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[mass perfection]

 I see good in Synthesis but the bad in it seems to outweigh it.Convince meto believe otherwise or try to justify it.

[HiddenInWar]

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[Seival]

Good and bad are just words. Each person understands them in his/her/its own way.

Modifié par Seival, 22 mai 2013 - 09:37 .

[mass perfection]

Seival wrote...

Good and bad are just words. Each person understands them in his own way.

Do YOU see any evil in Synthesis?

[XI BlackHawx IX]

Saving everyone including Reapers for the life of one

Im personally a destroyer because i personally cannot justify making a galaxy changing choice like that, pretty much everyone besides TIM & Cerberus wanted the Reapers destroyed and that seemed like the goal (for Shepard) from ME1 on.

I don't see how synthesis is evil, its just morally wrong to make that choice for everyone

Modifié par XI BlackHawx IX, 22 mai 2013 - 09:38 .

[KaiserShep]

Why do you need convincing? It seems that you already have some idea of what's bad about it, or else this thread would not exist. I personally don't see synthesis as evil, though I do see it as wholly wrong in the way it's implemented in Mass Effect, thus could never support it. What good things do you see in it, and why are they not sufficient for you to determine whether or not you agree with synthesis?

[mass perfection]

XI BlackHawx IX wrote...

Saving everyone including Reapers for the life of one

Im personally a destroyer because i personally cannot justify making a galaxy changing choice like that, pretty much everyone besides TIM & Cerberus wanted the Reapers destroyed and that seemed like the goal (for Shepard) from ME1 on.

I don't see how synthesis is evil, its just morally wrong to make that choice for everyone

Synthesis literally makes EVERYTHING in the galaxy a Reaper.

[Seival]

mass perfection wrote...

Seival wrote...

Good and bad are just words. Each person understands them in his/her/its own way.

Do YOU see any evil in Synthesis?

My own vision of evil tells me that there is nothing evil in Synthesis. But since there are no universal ethical rules, some people will agree, and some will disagree with that. There will be some stubborn and repulsive people among the ones who disagree. They will consider my opinion as an insult, and will try to insult me in reply (as always).

[XI BlackHawx IX]

mass perfection wrote...

XI BlackHawx IX wrote...

Saving everyone including Reapers for the life of one

Im personally a destroyer because i personally cannot justify making a galaxy changing choice like that, pretty much everyone besides TIM & Cerberus wanted the Reapers destroyed and that seemed like the goal (for Shepard) from ME1 on.

I don't see how synthesis is evil, its just morally wrong to make that choice for everyone

Synthesis literally makes EVERYTHING in the galaxy a Reaper.

It makes sythetics part organic and organics part sytheric (and green for someone reason)...."its the last stage of evolution" as quoted from Starbrat something has to be able to evolve to go through a stage of evoulution which Geth/AI's and all organics can do

Toasters arent gonna come alive and suddenly gonna start shooting red beams at you

[jstme]

Synthesis is vague with no real explanation as far as ME universe laws and lore is concerned, everyone sees in it different things.
It is like green Rorschach blob.

[Auld Wulf]

What evil? What bad? That's like saying that the cellphone you have with which you can call a paramedic to save your dying grandmother's life is evil. It's ridiculous! It's an upgrade to the human state, that's all. The Internet was such an upgrade, electricity, modern medicine, even the cellphone! It's just change brought on by upgrades, each of them improving our quality of life.

Unless you're some crazy kind of nutty luddite, what evil?

Sigh.

This is what makes normally nice people hate Destroyers, because they're always spewing this bile over other peoples' choices. It's this kind of nonsense all the time that made me so vehemently anti-Destroy.

Modifié par Auld Wulf, 22 mai 2013 - 09:55 .

[Astartes Marine]

Seival wrote...
My own vision of evil tells me that there is nothing evil in Synthesis. But since there are no universal ethical rules, some people will agree, and some will disagree with that. There will be some stubborn and repulsive people among the ones who disagree. They will consider my opinion as an insult, and will try to insult me in reply (as always).

Now there's something that's not the norm for you, a level headed response.  I'm genuinely impressed.

Just what is your version of "evil" out of curiosity?

[Seival]

mass perfection wrote...

XI BlackHawx IX wrote...

Saving everyone including Reapers for the life of one

Im personally a destroyer because i personally cannot justify making a galaxy changing choice like that, pretty much everyone besides TIM & Cerberus wanted the Reapers destroyed and that seemed like the goal (for Shepard) from ME1 on.

I don't see how synthesis is evil, its just morally wrong to make that choice for everyone

Synthesis literally makes EVERYTHING in the galaxy a Reaper.

Reaper is a mindless tool bound to the one collective mind. According to the epilogue, Synthesis does nothing like that. Moreover, all ex-mindless tools become self-aware, including VIs:

[jstme]

Please do not mix my DNA with that of cellphone. My grandma will not survive it.
Also, as a Salarian i find your hints about upgrading only Human state offensive. We were upgrading Krogans when you lot were climbing trees.
Speaking about trees, why upgrading Human state had to involve those too?

[Auld Wulf]

Seival wrote...

Reaper is a mindless tool bound to the one collective mind. According to the epilogue, Synthesis does nothing like that. Moreover, all ex-mindless tools become self-aware, including VIs:

Yeah, but they're incapable of seeing the beauty of that, sadly. All they understand is the 'beauty' of mass slaughter, of death, of murder, of killing. That's why Synthesis is "bad," and Destroy is "good."

There are some seriously screwed up, mentally disturbed people in this world of ours.

Remember that thread ElSuperGecko made?

Yeah.

I'm coming to the conclusion that they're just really touched.

[Seival]

...to be more specific: including ALL VIs

Modifié par Seival, 22 mai 2013 - 09:58 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 A wise football guru once told me this: "If they can't see it, you can't make them see it."

There are very different ways to judge/value things in the world. If you see evil in Sync, and more of it than good, then you'll probably have a hard time seeing it the other way.

Not that, mind you, I don't accept the challenge of trying!  I'd just like to know, first, what you take issue with?

[Astartes Marine]

Seival wrote...
including VIs:

The VIs controlling doors as well?  The many multiple copies of the Shepard VI?  Oh I cannot see that ending well. 

[Enhanced]

mass perfection wrote...

Synthesis literally makes EVERYTHING in the galaxy a Reaper.

If you really believe that, what do you think is good about it?

[jstme]

Auld Wulf wrote...
....
There are some seriously screwed up, mentally disturbed people in this world of ours.
.....

This can be an answer to the title.  

[The Night Mammoth]

I don't see Synthesis as evil, just boring, great big happy pill for the galaxy with absolutely nothing interesting going for it. 

Or beneficial. Apparently, Synthesis is inevitable anyway, so why would I force transhumanism on the masses when I can kill the Reapers now and let people choose it for themselves later? 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 22 mai 2013 - 10:09 .

[xlegionx]

Auld Wulf wrote...

What evil? What bad? That's like saying that the cellphone you have with which you can call a paramedic to save your dying grandmother's life is evil. It's ridiculous! It's an upgrade to the human state, that's all. The Internet was such an upgrade, electricity, modern medicine, even the cellphone! It's just change brought on by upgrades, each of them improving our quality of life.

Unless you're some crazy kind of nutty luddite, what evil?

Sigh.

This is what makes normally nice people hate Destroyers, because they're always spewing this bile over other peoples' choices. It's this kind of nonsense all the time that made me so vehemently anti-Destroy.

Ah, more insults.

I've found that there are 3 things that people who don't like Synthesis:

1. It is a major violation of personal freedom, as at the time of its happening, no one except for Shep had consented to Synthesis. Rape is a far better analogy in this situation than your Reaper sympathy case.

2. It leaves the Reapers as an unrestrained force that is still more powerful than any other military in the galaxy. People see that as a major risk.

3. Mainly in its pre-EC form, but still to an extent afterwards, isn't explained very well. "understanding" is an extremely vague idea. For all we know without metagaming, this understanding could just reassert the Reapers' stance on harvesting life

[Seival]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Seival wrote...
including VIs:

The VIs controlling doors as well?  The many multiple copies of the Shepard VI?  Oh I cannot see that ending well. 

If door-controlling IVs had some limited personality-mimic programming (like Avina or Shepard VI), then yes.

"Awaken" VIs is one of things that make Synthesis really attractive. We actually have a new race in Synthesized universe. Something not just synthetic... Ethereal to be correct. Ghosts.