying one of the two most important parts of his life.

And I think it's Elthina that created this false dichotomy in the first place. She appears to be a part of a branch of the Chantry that's more spiritual and pacifist in nature. I don't think there's anything in the Chantry itself that forbade him from going to Starkhaven (I mean, Andraste is basically a composite of Joan of Arc, Boudica, as well as Jesus. Only the latter was a pure pacifist). I think she's an alright character, but a lot of Sebastian's faults are hers imo.

It's not so much about him going to war, as it is about him gaining a secular title. He depreciated his right to the title, and any other worldly title, when he became affirmed in the Chantry. Of course this doesn't really hold any real affect, and if he really wished to gain the title anyway, the CHantry wouldn't be able to stop him. However, Sebastian is loyal to the Chantry, and sees it as a betrayal of the Chantry's trust to go back on his own word. However, he is also loyal to his family, which calls for him to avenge them, and to reclaim Starkhaven in their name, and he sees it as a betrayal of his family if he doesn't do this. This is the core of Sebastian's character story, and I personally, find it engaging.

[Truffle]

Out of all the DA2 companions I'd say Sebastian is the Kaidan Alenko of the game. He's just a nice guy overall and people tend to associate niceness with blandness.

The major disappointment for me was players weren't allowed to visit Starkhaven so The Exiled Prince DLC fell a little flat.

[The Elder King]

berelinde wrote...



This is kind of off topic, but I've got a feeling that the mage/templar conflict is going to be less of an issue in DA3 than it was in DA2. That isn't to say that it won't exist! It's just that it won't be the only ball in the air. I've got a feeling that it will be less "us vs. them" and more "sentient beings vs. annihilation." But that's just a hunch.

Considering that the leak and some tweets hinted a big evil as the main plot, it's plausible that the mage-templar war might not be the central focus of the game. We might have to end the conflict between mages and templars in another game.

[Yggdrasil]

I love me some Sebastian, but he was pissed when I didn't kill Anders!

[frostajulie]

if he comes back I sure hope I can kill that prejudiced hypocritical maker butt kissing Andraste's knicker humping weasel. I hate that guy so damn much and was really bummed I could not kill him every single one of my Hawke's would have killed that ******. Thats a compliment bioware you already knew you could make us love your characters now you know you can make us loathe them as well but not in a utterly reject his existence way like with space brat but rather in a I love this guy in this universe so I can hate him kind of way.

[Willowhugger]

frostajulie wrote...

if he comes back I sure hope I can kill that prejudiced hypocritical maker butt kissing Andraste's knicker humping weasel. I hate that guy so damn much and was really bummed I could not kill him every single one of my Hawke's would have killed that ******. Thats a compliment bioware you already knew you could make us love your characters now you know you can make us loathe them as well but not in a utterly reject his existence way like with space brat but rather in a I love this guy in this universe so I can hate him kind of way.

May I ask what annoyed you so much?

[Nefla]

Willowhugger wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

if he comes back I sure hope I can kill that prejudiced hypocritical maker butt kissing Andraste's knicker humping weasel. I hate that guy so damn much and was really bummed I could not kill him every single one of my Hawke's would have killed that ******. Thats a compliment bioware you already knew you could make us love your characters now you know you can make us loathe them as well but not in a utterly reject his existence way like with space brat but rather in a I love this guy in this universe so I can hate him kind of way.

May I ask what annoyed you so much?

My guess is they either obsessively love Anders, or hate religious people.

[Fredward]

Only if I get to kill the annoying, preachy, hypocritical, indecisive, chantry-loving, self righteous, incompetent, arrogant, narrow minded little ****.

Still peeved at the fact that I didn't get to set his eyes on fire at the end of DA2.

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 24 mai 2013 - 06:20 .

[ComfortablyNumb]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Only if I get to kill the annoying, preachy, hypocritical, indecisive, chantry-loving, self righteous, incompetent, arrogant, narrow minded little ****.

Still peeved at the fact that I didn't get to set his eyes on fire at the end of DA2.

I hope it happens for you. As long as I get to kill the characters I hate...