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[Gaddmeister]

DarthReavus wrote...

The base layer of a combat hardsuit is the kinetic padding. In ME1 all armours had the extra ceramic plates on top of that, but is it entirely unreasonable to assume that Miranda's outfit consists of kinetic padding just without the ceramic plates?

I don't think SuZe's "outfit" can even possibly be made from kinetic padding, but Miranda's could well be. Maybe Thane's too, except for the rather exposed chest that is.

Yes, but the thing is that Samara, Thane and Miranda are all lacking chest protection.

But ok, Samara and Thane are used to fight on their own I 'm sure. So they wear what they usually do and perhaps don't want to change that. However, why on Earth would Miranda fight in an incomplete set of armour and high heels? She's a military operative, not some comic book super hero... or am I wrong?

Modifié par Gaddmeister, 17 janvier 2010 - 10:35 .

[Never]

I just hope MY Shep gets to wear heels. They might as well let us all look hot if they're going the silly route

[marshalleck]

Gaddmeister wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

The base layer of a combat hardsuit is the kinetic padding. In ME1 all armours had the extra ceramic plates on top of that, but is it entirely unreasonable to assume that Miranda's outfit consists of kinetic padding just without the ceramic plates?

I don't think SuZe's "outfit" can even possibly be made from kinetic padding, but Miranda's could well be. Maybe Thane's too, except for the rather exposed chest that is.

Yes, but the thing is that Samara, Thane and Miranda are all lacking chest protection.

But ok, Samara and Thane are used to fight on their own I 'm sure. So they wear what they usually do and perhaps don't want to change that. However, why on Earth would Miranda fight in an incomplete set of armour and high heels? She's a military operative, not some comic book super hero... or am I wrong?

She's a scientist, not military. Cerberus employs all kinds of operatives.

Not that this explains a lack of armor, if that turns out to be the case.

Modifié par marshalleck, 17 janvier 2010 - 10:37 .

[Gaddmeister]

Yeah, and I want my Shepard to wear a top hat instead of a helmet.

[Gaddmeister]

marshalleck wrote...

She's a scientist, not military. Cerberus employs all kinds of operatives.

Not that this explains a lack of armor, if that turns out to be the case.

Ok, I didn't know that. But like you say, it doesn't explain lack of proper armour. If Cerberus sends one of their own out on a combat mission, I'm sure they would equip them accordingly. Well, I'll just have to wait for an in-game explanation to all this.

[SorrowAndJoy7]

I'm not that concerned about it honestly... I mean, I always have loved equipping characters in rpgs, but to some extent mass effect is an exception, because the armor system in 1 was really quite bland imo. As for the lore, there are a lot of things I care about in that regard, but what my squadmates choose to wear in combat really won't change anything for me. It's not gonna make me go DAMN this story is so good but those squadmates armor ruined it, or wow this game is bad, but if only i had squadmate armor. >.>

That said, With the 2 biggest culprits imo, I sorta get it... Thane is an assassin and his style suits the type of person who doesn't plan to be seen before he makes a kill. Suze has a crazy self destructive vibe going, her armor suits it. I would be suprised if they didn't have alternatives when in hazardous environments like planet surfaces and such.

Modifié par SorrowAndJoy7, 17 janvier 2010 - 11:56 .

[Dellingr]

yeah, so long as they've got appropriate levels of protection in less survivable environments I'm all good with it



though Miranda's outfit looks kinda bizarre, Jacob's gear looks like it's at least of practical use in combat (and In fact I hope something similar's available as casual gear or even combat gear) but heels? and a jumpsuit, I know you're a scientist, Miranda, but really?

[Martukis]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

invert180 wrote...

I think how armour is handled now fits very well with the atmosphere that ME2 has developed. You've gone out to recruit a bunch of badass folks in the galaxy, all of whom have been busy doing their own thing for the past who knows how long.
They're not military. They have their own personalities and their own way of dressing. Just because you've hired them for your mission, doesn't mean you can begin dictating to them what they should and should not wear. They don't seem like the kind of folks that give a damn about wanting to wear shoes that match yours.

Bunch of badasses, more like a bunch of imbeciles looks like to me. Liara and Tali weren't military in ME1, yet they wore armor like everyone else. Not doing so would have made their lives very short indeed.

It may be, that we will not be going on any hostile worlds/environments in this game, expecting Shepard in the very beginning of the game.

Still, there was a lore based reason why shields were not sufficient in combat. Shields and barriers don't protect agains gas, biological weapons, physical melee attacks, extremes of environment, etc. And shields and barriers could be overloaded.

Bioware has compromised their own creation's integrity for the sake of showing off tattoos, breasts, and a fishman chest. ME2 looks far more cartoonish and campy than ME1.

 Quite prescient of you to realize all of this before the game is released.

[Mox Ruuga]

mynameisdanza wrote...

I just hope MY Shep gets to wear heels. They might as well let us all look hot if they're going the silly route

True.

ME2 looks inarguably far more campy and cheesy than the first game.

So why keep Shepard wearing that fuddy duddy armor, if our squaddies can survive just fine without?

I want to dress my Shep as a mime.

[Hardin4188]

Wow this is really disappointing. This game really isn't marketed toward the Dragon Age fans is it?

[izmirtheastarach]

Hardin4188 wrote...

Wow this is really disappointing. This game really isn't marketed toward the Dragon Age fans is it?

Dragon age has fully custimozable armour for every party member. What the complainers are complaining about here is the ME2 does not.

[bohica01]

I personally don't mind (that much) the inability to assign armor to squad mates, because even though it is downing some RPG aspects, in real life would anyone actually let you tell them what to wear?

[rhagen1]

If Shep was a buddy of mine, I wouldn't let him tell me what to where. If he was my team leader/commander in a life and death combat situation, I would let him outfit me with whatever he thought best. The problem isn't the reality of the ingame situation, the problem is why did they essentially take a feature out of the game?

[bohica01]

rhagen1 wrote...

If Shep was a buddy of mine, I wouldn't let him tell me what to where. If he was my team leader/commander in a life and death combat situation, I would let him outfit me with whatever he thought best. The problem isn't the reality of the ingame situation, the problem is why did they essentially take a feature out of the game?

I would assume that they removed it to streamline the equip screen, though I don't think they should have. Still, not that big of an issue to me really. 

Also, even though he is the commander, these people are not slouches either, they are highly trained, well equipped, experienced warriors. I think they would wear what they wanted. 

[izmirtheastarach]

We seem to be trying to have two arguments at the same time here. One is how it fits into the game world, and the other is about why Bioware would choose to do this from a gameplay standpoint. One has to trump the other, eventually.

[Balek-Vriege]

I think part of the reason for not having customizable squad members is partly for artistic reasons as well. It looks a lot more realistic with designed static suits, clothing and armour than having all colours of the rainbow on display because of mismatch armor etc. It also allows squad members to look more unique and individual adding more depth artisitically to the game. I found it pretty bland running around in Colossus X light armour on Liara, Kaiden and my Shep (especially because the red is also a bit pink).



As for the realism when it comes to armour usage in the Mass Effect universe. Most likely not everyone is trained to use heavy combat armour and it also isn't the best attire if you're an agent or undercover. Non combat oriented people and biotics probably depend on shields and barriers respectfully when in dangerous situations.



However, I hope on highly hazardous planets our squad members do have protective suits. We already know that squad members w/o armour get breathers on planets with no air from a screenshot.



Static Clothing > Mismatched Armour

Customizable Clothing/Armour > Static/Mistmatched Clothing/Armour

[Mox Ruuga]

Well, to me the problem is also an in-universe one. It doesn't make sense, given the explanation about the need to wear a hardsuit in the first game, that these supposedly best-of-the-best operatives would fail to grasp such a basic survival tenet. The hardsuit doesn't only protect against enemy fire, physical melee attacks, or hostile environments. It also has communication and targeting gear.

[tommythetomcat]

If i could play mass effect 2 with a naked Shepard it would be done. Sadly though he requires armor to not get shot

[Mox Ruuga]

tommythetomcat wrote...

If i could play mass effect 2 with a naked Shepard it would be done. Sadly though he requires armor to not get shot

SuZe, Thane, and Miranda don't.

I want to dress up as a mime. MimeShep. FemShep can wear a girl scout uniform.

Hey, as long as you have biotic barrier powers (or a kinetic barrier emitter jammed up your ass), it's all good?

[tommythetomcat]

They don't? Why because videos released didn't show you anything but their default armor?

[izmirtheastarach]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Well, to me the problem is also an in-universe one. It doesn't make sense, given the explanation about the need to wear a hardsuit in the first game, that these supposedly best-of-the-best operatives would fail to grasp such a basic survival tenet. The hardsuit doesn't only protect against enemy fire, physical melee attacks, or hostile environments. It also has communication and targeting gear.

We will have to see how they implement this all in game. Having only seen marketing videos, which donèt really show true gameplay, I am still not sure how things will work.

The only thing that would concern me is the hazerdous enviroment issue. It totally agree that it would be silly for Miranda to wear her only her uniform on a super hot planet. But I do not expect this to happen. I am sure they will deal with it somehow.

[Mox Ruuga]

tommythetomcat wrote...

They don't? Why because videos released didn't show you anything but their default armor?

According to Casey, we unlock more OUTFITs for our squaddies, and the difference will be an "aesthetic" one.

SuZe's leather jacket/vest would be one example.

[wxman]

Most of you squad is just so badass they don't need armor. They are just naturally impervious to extreme cold/heat, don't need oxygen to breathe and catch bullets in their teeth.



Sheps a wuss and cant do these things so has to wear armor.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

As some reviews said this game has been DUMBED DOWN.! I also heard some talk of only 1 extra outfit to unlock for each character doing their person quest.

It's not dumbed down. The armour system in ME1 was never good to begin with. It was just CompanyXgear III, IV, V, etc. and you could put in one or 2 little mods with passive bonuses. I don't call that a real armour system.

In ME2, on the other hand, you DO get a better armour system for Shepard. They just decided not to bother with it for squadmates any more.

I see it as an improvement. I didn't like having to put stupid pink armour on Wrex just because Phoenix IX happened to be better than Titan VII. It's a clunky, useless system. Most of the armour for the alien squadmembers looked the same anyway, just with different colour schemes.

I'm going to have to agree.

[izmirtheastarach]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

tommythetomcat wrote...

They don't? Why because videos released didn't show you anything but their default armor?

According to Casey, we unlock more OUTFITs for our squaddies, and the difference will be an "aesthetic" one.

SuZe's leather jacket/vest would be one example.

And only one example. Why do you assume OUTFITS cannot mean armor? Samara has been shown wearing a full suit of armor. Is that not another example?

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 17 janvier 2010 - 07:28 .