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[dreamgazer]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

iakus wrote...

All the endings prove the Reapers right.  Organics and synthetics cannot coexist on their own.  So you have to either 1) Eliminate one side  2) Set up a referee to make sure everyone plays nice (by force if necessary) or 3) Force everyone to hybridize, to become a third side.

So in that sense, I agree:  Destroy is no better than Synthesis, save that you're "only" screwing over the synthetics.  All the endings suck.  None of them allow the galaxy to find their own path, to achieve understanding and peace on their own terms.

This. So much this!

Essentially. Not in the current state that the Catalyst has been observing, at least. After the indiscriminate overload beam, who knows.

[KaiserShep]

Enhanced wrote...
That only explains what it does, not how it works. That's why the technology is never reverse engineered and replicated throughout the games, only after the ME3 endings. Nice try though.

I take it you never played the first Mass Effect, because the conduit on Ilos is a mass relay that the Protheans built as a backdoor to the Citadel. 

[Enhanced]

KaiserShep wrote...

Enhanced wrote...
That only explains what it does, not how it works. That's why the technology is never reverse engineered and replicated throughout the games, only after the ME3 endings. Nice try though.

I take it you never played the first Mass Effect, because the conduit on Ilos is a mass relay that the Protheans built as a backdoor to the Citadel. 

Conduit isn't actually a Mass Relay. And still, Mass Relay technology  is never reverse engineered and replicated throughout the games. That happened before ME1 and happens after ME3, not during the game. So, if we can accept the Mass Relays, we can accept the Crucible and all of it's functions. Both are "technology far beyond that of other living species"

Modifié par Enhanced, 24 mai 2013 - 04:23 .

[KaiserShep]

The Mass Effect wiki specifically states that it's a miniature prototype that the Protheans built during their experiments with mass relay technology, so unless you have information directly from the game/codexes that state otherwise, I'm going to stick with that. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 24 mai 2013 - 04:25 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

dreamgazer wrote...

Folks really need to stop using Clarke's laws as a technology hand-wave.

Using that logic so literally, it would be tolerable for Shepard to use a ray gun that turned all Reapers into asparagus because of "sufficiently advanced technology".

I would pay for this DLC and then taunt people for failing to realize the symbolic depth of asparagus and it's role in the trilogy.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Folks really need to stop using Clarke's laws as a technology hand-wave.

Using that logic so literally, it would be tolerable for Shepard to use a ray gun that turned all Reapers into asparagus because of "sufficiently advanced technology".

I would pay for this DLC and then taunt people for failing to realize the symbolic depth of asparagus and it's role in the trilogy.

It would be a little too artistic for those sociopathic, mass murdering, genocidal, Luddites to handle that's for sure.

[KaiserShep]

How dare you reduce the useful reapers to delicious space asparagus?

[DeathScepter]

KaiserShep wrote...

How dare you reduce the useful reapers to delicious space asparagus?

yes i would do that.

[KaiserShep]

Well, can we at least get some butter for this? I won't settle for anything less than spread made from free range organic varren.

[GreyLycanTrope]

KaiserShep wrote...

How dare you reduce the useful reapers to delicious space asparagus?

I wouldn't expect all you lachanophobes to understand.

[DeathScepter]

KaiserShep wrote...

Well, can we at least get some butter for this? I won't settle for anything less than spread made from free range organic varren.

here at cerberus labs, we are actually doing that. Don't worry it will not kill you. 

[Iakus]

Auld Wulf wrote...

iakus wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

People call that impossible, but they are okay with biotics, but *only* because it's explained. It's okay to ignore the fact that biotics are literally impossible in today's world to do, but there is NO WAAAY synthesis could possibly happen.

Biotics are an accepted reality within the Mass Effect universe because it is known to us, and have been for thousands of years for some races.  Synthesis is pure space magic, because it is unknown to us.

The emboldened text was added by me, to address exactly what is wrong with your line of thinking.

Just because it's accepted within and known to one culture, doesn't mean it is to all. Something can be new to one culture, yet ancient to another. You have a very, very, very narrow view of what is and isn't acceptable, do you see? And I find that this is a problem with many who dislike Synthesis.

My point is is that if biotics were introduced all of a sudden, you'd be saying the same thing about that. Then biotics would be space magic because all of a sudden it's this big, new thing which isn't accepted to your culture. The way in which you perceive reality is limited, because it means that anything which isn't already established is impossible. By your illogical thinking, science itself is impossible.

To wit, Synthesis isn't space magic, it's just advancement. A smarter man has said as much. If I might introduce you to him.

This is how we know that you aren't a scientist of any degree.

You're invoking Clarke's Third Law for Synthesis?  Really?

:lol::lol::lol:

Oh, my, , talk about using the nuclear option.

Sufficiently Advanced Technology has its place in stories Heck, the Reapers were pretty much already there.  But part of the point of introducing it into a story is to explore its effects and ramifications.  Given that until five minutes before the story ends, we don't even know such a concept even exist, I don't think Clake's Laws are entirely appropriate for the situation.

The "Law" I think you're looking for is A Wizard Did It. 

[Enhanced]

KaiserShep wrote...

The Mass Effect wiki specifically states that it's a miniature prototype that the Protheans built during their experiments with mass relay technology, so unless you have information directly from the game/codexes that state otherwise, I'm going to stick with that. 

 
I didn't deny that. I'm just saying that we never get a real explanation of Mass Relay tech from the game.

Modifié par Enhanced, 24 mai 2013 - 05:19 .

[Eryri]

iakus wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

iakus wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

People call that impossible, but they are okay with biotics, but *only* because it's explained. It's okay to ignore the fact that biotics are literally impossible in today's world to do, but there is NO WAAAY synthesis could possibly happen.

Biotics are an accepted reality within the Mass Effect universe because it is known to us, and have been for thousands of years for some races.  Synthesis is pure space magic, because it is unknown to us.

The emboldened text was added by me, to address exactly what is wrong with your line of thinking.

Just because it's accepted within and known to one culture, doesn't mean it is to all. Something can be new to one culture, yet ancient to another. You have a very, very, very narrow view of what is and isn't acceptable, do you see? And I find that this is a problem with many who dislike Synthesis.

My point is is that if biotics were introduced all of a sudden, you'd be saying the same thing about that. Then biotics would be space magic because all of a sudden it's this big, new thing which isn't accepted to your culture. The way in which you perceive reality is limited, because it means that anything which isn't already established is impossible. By your illogical thinking, science itself is impossible.

To wit, Synthesis isn't space magic, it's just advancement. A smarter man has said as much. If I might introduce you to him.

This is how we know that you aren't a scientist of any degree.

You're invoking Clarke's Third Law for Synthesis?  Really?

:lol::lol::lol:

Oh, my, , talk about using the nuclear option.

Sufficiently Advanced Technology has its place in stories Heck, the Reapers were pretty much already there.  But part of the point of introducing it into a story is to explore its effects and ramifications.  Given that until five minutes before the story ends, we don't even know such a concept even exist, I don't think Clake's Laws are entirely appropriate for the situation.

The "Law" I think you're looking for is A Wizard Did It. 

I'd like to think that the esteemed Arthur C. Clarke would roll in his grave at the thought that his work could ever be used to justify anything as cretinous as synthesis.

Modifié par Eryri, 24 mai 2013 - 07:42 .

[spirosz]

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Folks really need to stop using Clarke's laws as a technology hand-wave.

Using that logic so literally, it would be tolerable for Shepard to use a ray gun that turned all Reapers into asparagus because of "sufficiently advanced technology".

I would pay for this DLC and then taunt people for failing to realize the symbolic depth of asparagus and it's role in the trilogy.

[Yestare7]

Eryri wrote...


I'd like to think that the esteemed Arthur C. Clarke would roll in his grave at the thought that his work could ever be used to justify anything as cretinous as synthesis.

Cretinous...  good word!

[Inquisitor Recon]

JimmyRustles wrote...
No one understands synthesis.

I understand it well enough to know I don't want it!

[Seival]

JimmyRustles wrote...

No one understands synthesis.

Not true.

After Synthesis:
(1) Organics became fully integrated with synthetic technologies, which means they need no synthetic implants anymore. In addition, that doesn't mean organics became half-synthetics or just synthetics. Instead that means organic "hardware" became advanced enough to have some of powerful properties of synthetic hardware. Organics remained organics, but become evolved. We see no synthetic materials crawling inside organic beings in Synthesis ending.
(2) Synthetics gained full understanding of organics' way of thinking and emotions, i.e. stop being completely alien to organics.
(3) Reaper ships, husks, and VIs became self-aware.

What exactly happened was explained in the epilogue in perfect detail. How exactly it happened doesn't really matter. The Catalyst invented a way to make such thing possible - this is all we really need to know.

Need more details about Synthesis? Then let's hope we will see them in new ME game.

Modifié par Seival, 24 mai 2013 - 09:43 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

JimmyRustles wrote...
No one understands synthesis.

I understand it well enough to know I don't want it!

The Inquisitor understands!

[Iakus]

Seival wrote...

After Synthesis:
(1) Organics became fully integrated with synthetic technologies, which means they need no synthetic implants anymore. In addition, that doesn't mean organics became half-synthetics or just synthetics. Instead that means organic "hardware" became advanced enough to have some of powerful properties of synthetic hardware

Where in the world did you get this? the only "powerful properties" we see is the ability to glow green.

 Organics remained organics, but become evolved. We see no synthetic materials crawling inside organic beings in Synthesis ending.

Perhaps you missed the nanomachines attatching themselves to human DNA in teh epilogue?

(2) Synthetics gained full understanding of organics' way of thinking and emotions, i.e. stop being completely alien to organics.

How?

(3) Reaper ships, husks, and VIs became self-aware.

Again, How?

What exactly happened was explained in the epilogue in perfect detail. How exactly it happened doesn't really matter. The Catalyst invented a way to make such thing possible - this is all we really need to know.

It absolutely matters.  This is the galaxy's fate we're talking about.  "you don't need to know" does not cut it at this point. 

And 'A Wizard Did It" is not a good enough answer.

Need more details about Synthesis? Then let's hope we will see them in new ME game.

I've got a better idea:  Let's hope Bioware learned a lesson about introducing such a half-baked concept in the closing minutes of a game.

[DeinonSlayer]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

JimmyRustles wrote...
No one understands synthesis.

I understand it well enough to know I don't want it!

Luddite.

[xlegionx]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

JimmyRustles wrote...
No one understands synthesis.

I understand it well enough to know I don't want it!

Luddite.

Hey! you forgot adjectives like monstrous, vile, and nutty!