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[Zenon]

This thread is getting ridiculous. Bioware had their reasons not to include full nudity. There are many fans, who felt they wanted it, and some creative member of the community created a mod providing it.

So, especially by now there is not much left to discuss. Besides this topic has already been repeatedly discussed.

[Pinkleaf]

Good games always seem to encourage a following of excellent modders, allowing us to have our cake with extra squirty whipped cream.

[Abriael_CG]

I always find extremely funny how people would whine about "nude mods" in games. No one holds you at a gunpoint to download one. Actually, in the case of Dragon Age it's not just a "nude mod". Some quite talented people created a whole new body model (actually several) which is quite superior to the one provided in game.

Like in Oblivion before, this kind of new body models will be the base (or we can only hope that they will) to creating a whole trend of armor/clothing mods, that will inprove the variation and graphical quality of the game quite a lot. Without the eyecandy body and it's derivates, the Oblivion modding community would have not been half as big and creative as it is now.



So yeah, it's not just "******!"

[bjdbwea]

Zenon wrote...

Besides this topic has already been repeatedly discussed.

Very true. As said before, BioWare should simply have it done like in Mass Effect, where it was done like in many movies: Realistic "clothing", but with tasteful camera positions that leave most to the imagination. The way it's been done in DA does is ridiculous, no doubt about that. But I don't understand what's there to discuss anymore, as usual when a game can be modded at all, this has already been taken care of by some talented and creative modders. You don't really think complaining about this will make BioWare implement it in future games, do you? If anything, I hope the DA team takes a closer look at Mass Effect next time.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 17 janvier 2010 - 12:56 .

[Abriael_CG]

And by the way. "Full frontal nudity" and "graphical sex" from the get go would have netted the game an Adult Only rating in the US, which would have mead for some omnious distribution and promotion woes. Not to mention the fact that any game developer in the world knows that making an AO rated game on console is a no no.

[Loerwyn]

Ethan009 wrote...

True plus if their had been full nudity the game wouldn't have been able to been on consoles and DA would have easily lost at least half of its customers.

No. I fail to see how that's true at all. The love scenes in Dragon Age are "safer" than the Mass Effect ones. Mass Effects has full nudity (although next to nothing is seen) and a lot of implied happenings. Dragon Age's are effectively the same, only a little longer, no full nudity and a lot of implied happenings. Don't forget Mass Effect had the lower rating (in the UK it's a 15 whilst Dragon Age is an 18). The only reason DAO's rating is so high is because of the level of violence in it. If Dragon Age's love cutscenes were more graphic, it wouldn't affect the rating at all. I felt Dragon Age's scenes were poor because they lacked any form of realism, especially the female ones.

My reaction with Sereda: Oh, look, Leliana is sat on my fully armored Dwarf! Why?!

[bjdbwea]

That's not true. It's all about what can actually be seen. The Dragon Age scenes would show a lot of things, and of course it would affect the ratings. Exactly because of that, the characters continue to wear their clothes. Whereas in Mass Effect, the camera positions are deliberately chosen not to reveal too much. That's the main difference, and in my opinion the much better way to implement this. It's been done that way in movies and even TV for a long time.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 17 janvier 2010 - 01:29 .

[Allen63]

I like nudity merely for the "immersion" -- if people take their clothing off, then they should not have any clothing on (duh).

So, I use a good male/female nude mod -- outside of checking to see if it worked, I never look at the nudity as instantaneous armor switches don't go through an unclothed image. I have not had an "affair" with anyone in the party, so I don't know how those scenes will be affected.

If something can be fixed by a mod, I don't feel Bioware is obliged to do anything (except for bugs/glitches).

Modifié par Allen63, 17 janvier 2010 - 01:30 .

[Apocalizz]

Well, I'm not a prude or anything and I like to see a boobie as much as any other (and I'm a woman!) and yeah, I also go "yeah right" when people are having sex in their underwear (it happens in movies too!)....but I don't think this would have been a better game if there would be full frontal nudity. Do you really want to see in game male and female genitalia? They aren't really pretty to look at in real life, and I don't think I would like my pixels shaped that way either



And the natural bodies mod is a good option for people who like it, no?

[Dragon Age1103]

Excorant wrote...

Okey lets get to the point... Dragon Age is a great game by all means and... I consider it tries to deliver a realistic view on things (not on magic and races, but relations between people, politics and such). What I found most "unrealistic" in this way in the game were love/sex scenes... i tell you they are awful.

I had in-game romance with Morrigan + Leliana... well both are not completely naked in love/sex cutscenes, but that wont be that much of a problem, real problem is my character is always in heavy armor while kissing, having sex etc. So that looks somewhat funny when the woman looks into a closed helmet the guy having greataxe at his back and so on.

Next thing is in the story... i freed werevolves in one quest and they changed into human form and you know what... THEY WERE DRESSED ! Although before they had nothing on them, only their wolf fur. Such a nonsense...

I dont know why censorship has to be so hard... there can be a option for example in "Gameplay" option tab or something like... realistic/censored love scenes. That thing with werevolves was really disappointing I tell you.

   I agree with everything you had to say. I hear people often commenting saying there are so many perverted mods out there which I am sure that was the sad original intent of some(maybe) but for most it is to help pull you even deeper into this world. I mean they rape women, slaughter our king, kill children, all but one of those full effect in game scene but we can't have simple nude models. It does just seem very odd, obviously it is not game breaking at all but Bioware of all Developers pay very good attention to little details so as a hardcore fan this is a little bit of a let down. Once again though not a major complaint just something to help pull us into the game even more.

[Apocalizz]

And next thing you know it's "Alistairs manhood is exactly the same as Zevrans!" "why do all women have the same nipples!" It's killing immersion!

[Ginasue]

<<<<< is a mother who doesn't want to see nudity in the video game she is playing.

[Abriael_CG]

Ginasue wrote...

<<<<< is a mother who doesn't want to see nudity in the video game she is playing.

I wonder why "is a mother" would have anything to do with "doesn't want to see nudity in the video game she is playing"...

[BroBear Berbil]

Nude mods are pretty disgusting in that they simply look horrendous. Why does anyone want to see Sten running around with an enormous flaccid penis or Morrigan sporting abnormally large breasts? How is it "immersive" unless you have your pants unzipped? But people also download some pretty ridiculous hair mods so I'll never understand peoples' tastes. Better to watch a porno imo.

[Abriael_CG]

OnionXI wrote...

Nude mods are pretty disgusting in that they simply look horrendous.

Do they? Some of the body models out there for DA:O, not to mention the ones made for Oblivion are some very nice pieces of 3D modeling actually.

[Turkayzo]

Dantes Inferno has nudity why can't DAO have it!?!

[Abriael_CG]

Turkayzo wrote...

Dantes Inferno has nudity why can't DAO have it!?!

Dante's inferno doesn't have full frontal nudity and graphical sex at the same time. DA:O has graphical sex if you combine that with full frontal nudity that would have netted them an Adult Only rating.

[Killian Kalthorne]

I don't care if the it is a game, movie, television show, comic book, or whatever. If the story calls for nudity then there should be nudity. If a werewolf tears off its clothes in wolf form they shouldn't reappear magically. That makes no sense. If two people are going to have full on sex then nudity makes the most sense to have such acts in. Nudity for the sake of nudity I am against. Nudity because of how the story is told and fits the situation of the narration, then nudity needs to be in in order to keep consistency and immersion.

[DoctorPringles]

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

I don't care if the it is a game, movie, television show, comic book, or whatever. If the story calls for nudity then there should be nudity. If a werewolf tears off its clothes in wolf form they shouldn't reappear magically. That makes no sense. If two people are going to have full on sex then nudity makes the most sense to have such acts in. Nudity for the sake of nudity I am against. Nudity because of how the story is told and fits the situation of the narration, then nudity needs to be in in order to keep consistency and immersion.

You might not care, but Bioware does. They actually want to be successful and sell their game. Remember what happened to GTA when players simply ACCESSED nudity that the developers left in the game, but not accessable? They were forced to change their rating because of nudity that wasn't even a part of the game. You're suggesting Bioware has it several times in their game, but if they did that, as has been said before, they would have been forced to rate it adult and boom, halve their sales.

I'd prefer Bioware was successful with their sales.

[Apocalizz]

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

I don't care if the it is a game, movie, television show, comic book, or whatever. If the story calls for nudity then there should be nudity. If a werewolf tears off its clothes in wolf form they shouldn't reappear magically. That makes no sense. If two people are going to have full on sex then nudity makes the most sense to have such acts in. Nudity for the sake of nudity I am against. Nudity because of how the story is told and fits the situation of the narration, then nudity needs to be in in order to keep consistency and immersion.

I don't mind nudity in films, because you know, it's a real persons body. In books, I don't mind sex either, but I don't need a detailed describtion of what someone's "unmentionables" look like. And in a game, I don't really see the point. It's pixels, do the developers really need to design "Stens flaccid penis" as someone well put it

[DragonRageGT]

Apocalizz wrote...

Well, I'm not a prude or anything and I like to see a boobie as much as any other (and I'm a woman!) and yeah, I also go "yeah right" when people are having sex in their underwear (it happens in movies too!)....but I don't think this would have been a better game if there would be full frontal nudity. EDIT: QUOTER''S CUT!
Do you really want to see in game male and female genitalia? They aren't really pretty to look at in real life, and I don't think I would like my pixels shaped that way either

And the natural bodies mod is a good option for people who like it, no?

I was falling for this girl up to the CUT!
Perhaps we should destroy all the Greek, the Roman and Michelangelo's (or the whole Renaissance's) classic sculptures and Art in general. And bring the world to another Dark Age while we're at it, with an Inquisition going around burning those devilish people who enjoy the perfection of what Nature and billions years of Evolution gave us and finds beauty in the whole human body?

But I totally agree that DA wouldn't have been a better game if there were full nudity. Not for that reason at least. And since there is a powerful toolset available and an amazing modding community, nothing to complain from those who want it. There is even an "extended" sex scenes mod or "sex scene always play" for those who can't live without it, either in game or out of it.

I just think that someone who's been prepared for the world, by their parents, is way less likely to be a disturbed person than those who have been protected from it.

[xka]

Zenon wrote...

This thread is getting ridiculous. Bioware had their reasons not to include full nudity. There are many fans, who felt they wanted it, and some creative member of the community created a mod providing it.
So, especially by now there is not much left to discuss. Besides this topic has already been repeatedly discussed.

Of course, BO and EA have their reasons; and fans of DAO, a lot of fans of DAO, clients of EA/BO, have our reasons to ask developers to include nudity, sex, or other things for adults (like are violence, gore and other things already refered) in their games.  why?..because we think that in a epic and fantasy history, this type of things are important, because we think that can add inmersion and adventure feeling.

To see porn or real breast, all we know where to see, thats not the question,. the question is to feel inmersion, and i think that if violence or other feeelins have their place, nudity or sex must be its place.

A lot, or someone of us, respectfully ask is a little more consistency in these terms..Well, one of the forum functions is to give developers our  opinion