Templars will go crazy due to Lyrium withdrawal; it turns out giving drug addicts armor and swords isn't a good idea when they don't listen to you anymore.
Hopefully mages will stop being such idiots as well or learn to use actual weapons.
The Logistics of the Mage-Templar War
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#327
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 03:26
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Dark Korsar wrote...
~10.000-14.000(i am not think that they have more than 20.000) of ex-circle mages(without apostages of any kind)
You do realize that you just agreed with me, no? My estimate for circle mages was about 10-13K which given the necessary crudity of our information and thus estimates is really the same as your estimate.
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#328
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 03:30
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KiwiQuiche wrote...
Templars will go crazy due to Lyrium withdrawal; it turns out giving drug addicts armor and swords isn't a good idea when they don't listen to you anymore.
Hopefully mages will stop being such idiots as well or learn to use actual weapons.
If you read the DAO codex (from the Circle Tower mission), the reason that mages didn't get weapons training is because the Templars and Chantry forbade it (and forced at least one First Enchanter that tried to step down).
OOC: There is also the game-play segregation of course. Honestly I liked how this was done in DAO far more than DA2. In DAO, there was nothing that stopped a mage from weidling a sword.....other than the fact that the mage would find it very difficult to have the necessary strength (or dex for daggers) to use one. I would strongly ask the DA:I Devs to take heed and return to such a system rather than saying, "No you can't use weapon X just because"
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#329
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 03:39
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In DA2 they at least explained why most mages preferred to use staffs. Something about the staffs being better conduits of the mage's magic.
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Posté 30 mai 2013 - 03:48
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EmperorSahlertz wrote...
In DA2 they at least explained why most mages preferred to use staffs. Something about the staffs being better conduits of the mage's magic.
Yes, but that's not the same thing as saying why a mage couldn't use any other weapon at all in DA2...which we know is wrong from the lore because Malcome could and did use swords and other weapons as part of his cover as a mercenary.
That's why I (as a slight tangent) suggest the Devs return to the DAO system of doing this (or soemthing like it). Don't forbid weapons to any class (well except maybe stuff that is explicitly magical like magic staves). Instead make it difficult for the 'wrong' class to use them.
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Posté 30 mai 2013 - 03:49
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that and casting a spell as an arcane warrior was more time consuming with a sword or and weapon besides a staffEmperorSahlertz wrote...
In DA2 they at least explained why most mages preferred to use staffs. Something about the staffs being better conduits of the mage's magic.
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Posté 30 mai 2013 - 03:57
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garrusfan1 wrote...
that and casting a spell as an arcane warrior was more time consuming with a sword or and weapon besides a staffEmperorSahlertz wrote...
In DA2 they at least explained why most mages preferred to use staffs. Something about the staffs being better conduits of the mage's magic.
I think the sheathing was more tied to animations rather than lore/balance. I noticed that the spells that shared the same animation as the Templar Holy smite, didn't need sheathed while the animations unique to mages did.
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Posté 30 mai 2013 - 04:04
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garrusfan1 wrote...
that and casting a spell as an arcane warrior was more time consuming with a sword or and weapon besides a staffEmperorSahlertz wrote...
In DA2 they at least explained why most mages preferred to use staffs. Something about the staffs being better conduits of the mage's magic.
As others have stated, that wasn't an intentional balance thing, but an animation glitch (and one that has been modded at least for the PC).
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#334
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 05:21
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Rogues and Warriors had the same restrictions. It is called gameplay and lore segregation.IanPolaris wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
In DA2 they at least explained why most mages preferred to use staffs. Something about the staffs being better conduits of the mage's magic.
Yes, but that's not the same thing as saying why a mage couldn't use any other weapon at all in DA2...which we know is wrong from the lore because Malcome could and did use swords and other weapons as part of his cover as a mercenary.
That's why I (as a slight tangent) suggest the Devs return to the DAO system of doing this (or soemthing like it). Don't forbid weapons to any class (well except maybe stuff that is explicitly magical like magic staves). Instead make it difficult for the 'wrong' class to use them.
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#335
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 05:23
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Flemeth wears a quite heavy armor in DA2. That piqued my interest.
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Posté 30 mai 2013 - 05:59
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EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Rogues and Warriors had the same restrictions. It is called gameplay and lore segregation.IanPolaris wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
In DA2 they at least explained why most mages preferred to use staffs. Something about the staffs being better conduits of the mage's magic.
Yes, but that's not the same thing as saying why a mage couldn't use any other weapon at all in DA2...which we know is wrong from the lore because Malcome could and did use swords and other weapons as part of his cover as a mercenary.
That's why I (as a slight tangent) suggest the Devs return to the DAO system of doing this (or soemthing like it). Don't forbid weapons to any class (well except maybe stuff that is explicitly magical like magic staves). Instead make it difficult for the 'wrong' class to use them.
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I know but that doesn't mean it's a good idea or mechanic and it doesn't mean it's necessary (for any class not just mages). A warrior should be able to shoot a bow (for example).
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#337
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 06:00
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Templar fanboy? Assumption much. The only interesting thing here is that the point about the Templars being dumbed down like Cerberus must have completely went over your head? Cerberus' devolution in ME3 was lame as all it did was provide Shep with a mook army to deal with while turning the IM into Saren 2.0. All i see is tards clamoring for the dumbing down of factions they don't like so that they can stroke their egos and post ''i told you so'' in the future. I hope that the writers keep the Black and White depictions to a minimum as DA2 went too far with the crazy.DKJaigen wrote...
its interresting how the templar fanboys never contemplate that their precious templars may be manipulated by outside factions.
Plus no crap about the whole confict being manipulated as it's been hinted at in the survey.
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