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[crimzontearz]

iakus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

for the longest time I was unable to replay the game for that reason

MEHEM literally saved the series for me.

sadly I am on xbox

[chemiclord]

iakus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

for the longest time I was unable to replay the game for that reason

MEHEM literally saved the series for me.

And yet you're still here every day crying about how you didn't get a happy ending.

Cry some more.  Your bitter tears sustain me.

Modifié par chemiclord, 26 mai 2013 - 01:06 .

[AresKeith]

chemiclord wrote...

iakus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

for the longest time I was unable to replay the game for that reason

MEHEM literally saved the series for me.

And yet you're still here every day crying about how you didn't get a happy ending.

Cry some more.

Yet he's really not

Try again

[chemiclord]

AresKeith wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

iakus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

for the longest time I was unable to replay the game for that reason

MEHEM literally saved the series for me.

And yet you're still here every day crying about how you didn't get a happy ending.

Cry some more.

Yet he's really not

Try again

Yes.  He is.

Go into damn near every discussion, and he's crying about how he didn't feel like he had "won", or that he felt he "lost", or trumping how wonderful MEHEM is.

He never STOPS crying about the ending.

[AresKeith]

chemiclord wrote...

Yes.  He is.

Go into damn near every discussion, and he's crying about how he didn't feel like he had "won", or that he felt he "lost", or trumping how wonderful MEHEM is.

He never STOPS crying about the ending.

And I do see that but that doesn't point to "always crying about the ending"

He has MEHEM to make him enjoy the series again, but that doesn't change his opinion or how he feels towards the current endings

[chemiclord]

First off: I apologize for the bitter sniping I engaged in.

Now, here's the thing. I DON'T think MEHEM actually "saved" anything. Which is WHY people are still here simmering at best of that ****acular piece of **** Bioware called a conclusion. Because it's not the fans' job to make the story they are experiencing complete,

It's why I scoff at "interpretations" that Bioware tried to encourage, and why mod attempts like MEHEM (despite Mr. Fob doing a pretty damn good job with the limited resources he had, even if I personally find it fundamentally lacking). Bioware abjectly failed as storytellers pretty much for the entirety of ME2 and ME3. I mean... that's pretty much the long and short of it in my opinion.

There's no "saving" it.

[Iakus]

chemiclord wrote...

Yes.  He is.

Go into damn near every discussion, and he's crying about how he didn't feel like he had "won", or that he felt he "lost", or trumping how wonderful MEHEM is.

He never STOPS crying about the ending.

And you never stop crying about me or anyone else unhappy with the ending.

Pot.  Meet Kettle.

You know why I come here to complain?  Because MEHEM provided what Bioware should have.  

Yeah, I know that's going to raise your blood pressure.  Deal with it.

The endings, including EC were so bad I uninstalled the whole frakking trilogy and didn't touch the game for months.  MEHEM brought me back.  It got me to reinstal the game.  It inspired me to buy DLC.  It tuned the game into a game for me again, not a five year long trolling.

[Iakus]

chemiclord wrote...

First off: I apologize for the bitter sniping I engaged in.

Now, here's the thing. I DON'T think MEHEM actually "saved" anything. Which is WHY people are still here simmering at best of that ****acular piece of **** Bioware called a conclusion. Because it's not the fans' job to make the story they are experiencing complete,

In part, I agree.  It's not the fans' job to "complete" the story.

However, if Bioware can't or won't complete the experience, someone has to.  Some stories have to be completed by others.  

 It's why I scoff at "interpretations" that Bioware tried to encourage, and why mod attempts like MEHEM (despite Mr. Fob doing a pretty damn good job with the limited resources he had, even if I personally find it fundamentally lacking). Bioware abjectly failed as storytellers pretty much for the entirety of ME2 and ME3. I mean... that's pretty much the long and short of it in my opinion.

There's no "saving" it.

Don't get me wrong, ME3 has its share of flaws.  But it's been "saved" in that the game is now playable to me.  I can complete the story without my Shepard going from hero to war criminal.  It excised the worst of the WTF.

Modifié par iakus, 26 mai 2013 - 01:24 .

[crimzontearz]

chemiclord wrote...

First off: I apologize for the bitter sniping I engaged in.

Now, here's the thing. I DON'T think MEHEM actually "saved" anything. Which is WHY people are still here simmering at best of that ****acular piece of **** Bioware called a conclusion. Because it's not the fans' job to make the story they are experiencing complete,

It's why I scoff at "interpretations" that Bioware tried to encourage, and why mod attempts like MEHEM (despite Mr. Fob doing a pretty damn good job with the limited resources he had, even if I personally find it fundamentally lacking). Bioware abjectly failed as storytellers pretty much for the entirety of ME2 and ME3. I mean... that's pretty much the long and short of it in my opinion.

There's no "saving" it.

oh there is saving it....Bioware is just unwilling to because, you know, art and apparently people are really ok with it and it is oly us who is upset

[chemiclord]

crimzontearz wrote...
oh there is saving it....Bioware is just unwilling to because, you know, art and apparently people are really ok with it and it is oly us who is upset

No.  There really isn't.

Even IF Bioware wanted to go back, completely rewrite the ending, and patch it over that garbage they produced the first time... NO publisher on Planet Earth (not even the wonderful world of Valve) would sign off on it if it didn't come with a price tag attached, much less that bloated corporate corpse that calls itself Electronic Arts.

And that would only open up the clouds for an entirely new ****storm of rage.  It would certainly sell, I have no doubt about that, but it wouldn't salve any bitter feelings.

Modifié par chemiclord, 26 mai 2013 - 01:47 .

[FlamingBoy]

chemiclord wrote...

Yes.  He is.

Go into damn near every discussion, and he's crying about how he didn't feel like he had "won", or that he felt he "lost", or trumping how wonderful MEHEM is.

He never STOPS crying about the ending.

Well thats the issue isn't it. There is not much to talk about beyond the ending. That ending ramifications were so huge on the universe that any discussion on lore, characters, future, and even past is somehow connected to the ending.

That is not really the fault of the "cryers" it just the reality of me3. There is nothing about mass effect that you can talk about with out the ending being somehow relevant.

[AlanC9]

chemiclord wrote...
Yes.  He is.

Go into damn near every discussion, and he's crying about how he didn't feel like he had "won", or that he felt he "lost", or trumping how wonderful MEHEM is.

He never STOPS crying about the ending.

Well, yeah. And you're always here calling people out  (usually rightly) on their irrationality, lsck of coherent standards, and so forth, and I'm always here doing whatever it is I do.

And this is what iakus does.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

chemiclord wrote...
Yes.  He is.

Go into damn near every discussion, and he's crying about how he didn't feel like he had "won", or that he felt he "lost", or trumping how wonderful MEHEM is.

He never STOPS crying about the ending.

Well, yeah. And you're always here calling people out  (usually rightly) on their irrationality, lsck of coherent standards, and so forth, and I'm always here doing whatever it is I do.

And this is what iakus does.

Stop, you're making me blush

[crimzontearz]

chemiclord wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
oh there is saving it....Bioware is just unwilling to because, you know, art and apparently people are really ok with it and it is oly us who is upset

No.  There really isn't.

Even IF Bioware wanted to go back, completely rewrite the ending, and patch it over that garbage they produced the first time... NO publisher on Planet Earth (not even the wonderful world of Valve) would sign off on it if it didn't come with a price tag attached, much less that bloated corporate corpse that calls itself Electronic Arts.

And that would only open up the clouds for an entirely new ****storm of rage.  It would certainly sell, I have no doubt about that, but it wouldn't salve any bitter feelings.

I never said saving it would not come at a price did  I?

[chemiclord]

crimzontearz wrote...
I never said saving it would not come at a price did  I?

Would the price be worth it?

I would wager roughly 100% of publishers in the history of ever would say "No."

Well... actually... AFTER they stopped laughing uproariously for ten minutes at the very thought, THEN they would say "No.  Oh HELL NO.  No no no no no.  Wait... lemme think about it again... Nope.  Still no."

There's a reason such a large scale rewriting of a mass published work has never happened.  And it's NOT because people haven't ever been enraged by endings to the degree of ME3.

Modifié par chemiclord, 26 mai 2013 - 03:10 .

[Fiannawolf]

Once upon a time I would have wondered what a ME: Beyond Trilogy sequel would be like...but now? They can't possibly do anything with their versions of "endings". 1000 years in the future wouldn't work b/c they would be forced to choose a path out of 4. Unless they wanted 4 primary universes then rework all of the choices people did make. Even DA2 just had a basic set up for DAO stuff and half of those flags were messed up.

They wouldn't devote the needed resources to make all the possibilities exist so the only thing they could do is favor one ending over the others. We all got cattle prodded into 4 slates to the universe. None of them leave me feeling complete so I'll just play until TIM base..stop there b/f attack and load Citadel and fin. Well on the 360 version that is.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I've said it once, I'll say it again. The way to move on is to give canonize none of the endings. Sweep the entire Red, Green, and Blue ending rug and pretend it never happened that way in the first place. Do a giant retcon and make the Crucible detonate the Citadel. Use the thing about the "controlling the reapers" and make the reapers actually a networked consciousness through the Citadel "Intelligence."

Earth is not destroyed because the Citadel relay wasn't active. The Bahak System type detonation only happens with an active relay.

Shepard was successful in this mission. It made the reapers as dumb as varren and can no longer indoctrinate. The Allied fleet in turn was able to mop up all remaining reapers over the next few years. Shepard died a hero. The End. I know... blue babies... Sorry. There are sacrifices.

There. Now you can move on. It is that simple. The only thing you have to decide is:

* do the Geth survive, and in what form? Do you want to go back to Chris L'Etoile's idea of the geth and have them all in their megastructure, while the Quarians are on Rannoch learning how to adjust to their environment? Or do you want to have the Geth as individuals living side by side with the Quarians?

* Do AIs get to be allowed?

* They already have skin, bone, and muscle weaves, so a degree of transhumanism is already existing. The Quarians use cybernetic implants as well.

I guess there's a lot of rebuilding on the home worlds and colonies and they can move the story onward. See? That wasn't so difficult, was it?

[AresKeith]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I've said it once, I'll say it again. The way to move on is to give canonize none of the endings. Sweep the entire Red, Green, and Blue ending rug and pretend it never happened that way in the first place. Do a giant retcon and make the Crucible detonate the Citadel. Use the thing about the "controlling the reapers" and make the reapers actually a networked consciousness through the Citadel "Intelligence."

Earth is not destroyed because the Citadel relay wasn't active. The Bahak System type detonation only happens with an active relay.

Shepard was successful in this mission. It made the reapers as dumb as varren and can no longer indoctrinate. The Allied fleet in turn was able to mop up all remaining reapers over the next few years. Shepard died a hero. The End. I know... blue babies... Sorry. There are sacrifices.

There. Now you can move on. It is that simple. The only thing you have to decide is:

* do the Geth survive, and in what form? Do you want to go back to Chris L'Etoile's idea of the geth and have them all in their megastructure, while the Quarians are on Rannoch learning how to adjust to their environment? Or do you want to have the Geth as individuals living side by side with the Quarians?

* Do AIs get to be allowed?

* They already have skin, bone, and muscle weaves, so a degree of transhumanism is already existing. The Quarians use cybernetic implants as well.

I guess there's a lot of rebuilding on the home worlds and colonies and they can move the story onward. See? That wasn't so difficult, was it?

I would prefer this for the ending AND how to start off the sequal

[Fiannawolf]

The Hail Mary pass option for me would be ME4: The Real Battle for Earth then the next Chapter.

[Iakus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I've said it once, I'll say it again. The way to move on is to give canonize none of the endings. Sweep the entire Red, Green, and Blue ending rug and pretend it never happened that way in the first place. Do a giant retcon and make the Crucible detonate the Citadel. Use the thing about the "controlling the reapers" and make the reapers actually a networked consciousness through the Citadel "Intelligence."

Earth is not destroyed because the Citadel relay wasn't active. The Bahak System type detonation only happens with an active relay.

Shepard was successful in this mission. It made the reapers as dumb as varren and can no longer indoctrinate. The Allied fleet in turn was able to mop up all remaining reapers over the next few years. Shepard died a hero. The End. I know... blue babies... Sorry. There are sacrifices.

I wouldn't even give that much detail.  I'd just say the Reapers were defeated and leave it at that.  Zero details.  I would not even confirm or deny Shepard's death.  Maybe he died a hero.  Maybe he lived to a ripe old age with {LI name here}

[chemiclord]

I do agree that IF a sequel were to be made, that it shouldn't inherently feel obligated to canonize ANY ending, or even recognize specific details of what happened before.

Yes, the lore hounds will howl about Bioware still thumbing their noses at continuity, but whatever.

[AresKeith]

Morocco Mole wrote...

You guys are acting like a game with multiple endings has never had a canon ending before

We never said it hasn't

[chemiclord]

Morocco Mole wrote...

You guys are acting like a game with multiple endings has never had a canon ending before

The problem is that Bioware themselves had gone out of their way to claim there is no "canon playthrough."  To back out on that declaration now and establish a "canon" path for a sequel would simply stoke the flames of rage that are already being thrown at them.

Yes, it would ****** off a LOT of people (at least here on the BSN) to canonize an ending.

Modifié par chemiclord, 26 mai 2013 - 06:00 .