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[JohnnyQPublic]

palmof40sorrows wrote...

It's been a very long time since Reckoning came out and this is JUST now being noticed? I'm a bit skeptical, even with the impressive reams of data.

Feh. Numbers.

Seriously though? Is this for really reals?

I'd hate to burn a respec card if this is just some elaborate troll.

Ha!  These are EXACTLY the thoughts that went through my head when I read the OP.  HIlarious!

[palmof40sorrows]

Deerber wrote...

palmof40sorrows wrote...

I'd hate to burn a respec card if this is just some elaborate troll.

Corlist trolling?

... How long have you been here for, man? 

I never underestimate the urge of mustard race to troll ecksbawks. 

Especially when drinking. 

[Koenig888]

N7didacus wrote...

I'm confused. What I understand while reading:
-Snap Freeze isn't glitched anymore.
-So... as primer and detonator Snap Freeze's Tech Combo works on her?
-huh? So AIU's Snap Freeze is still glitched or what?
-So... only as primer Snap Freeze's Tech Combo works on him?
-I wish it would...

Please, could someone make it clear for me?

Let me simplify it for you - take evolution 6b for Snap Freeze

[Deerber]

palmof40sorrows wrote...

Deerber wrote...

palmof40sorrows wrote...

I'd hate to burn a respec card if this is just some elaborate troll.

Corlist trolling?

... How long have you been here for, man? 

I never underestimate the urge of mustard race to troll ecksbawks. 

Especially when drinking. 

Lol! 

Now that I think of it, we should do something like that... Post some very wrong results of tests, let all the console players believe them, and then message all the PC ones that they're just lies for the console peasants. Would be fun! :lol:

[ClydeInTheShell]

Deerber wrote...

Lol! 

Now that I think of it, we should do something like that... Post some very wrong results of tests, let all the console players believe them, and then message all the PC ones that they're just lies for the console peasants. Would be fun! :lol:

.......no you shouldn't.

Edit: lol. wud b funny.

Modifié par ClydeInTheShell, 24 mai 2013 - 01:16 .

[Knockingbr4in]

Well, this doesn't seem to be true at all.

edit: I tried Energy Drain 6 + Snap Freeze 6 on Geth/Gold w/ and w/o SF 6b, there was basically no difference in the CE's damage. I can't get numbers as I'm on PS3, but i'm not blind enough to not see a difference in damage with health/shields bars.

Modifié par Knockingbr4in, 24 mai 2013 - 01:43 .

[HeroicMass]

 hooray for snapcheat:P

[Shadow of Terror]

N7didacus wrote...

corlist wrote...

- Without choosing tech combo, neither the AIU nor the Paladin's snap freeze will increase tech combo damage.
- AIU's snap freeze tech combo works with all tech combos.
- Paladin's snap freeze seems to be fixed and no longer works without picking it.
- Tech combo on Paladin's snap freeze only works with Cryo Explosions.
- Shadow's electric slash detonate still does not work.

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*edit* Thanks to tyhw and monkey_crunch for the help.

I'm confused. What I understand while reading:
-Snap Freeze isn't glitched anymore. Correct
-So... as primer and detonator Snap Freeze's Tech Combo works on her? Only if you take rank 6B
-huh? So AIU's Snap Freeze is still glitched or what? No
-So... only as primer Snap Freeze's Tech Combo works on him? No, any cyro explosion works, you can prime with cyro ammo, then detonate wiith snap freeze. All other (TB/FE) do not recieve the buff
-I wish it would...

Please, could someone make it clear for me?

Answers in bold. Always take rank 6B essentially.

[Shadow of Terror]

Knockingbr4in wrote...

Well, this doesn't seem to be true at all.

edit: I tried Energy Drain 6 + Snap Freeze 6 on Geth/Gold w/ and w/o SF 6b, there was basically no difference in the CE's damage. I can't get numbers as I'm on PS3, but i'm not blind enough to not see a difference in damage with health/shields bars.

There is always a possibility it works differently on PC compared to console. Would need someone willing to test on xbox and PS3 though.

[Knockingbr4in]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

Knockingbr4in wrote...

Well, this doesn't seem to be true at all.

edit: I tried Energy Drain 6 + Snap Freeze 6 on Geth/Gold w/ and w/o SF 6b, there was basically no difference in the CE's damage. I can't get numbers as I'm on PS3, but i'm not blind enough to not see a difference in damage with health/shields bars.

There is always a possibility it works differently on PC compared to console. Would need someone willing to test on xbox and PS3 though.

That would be quite odd as I've never seen anything working differently from one platform to another, as far as game mechanics are concerned.

[Shadow of Terror]

Knockingbr4in wrote...

Shadow of Terror wrote...

Knockingbr4in wrote...

Well, this doesn't seem to be true at all.

edit: I tried Energy Drain 6 + Snap Freeze 6 on Geth/Gold w/ and w/o SF 6b, there was basically no difference in the CE's damage. I can't get numbers as I'm on PS3, but i'm not blind enough to not see a difference in damage with health/shields bars.

There is always a possibility it works differently on PC compared to console. Would need someone willing to test on xbox and PS3 though.

That would be quite odd as I've never seen anything working differently from one platform to another, as far as game mechanics are concerned.

Shockwave radius evo bug comes to mind. Different workings, but a bug still.

[Deerber]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

Knockingbr4in wrote...

Shadow of Terror wrote...

Knockingbr4in wrote...

Well, this doesn't seem to be true at all.

edit: I tried Energy Drain 6 + Snap Freeze 6 on Geth/Gold w/ and w/o SF 6b, there was basically no difference in the CE's damage. I can't get numbers as I'm on PS3, but i'm not blind enough to not see a difference in damage with health/shields bars.

There is always a possibility it works differently on PC compared to console. Would need someone willing to test on xbox and PS3 though.

That would be quite odd as I've never seen anything working differently from one platform to another, as far as game mechanics are concerned.

Shockwave radius evo bug comes to mind. Different workings, but a bug still.

Yeah it's very rare, but some things work differently, and shockwave is a proof of that.

ClydeInTheShell wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Lol! 

Now that I think of it, we should do something like that... Post some very wrong results of tests, let all the console players believe them, and then message all the PC ones that they're just lies for the console peasants. Would be fun! 

.......no you shouldn't.

Edit: lol. wud b funny.

Imagine every console players running around trying to do some "arc grenades + overload" glitch that actually is not there at all 

[Knockingbr4in]

Hadn't thought of Shockwave. I guess this could be a similar case then, though I'd be surprised.

[Shadow of Terror]

Knockingbr4in wrote...

Hadn't thought of Shockwave. I guess this could be a similar case then, though I'd be surprised.

Shockwave is easy to notice (it just stops working on PC), this stuff is more number orientated, since the only way you could really test on console would be to see how many bars it takes off.

[FateNeverEnds]

So biower actually fixed something. Who would say...

[Knockingbr4in]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

Knockingbr4in wrote...

Hadn't thought of Shockwave. I guess this could be a similar case then, though I'd be surprised.

Shockwave is easy to notice (it just stops working on PC), this stuff is more number orientated, since the only way you could really test on console would be to see how many bars it takes off.

You don't say...

[ndw542]

Isn't the off-host turian stability passive failure a PC-only thing as well? I've read about it for months, but never experienced it once (on ecksbawks).

[cato potato]

Hmm, I'm not sure about this. I use this Paladin build on gold and I can consistently kill Geth Rocket Troopers with one Snap Freeze then Incinerate combo.

Geth Rocket Troopers have 1350 health and 1350 shields on gold I believe.
According to your own combo damage table Corlist (and if the bug has really been fixed) then a 6 + 6 Cryo Explosion should only do 844 damage, plus the damage from Snap Freeze - 587.5, and Incinerate - 643.5 (against shields but with Freeze Combo 100% bonus) to give a total damage of 2075, leaving the Rocket Trooper with plenty of health.

However, if the bug is still in place (at least on ps3) then the total damage would be 3088 which is obviously enough to kill the Rocket Trooper (2700 combined HP).

Let me know if I've got any of those figures wrong but it seems like this bug was only fixed for the PC version of the game.

Edit: Fixed a mistake with the numbers - I forgot the Freeze Combo bonus on Incinerate. Even taking this into account though my point still stands.

Modifié par cato_84, 24 mai 2013 - 04:08 .

[Tallgeese_VII]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

N7didacus wrote...

corlist wrote...

- Without choosing tech combo, neither the AIU nor the Paladin's snap freeze will increase tech combo damage.
- AIU's snap freeze tech combo works with all tech combos.
- Paladin's snap freeze seems to be fixed and no longer works without picking it.
- Tech combo on Paladin's snap freeze only works with Cryo Explosions.
- Shadow's electric slash detonate still does not work.

data

*edit* Thanks to tyhw and monkey_crunch for the help.

I'm confused. What I understand while reading:
-Snap Freeze isn't glitched anymore. Correct
-So... as primer and detonator Snap Freeze's Tech Combo works on her? Only if you take rank 6B
-huh? So AIU's Snap Freeze is still glitched or what? No
-So... only as primer Snap Freeze's Tech Combo works on him? No, any cyro explosion works, you can prime with cyro ammo, then detonate wiith snap freeze. All other (TB/FE) do not recieve the buff
-I wish it would...

Please, could someone make it clear for me?

Answers in bold. Always take rank 6B essentially.

That`s better way to put it.

If they releases the ninja patch to fix this, possibly with Citadel DLC update...
WTH didn`t they fix Shadow Strike Atlas glitch at least?

[Tallgeese_VII]

ndw542 wrote...

Isn't the off-host turian stability passive failure a PC-only thing as well? I've read about it for months, but never experienced it once (on ecksbawks).

It`s there on PS3.
My most hated bug.

[DarthVarner]

What I want to have clarified is this:

Paladin's 6B tech combo only applies for cryo explosions primed by Snap Freeze, not other tech effects detonated by Snap Freeze. I get that.

However, from reading corlist's post it sounds like the AIU's Snap Freeze grants the +100% tech combo damage even if used as a detonator for FEs or TBs.

Is that correct? If so, the AIU's version is about 33% better than the Paladin's on a tech team (doubling damage of other tech effect detonations, not just the cryos). Perhaps this is intended, though, since the AIU can't self burst with powers.

Modifié par DarthVarner, 24 mai 2013 - 03:42 .

[Shadow of Terror]

DarthVarner wrote...

What I want to have clarified is this:

Paladin's 6B tech combo only applies for cryo explosions primed by Snap Freeze, not other tech effects detonated by Snap Freeze.

The AIU's Snap Freeze, however, grants the +100% tech combo damage even if used as a detonator for FEs or TBs.

Is that correct? If so, the AIU's version is about 33% better on a tech team (doubling damage of other tech effect detonations, not just the cryos).

No, the paladin's snap freeze still gets the 100% if it detonates a cyro explosion (such as with cyro ammo), it just doesn't get the 100% for tech burst and fire explosions. Edit: Yes, the AIU will do 100% to all tech explosions.

Also, I'm willing to test this out on xbox, but I'm not sure what enemy I could face with a level 6 Snap freeze and level 1 Incinerate, where the damage from a regular non 100% buffed cyro explosion wouldn't kill them (since I think it would kill a bronze cannibal? or at least come very close).

Modifié par Shadow of Terror, 24 mai 2013 - 03:47 .

[UnknownMercenary]

interesting

I'm not surprised that some stealth fixes were pushed out with Reckoning

[Shadow of Terror]

Am I right in presuming that a Paladin with no passives, a level 6 snap freeze without the tech combo chosen, with a level 1 Incinerate, shouldn't be able to kill a bronze Marauder?

If so, I'll test it on one and see if I kill it or not.