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crimzontearz wrote...

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So your evidence is an edit that you made yourself?

How long did it last?

no idea but after the EC it does not apply anymore does it? I would have deleted it myself after the EC


This is awfully lame. It's like citing a Wikipedia article you wrote yourself as evidence of your claims.

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AlanC9 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

So your evidence is an edit that you made yourself?

How long did it last?

no idea but after the EC it does not apply anymore does it? I would have deleted it myself after the EC


This is awfully lame. It's like citing a Wikipedia article you wrote yourself as evidence of your claims.

it's a trope, it fit the guidelines and then after the EC it did not


 
I fail to understand what is so hard to comprehend, if it had not been me it would have been another fan

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AlanC9 wrote...

So your evidence is an edit that you made yourself?

How long did it last?


Did you even read the definition?

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iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

So your evidence is an edit that you made yourself?

How long did it last?


Did you even read the definition?

I broke it down for him...but you know, it's Alan

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I think Reboot would be the best option honestly. They can redo the games, and this time end it in a way that it won't ****** off factions of fans.


You think there isn't a faction that would loathe a reboot?


No I'm sure there is a percent. But I doubt the outrage would be large as them going with one of the endings as canon.

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crimzontearz wrote...

I broke it down for him...but you know, it's Alan


I've actually found him to be a pretty smart debater, even if I don't agree with him much.

Which is why I'm so suprised he doesn't make the connection, whether he agrees with it or not.

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I do know Bioware has not said they would not do a sequal, but what I have read in the media, Bioware has shown more interest in teasing ideas about spin-offs and prequels. There has not been much of a mention of a sequel. Would you think that because it would be pretty hard to do a sequal if were to carry over the decisions from the previous installments? I would be ok with a sequal even if they had to canonize one of the endings (I know some people would not wish for Synthesis to be canonised) or an alternate reality.

I do not get much excitement when it comes to talks of prequels or certain spin-offs.


I think in this case that its better to let sleeping dogs lie.

WIth the possibility of so many different endings, choosing one  as cannon for a sequel will alienate a portion of the player base.  Its easier and more simple to just take the game from a new canvas (if you will) and start over.

I for one never wanted my Shepard to die.  I wanted a decent ending where he and his LI get to sail off into the sunset to have those little blue children.  That never gets to happen - and Bioware knows that the endings are a sore point for many of the fans.

The spinoff or prequel may be the only way they can retreat from all of that static they caused with the fans.

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I think in this case that its better to let sleeping dogs lie.

WIth the possibility of so many different endings, choosing one  as cannon for a sequel will alienate a portion of the player base.  Its easier and more simple to just take the game from a new canvas (if you will) and start over.

I for one never wanted my Shepard to die.  I wanted a decent ending where he and his LI get to sail off into the sunset to have those little blue children.  That never gets to happen - and Bioware knows that the endings are a sore point for many of the fans.

The spinoff or prequel may be the only way they can retreat from all of that static they caused with the fans.


Agreed.

Although prequels and spinoffs have their own problems, which is why I'm hoping for reboot./AU.

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Cripes, the "I wanted Shepard and my love interest to ride off into the sunset" crowd is going to give Bioware all the wrong ideas about why the ending was so unpopular, I can tell.

Y'ask me, what they did wrong was set up a "fridge logic" ending. Instead of being couched in terms of victory and defeat, Shepard winds up stuck in a beige maze of possibilities, none of which seems particularly appealing, and most of which make no kind of sense.

The Catalyst and Crucible, themselves, were simply bad ideas, which should not have been the focus of the third game.

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iakus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I broke it down for him...but you know, it's Alan


I've actually found him to be a pretty smart debater, even if I don't agree with him much.

Which is why I'm so suprised he doesn't make the connection, whether he agrees with it or not.

lately he is slipping 

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Megaton_Hope wrote...

Cripes, the "I wanted Shepard and my love interest to ride off into the sunset" crowd is going to give Bioware all the wrong ideas about why the ending was so unpopular, I can tell.

Y'ask me, what they did wrong was set up a "fridge logic" ending. Instead of being couched in terms of victory and defeat, Shepard winds up stuck in a beige maze of possibilities, none of which seems particularly appealing, and most of which make no kind of sense.

The Catalyst and Crucible, themselves, were simply bad ideas, which should not have been the focus of the third game.


Crucible was inevitable after all the wheel-spinning in ME2.

Catalyst, yeah was an awful idea.

As to Shepard & LI:  They do have a point in that there should have been "happy" outcomes for Shepard.  Sadly, the grimidark fans keep screaming "No!  It's not a bittersweet ending unless Shepard dies/loses everything he cared for!"  Varied endings, light and dark, not this uniform brownish sludge we got.

I mean, Dragon Age is adapting a perfectly functional sequel method, which is not dependant on the fate of the previous protagonist.

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iakus wrote...

Tonymac wrote...

I think in this case that its better to let sleeping dogs lie.

WIth the possibility of so many different endings, choosing one  as cannon for a sequel will alienate a portion of the player base.  Its easier and more simple to just take the game from a new canvas (if you will) and start over.

I for one never wanted my Shepard to die.  I wanted a decent ending where he and his LI get to sail off into the sunset to have those little blue children.  That never gets to happen - and Bioware knows that the endings are a sore point for many of the fans.

The spinoff or prequel may be the only way they can retreat from all of that static they caused with the fans.


Agreed.

Although prequels and spinoffs have their own problems, which is why I'm hoping for reboot./AU.

this year proved that spin offs and prequels sell poorly regardless of how good they actually are

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Megaton_Hope wrote...

Cripes, the "I wanted Shepard and my love interest to ride off into the sunset" crowd is going to give Bioware all the wrong ideas about why the ending was so unpopular, I can tell.

Y'ask me, what they did wrong was set up a "fridge logic" ending. Instead of being couched in terms of victory and defeat, Shepard winds up stuck in a beige maze of possibilities, none of which seems particularly appealing, and most of which make no kind of sense.

The Catalyst and Crucible, themselves, were simply bad ideas, which should not have been the focus of the third game.


Oh, I agree with you 100% there as well - I was not trying to say the ONLY reason I didn't like the ending was due to the non-romantical ending.  If Shep and LI had to sacrafice themselves to save the galaxy, then so be it.  But if I do have to die, then I want some endings where the galaxy is better off and I saved as many lives as I could.  Like EDI and the Geth - at least for my Paragon run   >:o)

I despise the Crucible and Catalyst ideas.  I think that a much better story could have been written.

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iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

So your evidence is an edit that you made yourself?

How long did it last?


Did you even read the definition?


Yeah. I didn't buy his argument; more of the same nonsense Spambot's been pushing.

Should have just taken it on rather than get distracted by this stuff, though.

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AlanC9 wrote...

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

So your evidence is an edit that you made yourself?

How long did it last?


Did you even read the definition?


Yeah. I didn't buy his argument; more of the same nonsense Spambot's been pushing.

Should have just taken it on rather than get distracted by this stuff, though.

MY argument? are you dense? it's a TROPE.....there is no argument, either it fits or it does not

wtf is wrong with you today?

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Didn't they say that shepards story was going to be a trilogy from the start because i remmember they did.

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You know, it would have been so much easier if they just did a destroy canon. Shepard lives, and then it fast forwards to 50 years later, and he is very old; he then gives the new protagonist the spectre reigns and then dies, old and happy. The galaxy is in conflict with new races attempting to gain power after the Reapers devastated the galaxy, and the protagonist must resolve the issue before the galaxy is destroyed, yet again, by a another war. I'm just trying to think of things, but that is just one of my possible theories for a sequel, seeing that a midquel/ prequel would be pretty stupid, since we already know what happens in the end: our choices won't matter, so a sequel is the best option, in my opinion.

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AlanC9 wrote...

Yeah. I didn't buy his argument; more of the same nonsense Spambot's been pushing.

Should have just taken it on rather than get distracted by this stuff, though.


Happy as I am to see that people get what I'm saying, I am a little disappointed to see this fan-created "nonsense" meme attributed to my Artistic Interpretation. I never talked nonsense, some BSN members misinterpreted my common sense as such.

Seriously though, what's so far out about Hudson and Walters intentionally putting a stop to the Mass Effect story? Some amateur psychologists on BSN have gone to the extreme of calling such speculation "insane". So, naturally I asked a professional psychotherapist if such a suspicion is a sure sign of tin-hatted conspiracy paranoia. From what I could gather of his response (the people in that particular racket tend to be very reluctant to be pinned down to any definitive statement), it does not in itself indicate any pathology, and is in fact broadly speaking within the realm of plausibility. I might have an occasion to come in contact with another mental health professional of my acquaintance in the coming month or so, so I might as well ask for a second opinion, should the opportunity arise.

Mac Walters said we can't have post-ending DLC because the galaxy will be a "boring wasteland". You apparently seriously think that this was an accident that he only noticed after creating that ending. Because everything else is just too nutty to consider, right?

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SpamBot2000 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Yeah. I didn't buy his argument; more of the same nonsense Spambot's been pushing.

Should have just taken it on rather than get distracted by this stuff, though.


Happy as I am to see that people get what I'm saying, I am a little disappointed to see this fan-created "nonsense" meme attributed to my Artistic Interpretation. I never talked nonsense, some BSN members misinterpreted my common sense as such.

Seriously though, what's so far out about Hudson and Walters intentionally putting a stop to the Mass Effect story? Some amateur psychologists on BSN have gone to the extreme of calling such speculation "insane". So, naturally I asked a professional psychotherapist if such a suspicion is a sure sign of tin-hatted conspiracy paranoia. From what I could gather of his response (the people in that particular racket tend to be very reluctant to be pinned down to any definitive statement), it does not in itself indicate any pathology, and is in fact broadly speaking within the realm of plausibility. I might have an occasion to come in contact with another mental health professional of my acquaintance in the coming month or so, so I might as well ask for a second opinion, should the opportunity arise.

Mac Walters said we can't have post-ending DLC because the galaxy will be a "boring wasteland". You apparently seriously think that this was an accident that he only noticed after creating that ending. Because everything else is just too nutty to consider, right?

Arthur Conan Doyle killed Sherlock and torched the franchise because he was tired of writing about him. Who's to say the same wouldn't apply to Casey and Mac?

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They wrote themselves into a corner with ME3's ending. The only way out is to either set an ending as canon and pick up right where the story left off or to set it extremely far into the future where the divergent endings have less of a divergent impact.

That said, I would much prefer a sequel to anything else they've proposed. It's pretty obvious that they have no idea what to do at this point. That's the only reason Casey Hudson keeps asking fans for ideas.

you're a moron, no matter how far you go into the future synthesis will remain the same and I doubt the reapers will just fly off and disappear in control either not to mention we'll end up with another 11th hour deus ex machina if whatever possible villains you have can destroy the reapers whom not even the entire galaxy could defeat :mellow:

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SpamBot2000 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Yeah. I didn't buy his argument; more of the same nonsense Spambot's been pushing.

Should have just taken it on rather than get distracted by this stuff, though.


Happy as I am to see that people get what I'm saying, I am a little disappointed to see this fan-created "nonsense" meme attributed to my Artistic Interpretation. I never talked nonsense, some BSN members misinterpreted my common sense as such.

Seriously though, what's so far out about Hudson and Walters intentionally putting a stop to the Mass Effect story? Some amateur psychologists on BSN have gone to the extreme of calling such speculation "insane". So, naturally I asked a professional psychotherapist if such a suspicion is a sure sign of tin-hatted conspiracy paranoia. From what I could gather of his response (the people in that particular racket tend to be very reluctant to be pinned down to any definitive statement), it does not in itself indicate any pathology, and is in fact broadly speaking within the realm of plausibility. I might have an occasion to come in contact with another mental health professional of my acquaintance in the coming month or so, so I might as well ask for a second opinion, should the opportunity arise.

Mac Walters said we can't have post-ending DLC because the galaxy will be a "boring wasteland". You apparently seriously think that this was an accident that he only noticed after creating that ending. Because everything else is just too nutty to consider, right?




A trope is not a fan created meme, indeed many authors have torched their franchise and ran, the fact you interpreted it that way before even knowing the trope existed and is more widespread than one would think only reinforces that it might very well be the case.

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crimzontearz wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Yeah. I didn't buy his argument; more of the same nonsense Spambot's been pushing.

Should have just taken it on rather than get distracted by this stuff, though.


Happy as I am to see that people get what I'm saying, I am a little disappointed to see this fan-created "nonsense" meme attributed to my Artistic Interpretation. I never talked nonsense, some BSN members misinterpreted my common sense as such.

Seriously though, what's so far out about Hudson and Walters intentionally putting a stop to the Mass Effect story? Some amateur psychologists on BSN have gone to the extreme of calling such speculation "insane". So, naturally I asked a professional psychotherapist if such a suspicion is a sure sign of tin-hatted conspiracy paranoia. From what I could gather of his response (the people in that particular racket tend to be very reluctant to be pinned down to any definitive statement), it does not in itself indicate any pathology, and is in fact broadly speaking within the realm of plausibility. I might have an occasion to come in contact with another mental health professional of my acquaintance in the coming month or so, so I might as well ask for a second opinion, should the opportunity arise.

Mac Walters said we can't have post-ending DLC because the galaxy will be a "boring wasteland". You apparently seriously think that this was an accident that he only noticed after creating that ending. Because everything else is just too nutty to consider, right?




A trope is not a fan created meme, indeed many authors have torched their franchise and ran, the fact you interpreted it that way before even knowing the trope existed and is more widespread than one would think only reinforces that it might very well be the case.



OR, it all could just be over imagined.

personally it wouldn't bother me what they do with the trilogy, as long as they install more information with the theories. lol

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commander root657 wrote...

Calibrations52 wrote...

They wrote themselves into a corner with ME3's ending. The only way out is to either set an ending as canon and pick up right where the story left off or to set it extremely far into the future where the divergent endings have less of a divergent impact.

That said, I would much prefer a sequel to anything else they've proposed. It's pretty obvious that they have no idea what to do at this point. That's the only reason Casey Hudson keeps asking fans for ideas.

you're a moron, no matter how far you go into the future synthesis will remain the same and I doubt the reapers will just fly off and disappear in control either not to mention we'll end up with another 11th hour deus ex machina if whatever possible villains you have can destroy the reapers whom not even the entire galaxy could defeat :mellow:

they they will pull a Deus Ex since Casey loves it so much

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Wayning_Star wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Yeah. I didn't buy his argument; more of the same nonsense Spambot's been pushing.

Should have just taken it on rather than get distracted by this stuff, though.


Happy as I am to see that people get what I'm saying, I am a little disappointed to see this fan-created "nonsense" meme attributed to my Artistic Interpretation. I never talked nonsense, some BSN members misinterpreted my common sense as such.

Seriously though, what's so far out about Hudson and Walters intentionally putting a stop to the Mass Effect story? Some amateur psychologists on BSN have gone to the extreme of calling such speculation "insane". So, naturally I asked a professional psychotherapist if such a suspicion is a sure sign of tin-hatted conspiracy paranoia. From what I could gather of his response (the people in that particular racket tend to be very reluctant to be pinned down to any definitive statement), it does not in itself indicate any pathology, and is in fact broadly speaking within the realm of plausibility. I might have an occasion to come in contact with another mental health professional of my acquaintance in the coming month or so, so I might as well ask for a second opinion, should the opportunity arise.

Mac Walters said we can't have post-ending DLC because the galaxy will be a "boring wasteland". You apparently seriously think that this was an accident that he only noticed after creating that ending. Because everything else is just too nutty to consider, right?




A trope is not a fan created meme, indeed many authors have torched their franchise and ran, the fact you interpreted it that way before even knowing the trope existed and is more widespread than one would think only reinforces that it might very well be the case.



OR, it all could just be over imagined.

personally it wouldn't bother me what they do with the trilogy, as long as they install more information with the theories. lol


Please read my previous post for a breakdown of the trope, you will see that it fits the guidelines, of course as I said the EC rectified it

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I just think that the destroy dupe in the endgame seems cruel and unusual for those hep on that theory of removing reapers.. the old fashioned way.. lol