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[FlyingSquirrel]

XI BlackHawx IX wrote...
It makes sythetics part organic and organics part sytheric (and green for someone reason)...."its the last stage of evolution" as quoted from Starbrat something has to be able to evolve to go through a stage of evoulution which Geth/AI's and all organics can do

Toasters arent gonna come alive and suddenly gonna start shooting red beams at you

"Prepare these toasters for ascension...."

[Phatose]

Er....the whole "VI's become self-aware" isn't exactly well supported. Kasumi certainly strikes me as the type to keep a VI around just to reminisce. Either way, it's a pretty big jump from Kasumi talking to a hologram to "cause the Greybox is now alive."

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Phatose wrote...

Er....the whole "VI's become self-aware" isn't exactly well supported. Kasumi certainly strikes me as the type to keep a VI around just to reminisce. Either way, it's a pretty big jump from Kasumi talking to a hologram to "cause the Greybox is now alive."

I believe Pat Weekes (who wrote Kasumi) explained the slide that way on twitter, and/or Mike Gamble said that.

I know for a cold hard fact somebody at BW tweeted *something* to that effect.

I'm actually writing a fan-fic where the same happens to Shepard!

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 22 mai 2013 - 10:34 .

[Phatose]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Er....the whole "VI's become self-aware" isn't exactly well supported. Kasumi certainly strikes me as the type to keep a VI around just to reminisce. Either way, it's a pretty big jump from Kasumi talking to a hologram to "cause the Greybox is now alive."

I believe Pat Weekes (who wrote Kasumi) explained the slide that way on twitter, and/or Mike Gamble said that.

I know for a cold hard fact somebody at BW tweeted *something* to that effect.

I'm actually writing a fan-fic where the same happens to Shepard!

Great maker.  ....Did anything good or well thought ever come from their Twitter accounts?

[FlyingSquirrel]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Er....the whole "VI's become self-aware" isn't exactly well supported. Kasumi certainly strikes me as the type to keep a VI around just to reminisce. Either way, it's a pretty big jump from Kasumi talking to a hologram to "cause the Greybox is now alive."

I believe Pat Weekes (who wrote Kasumi) explained the slide that way on twitter, and/or Mike Gamble said that.

I know for a cold hard fact somebody at BW tweeted *something* to that effect.

I'm actually writing a fan-fic where the same happens to Shepard!

Is this a new Shepard VI, or the one that we meet in the refugee camp on ME3? The latter becoming self-aware would probably be pretty funny, actually.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

@tickle267... check your PMs.

@Phatose... I think the idea behind that is ~~ the collection of the man's memories becomes the man.

@Squirrel... New one! 

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 22 mai 2013 - 10:56 .

[Aaleel]

I really never like the whole justify your decision threads, it's always comes off as a challenge and never really starts any kind of civil discussion.

But personally I don't choose Synthesis because it basically says Catalyst you're right we can't get by on our own as we are, we need to be improved. Not just the current cycle fighting, but every organic even those who haven't even discovered the wheel yet are having this choice made for them.

I love Firefly/Serenity, one of my favorite sci-fi series ever, and Synthesis reminds me so much of the alliance.

River: People don't like to be meddled with, we're in their homes, we're in their heads and we haven't the right.
Alliance Teacher: We're not trying to tell people how to think, we're trying to show them how.

Captain Mal: As sure I know anything I know this. Maybe on another world maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten, who knows, they'll swing back to the belief that they can make people better.

Man I've watched this movie too many times to remember all of this lol.

But I just couldn't support something that says we're not good enough on our own the way we are.

Just my 2 cents.

Modifié par Aaleel, 22 mai 2013 - 11:28 .

[JasonShepard]

@Aaleel - I think you meant Mal, not Hal. Hal is a genocidal computer from a classic movie, Mal is a badass from a badass movie...

Anyway... I don't choose Synthesis because of the consent issue. Night Mammoth almost summed up my position earlier in the thread, but I'm going to reword it slightly:

"Why would I force transhumanism on the masses when I can Control and stop the Reapers now and let people choose it for themselves later?"

If synthesis is inevitable, then I'd prefer it to at least be voluntary. Other than that, I have no complaint.

Modifié par JasonShepard, 22 mai 2013 - 11:23 .

[Seival]

Phatose wrote...

Er....the whole "VI's become self-aware" isn't exactly well supported. Kasumi certainly strikes me as the type to keep a VI around just to reminisce. Either way, it's a pretty big jump from Kasumi talking to a hologram to "cause the Greybox is now alive."

The difference between hologram and something else, but also ethereal is quite obvious. There was no reason to make hologram in epilogue look differently from other typical ME holograms if that was just a hologram. There was no reason not to show the same slide in Control ending if that was just a hologram, but in Control we have this:



Finally. Even husks became self-aware in Synthesis. And husks were just empty mindless platforms, i.e. something much less "intelligent" than a typical VI that at least has some simulation of real mind.

Modifié par Seival, 22 mai 2013 - 11:26 .

[Aaleel]

JasonShepard wrote...

@Aaleel - I think you meant Mal, not Hal. Hal is a genocidal computer from a classic movie, Mal is a badass from a badass movie...

Anyway... I don't choose Synthesis because of the consent issue. Night Mammoth almost summed up my position earlier in the thread, but I'm going to reword it slightly:

"Why would I force transhumanism on the masses when I can Control and stop the Reapers now and let people choose it for themselves later?"

If synthesis is inevitable, then I'd prefer it to at least be voluntary. Other than that, I have no complaint.

OMG I feel ashamed now , terrible typo.  Why I hate typing on the ipad sometimes, if it can't find the word it just throws stuff in.

Modifié par Aaleel, 22 mai 2013 - 11:30 .

[xlegionx]

Seival wrote...

-snip-

Finally. Even husks became self-aware in Synthesis. And husks were just empty mindless platforms, i.e. something much less "intelligent" than a typical VI that at least has some simulation of real mind.

This last part is what I just don't understand. Husks are dead organics whose bodies are control through nanites in the body responding to a reaper's signal (that is what I gathered from the Sanctuary Mission). How could such a thing become self-aware?

[Ticonderoga117]

You can't "ends justify the means" when the ends aren't something to be admired.

[JasonShepard]

Aaleel wrote...

OMG I feel ashamed now , terrible typo.

It's fine - just imagine Nathan Fillion making a joke out of it. Because you know he would.  
(I only discovered Firefly about a year ago - I cannot believe how much I'd been missing out on...)

[Ticonderoga117]

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

-snip-

Finally. Even husks became self-aware in Synthesis. And husks were just empty mindless platforms, i.e. something much less "intelligent" than a typical VI that at least has some simulation of real mind.

This last part is what I just don't understand. Husks are dead organics whose bodies are control through nanites in the body responding to a reaper's signal (that is what I gathered from the Sanctuary Mission). How could such a thing become self-aware?

Space Magic! Nothing is impossible with the evil green beam of bull****.

Want to change the killing machines from outer space to peace loving citizens? Green beam!
Want to make VI's, a relatively simple program into a person? Green beam!
Want to upload "what it means to be organic (Whatever that means) into every machine including your toaster? Green beam!
Want to make trees glow in the dark? Hats? Green beam!

There is literally nothing the "Green Beam of Magic" can't do!

[xlegionx]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

-snip-

Finally. Even husks became self-aware in Synthesis. And husks were just empty mindless platforms, i.e. something much less "intelligent" than a typical VI that at least has some simulation of real mind.

This last part is what I just don't understand. Husks are dead organics whose bodies are control through nanites in the body responding to a reaper's signal (that is what I gathered from the Sanctuary Mission). How could such a thing become self-aware?

Space Magic! Nothing is impossible with the evil green beam of bull****.

Want to change the killing machines from outer space to peace loving citizens? Green beam!
Want to make VI's, a relatively simple program into a person? Green beam!
Want to upload "what it means to be organic (Whatever that means) into every machine including your toaster? Green beam!
Want to make trees glow in the dark? Hats? Green beam!

There is literally nothing the "Green Beam of Magic" can't do!

Is there a Buy One Get One Free offer?

[Ticonderoga117]

xlegionx wrote...

Is there a Buy One Get One Free offer?

No, but there is a "Buy one, Everyone gets one" offer that comes with every purchase.

[Apple Lantern]

The evil in Synthesis? I don't see any.

I guess it might not be morally permissible, since everyone is being changed without a choice, but definitely not evil. It's not like it brainwashes everyone into becoming Reaper slaves.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The idea of synthesis itself is not inherently evil.

The way it is presented, explained, and executed, and by whom it is presented by make synthesis in it's current context of Mass Effect 3 abhorrent and terrifying.

[Seival]

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

-snip-

Finally. Even husks became self-aware in Synthesis. And husks were just empty mindless platforms, i.e. something much less "intelligent" than a typical VI that at least has some simulation of real mind.

This last part is what I just don't understand. Husks are dead organics whose bodies are control through nanites in the body responding to a reaper's signal (that is what I gathered from the Sanctuary Mission). How could such a thing become self-aware?

Does it matter how exactly? It's a sci-fi story.

What matters is that in case of Synthesis husks ended up as intelligent beings, which means that taken lives they represent were not wasted or suspended. Plus we've got a new race of ethereal creatures - the ex-VIs. Isn't that beautiful? Isn't that an interesting part of possible new story's atmosphere?

New game based on Synthesized universe would provide atmosphere and experience no other universe can possibly provide. It would be something completely unique. Isn't that what the most players want? Something they never seen before. Something truly amazing and unique instead of one more standard story.



Dragon Age games have unique "fade-demons-spirits-tranquil" feature. Magic and mages in this game look non-standard compared to most other games. MEU has no such unique features. But it will have a lot of them, if next game will be a sequel based on Synthesized universe. Think about that, please.

Modifié par Seival, 22 mai 2013 - 11:57 .

[xlegionx]

Seival wrote...

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

-snip-

Finally. Even husks became self-aware in Synthesis. And husks were just empty mindless platforms, i.e. something much less "intelligent" than a typical VI that at least has some simulation of real mind.

This last part is what I just don't understand. Husks are dead organics whose bodies are control through nanites in the body responding to a reaper's signal (that is what I gathered from the Sanctuary Mission). How could such a thing become self-aware?

Does it matter how exactly? It's a sci-fi story.

What matters is that in case of Synthesis husks ended up as intelligent beings, which means that taken lives they represent were not wasted or suspended. Plus we've got a new race of ethereal creatures - the ex-VIs. Isn't that beautiful? Isn't that an interesting part of possible new story's atmosphere?

New game based on Synthesized universe would provide atmosphere and experience no other universe can possibly provide. It would be something completely unique. Isn't that what the most players want? Something they never seen before. Something truly amazing and unique instead of one more standard story.



Dragon Age games have unique "fade-demons-spirits-tranquil" feature. Magic and mages in this game look non-standard compared to most other games. MEU has no such unique features. But it will have a lot of them, if next game will be a sequel based on Synthesized universe. Think about that, please.

It does matter if there's no explanation. yes it's a sci-fi story, but loophole explanations can still be made to make things plausible (element zero being the most notable for the MEU)

And considering how different the endings are, Bioware wouldn't risk canonizing an ending that a majority of the central fanbase seems to dislike. They will likely avoid making any type of direct sequel to ME3, at least for a while 

[Phatose]

Well, I certainly hope they don't retain too much of their previous purposes. I'd have been real, real reluctant to pick Synthesis if I knew that was going to happen. Somebody might have a copy of System Shock 2 around and now I've just brought Shodan to life, and on top of that all those porn-administering VIs are now fully aware and know how often you masturbate.

[Astartes Marine]

Sentient husks doesn't sound beautiful to me, rather it sounds like something out of the minds of John Carpenter or Clive Barker. Nightmarish.

[Clayless]

Seival wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Seival wrote...

Good and bad are just words. Each person understands them in his/her/its own way.

Do YOU see any evil in Synthesis?

My own vision of evil tells me that there is nothing evil in Synthesis. But since there are no universal ethical rules, some people will agree, and some will disagree with that. There will be some stubborn and repulsive people among the ones who disagree. They will consider my opinion as an insult, and will try to insult me in reply (as always).

I agree here, couldn't have said it better myself.