202 réponses à ce sujet

[KnightofPhoenix]

The argument of "It's hipocracy to allow violence but not allow nudity", while it does have some merit, is also a bit exagerrated.

Violence is an inherent aspect of the game and it is necessary to have it. If a player doesn't want a violent game, he doesn't have to buy Dragon Age. Nudity on the otherhand, while it would be a good addition, is not necessary for the game to be what it's supposed to be. So think of it this way. Dragon Age would not be Dragon Age without all the violence. But Dragon Age would still be Dragon age without nudity. Nudity is a detail (one we can afford to not have), while whether a game is violent or not is a core aspect (expect the blood splattering all over our faces, which I found was annoying anyhow).

[Sarielle]

Harelda wrote...

embrace eternity wrote...

Why hasn't some body flipped out yet about the dog? Everybody keeps calling him boy (I even named mine Achilles) yet when you pet HIM and HE rolls over...well maybe the water was cold?

 Don't worry, there's a mod out now that makes him obviously (or really obviously, depending on your preference) male.

 Then there's one that does that same thing for Ogres.  

 

Uh yeah, I accidentally stumbled over that ogres mod and
I'm still cringing a little from the lingering mental image. I was
pretty sure it was impossible to scar me with a video game mod...but
now I'm not so sure.

Why is he so damn excited to be fighting me?? -shudder-


Uh...and
while I think wearing undies for sex scenes kinda kills immersion,
I think it's a moot point because, well, there are several mods to fix
that. -shrug- And I agree, American "no-nos" are backwards as far as
violence and nudity goes.

I did a study abroad in France in
college and it was odd to see say, jeans ads on huge billboards where
the models were topless or something. Odd, and refreshing. And I'm
female (and straight), so it has nothing to do with not seeing enough
breasts as a child or something.

Modifié par Sarielle, 18 janvier 2010 - 12:27 .

[DragonRageGT]

katie916 wrote...

if every 1 is that desprate for nudity maybe add a paid content for a nude mod make them pay 20 bucks for it this way pepole who want it can have it those who dont can do with out

You're nuts? There are some pretty awesome mods already, as mentioned above, and they are free!!! If ANY one is that desperate and can't be safisfied with the mods... there are SM houses around the globe. Visit the nearest near you and get spanked!

[Sarielle]

katie916 wrote...

if every 1 is that desprate for nudity maybe add a paid content for a nude mod make them pay 20 bucks for it this way pepole who want it can have it those who dont can do with out

Ahaha, I missed this!

Sure. And then the prudes can pay $20 to make all the sex scenes happen through a hole in a sheet. Brilliant.

[SarEnyaDor]

Sarielle wrote...

Sure. And then the prudes can pay $20 to make all the sex scenes happen through a hole in a sheet. Brilliant.

You know during the summer I'd like to have that sheet with a hole in it for RL  - less sticking and slapping then.

[MerinTB]

You know, without reading a line since I last posted in this thread (and I didn't read anything but the first post that time) I can sum up most of what this thread will be focused on.
(Except for the waffles - they always surprise me.)

1. Some people saying it is a rated M game so nudity shouldn't be an issue
2. Some people saying nudity has no place in video games
3. Some people asking why is violence more acceptable than nudity
4.Some people responding that violence in a game is acceptable because no kid is going to run out and chop an orc in half with a sword but they will run out and have sex.
5. At least one person bringing up Columbine or other acts of violence by kids that are always blamed on media influence.
6. A bunch of people mocking those who say nudity shouldn't be a problem by calling them perverts, telling them they should get a real girlfriend, or some other set of insults.
7. A bunch of people responding calling the former people prudes, religious zealots, Americans, ro some other set of insults
8. Pseudo-intellectuals arguing that adding nudity will hurt sales.
9. Other pseudo-intellectuals arguing that adding nudity may well increase sales.
10. At least one person wondering if adding or removing gore has the same effects.
11. America vs. Europe arguments.
12. Religion vs. secular arguments.
13. Statistics and studies, both made-up out of whole cloth AND "real" but not scientific will be quoted.
14. At random intervals some smart-alec will comment on "whoa, why so many posts/pages about nudity/sex?" like they are the first one to ever find that funny or interesting
15. At random intervals some smart-alec will tell those who want nudity to make a mod.
16. Some smart-alec will at some point respond that the nudity should be in the game but those who don't want it can mod it out.
17. At least one person will say they should have a toggle for turning sexual content off and on.
18. Waffles. Lots of waffles.
19. Sloth of Doom being caustic.
20. The thread will almost certainly get locked.

There, I saved myself the time of reading the thread. You can too!

Modifié par MerinTB, 18 janvier 2010 - 12:48 .

[Sarielle]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

Sure. And then the prudes can pay $20 to make all the sex scenes happen through a hole in a sheet. Brilliant.

You know during the summer I'd like to have that sheet with a hole in it for RL  - less sticking and slapping then.

That's what high powered fans are for. Besides, what fun is it if you can't look?

[Jaymo147]

Luchaire wrote...

CptPatch wrote...
And true to form in this warped society, the sex scenes get censored

Fortunately, there's a mod for that... 

Shameless plug eh Luchaire?

BTW: I do like the mod

[Anarchy Hoax]

Who really cares if there is nudity in a game? Sometimes nudity can add to the story if used properly. In other cases it is unnecessary. In the case of having nudity in Dragon Age, I believe it is completely unnecessary.

[Sarielle]

Anarchy Hoax wrote...

Who really cares if there is nudity in a game? Sometimes nudity can add to the story if used properly. In other cases it is unnecessary. In the case of having nudity in Dragon Age, I believe it is completely unnecessary.

See, I would argue if you're going to include fairly suggestive sex scenes in it, leaving a bra n panites on during stuff that obviously...uh, would be hampered by underwear makes it fairly necessary.

But as I also said I think it's moot because modders fixed that.

Modifié par Sarielle, 18 janvier 2010 - 01:16 .

[TafkanX]

I apologize if this has been brought up already, but I like how they approached nudity in ME. Everybody was nekkid, but the scene was portrayed artfully through the use of angles and such. I would have preferred this to the cheesy underwear romance sequences in DAO. And yes, I do know there are mods available for those fortunate to have the game on PC, but those of us stuck on consoles do not benefit from toolset mods (please don't take this as an invite to start another platform war). Just my thoughts on the subject, carry on.

[Anarchy Hoax]

Sarielle wrote...

Anarchy Hoax wrote...

Who really cares if there is nudity in a game? Sometimes nudity can add to the story if used properly. In other cases it is unnecessary. In the case of having nudity in Dragon Age, I believe it is completely unnecessary.

See, I would argue if you're going to include fairly suggestive sex scenes in it, leaving a bra on during stuff that obviously...uh, would be hampered by underwear makes it fairly necessary.

But as I also said I think it's moot because modders fixed that.

You do have a good point . I guess in the end it all boils down to your own personal prefrence 

[Sarielle]

Heh, yeah, I would agree with your sentiment overall. DA:O is an exception for me.

[Caozen]

Hellsteeth30 wrote...

If you want nudity, there's plenty of places on the internet where you can get your fix.

Given the horrific character models, at least on the console versions, I'm rather pleased you can't get full nudity.

I'm confused, so go easy on a petty console version owner when I ask this, but...

Are you referring to the potential of the character models through modding if you own the PC game, or are the vanilla models on the console blatantly inferior?
Just a thought. I think I recall hearing something about the game not being quite what it could be visually on something like the 360, but I could be wrong.

Besides this, I'd like to point out that, while subjective, character nudity isn't all that important. Epecially so when you consider how the bedding scenes only last for around 5 seconds. I could understand being put off by it a little (particularly concerning Morrigan. That's just silly.), but is that really enough incentive to have a heated discussion about it? 

[Luchaire]

Jaymo147 wrote...

Luchaire wrote...

CptPatch wrote...
Amnd true to form in this warped society, the sex scenes get censored

Fortunately, there's a mod for that... 

Shameless plug eh Luchaire?

BTW: I do like the mod

I'd be remiss not to take the chance to self-promote whenever possible, wouldn't I? 

Caozen wrote...
Epecially so when you consider how the bedding scenes only last for around 5 seconds.

30 seconds, actually. Unless you get a mod for that... 

[Ginasue]

Anarchy Hoax wrote...

Who really cares if there is nudity in a game? Sometimes nudity can add to the story if used properly. In other cases it is unnecessary. In the case of having nudity in Dragon Age, I believe it is completely unnecessary.

I'm so with you on this.  To me it's not that important, in fact I'm kind of glad they don't have more of it in there.  If they had I for one wouldn't even be playing the game, and I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way, 

I remember on NWN there was really two NWN's.  One for those who wanted to be able to let there family enjoy the game together, and those who wanted to have nothing but sex on it all the time.

[DragonRageGT]

Ginasue wrote...

I remember on NWN there was really two NWN's.  One for those who wanted to be able to let there family enjoy the game together, and those who wanted to have nothing but sex on it all the time.

Wat? Really? NWN? You mean mplayer? I remember a player made sp module that the main char was always a female and you'd get exp for seducing the males around... not sure if the females too... but other than that... nudity in NWN is new to me... and that module didn't have it either... just fade to black and... "sound effects"... hehe

[Excorant]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Violence is an inherent aspect of the game and it is necessary to have it. If a player doesn't want a violent game, he doesn't have to buy Dragon Age. Nudity on the otherhand, while it would be a good addition, is not necessary for the game to be what it's supposed to be. So think of it this way. Dragon Age would not be Dragon Age without all the violence. But Dragon Age would still be Dragon age without nudity. Nudity is a detail (one we can afford to not have), while whether a game is violent or not is a core aspect (expect the blood splattering all over our faces, which I found was annoying anyhow).

Ginasue wrote...

I'm so with you on this.  To me it's not
that important, in fact I'm kind of glad they don't have more of it in
there.  If they had I for one wouldn't even be playing the game, and I
don't think I'm the only one who feels this way, 

I remember on
NWN there was really two NWN's.  One for those who wanted to be able to
let there family enjoy the game together, and those who wanted to have
nothing but sex on it all the time.

Well then... I agree that violence is essential part of DAO, but gore isnt. The same goes about your party members running around covered completely in blood stains. Those things are also unnecessary if you ask me. Its unnecessary for darkspawn head to explode or having "final blows" where you jump 3 meters high to kill an ogre. The gore, blood stains etc. though adds to the game same as nudity and makes it look more real.

And about the second comment, I just asked for nudity to be optional - turned on/off. I dont want to force anyone to watch nudity scenes if he doesnt wish to, but i also dont want to be forced by others not to have this level of realism. And the custom made mod that so many people here write about isnt enough - first its just on PC as I understand and second its unofficial, so one has to interest himself in forums like this to get the information about it existing. It should be written in the game manual.

Lastly, as I said, its all about realism, not nudity itself. I will be happy if sex/love scenes in DAO looked like in Witcher for example if you played that game... no nudity really, but it didnt screw up realism.

[stillnotking]

It is pretty amusing that graphic beheadings and disembowelments are just fine, but God forbid anyone show a nipple.

There are mods, however, and they're not exactly hard to find. Unless you're on the console, in which case I guess you're stuck with the cheesy underwear.

[twintalons]

I have to agree with the OP.

I actually hadn't really thought about the werewolves being clothed, but now you mention it - how crazy is that! I mean ..... lady of the forest = fine ...... naked ex-werewolves = bad ??? Wha?

So ..... this game is billed as a 'dark fantasy epic' , but if there was nudity in appropriate places people would be screaming "Argh I saw a man's wee wee!!!" ??

I must admit I just don't understand what is so offensive about nudity per se . Do we not all have naked bodies of our own?

The bit I really don't get is that (according to US censorship laws I presume) sex scenes are fine AS LONG AS YOUR UNDIES ARE ON. What in the world??? Surely having sex is a little more adult than the simple act of being naked.

Lets face it those undies don't leave much to the imagination anyway, and you do see characters in them in a couple of spots in the game whatever you do. I would not object if the underwear was less revealing (especially when my char is getting up off the floor in Fort Drakon).

BUT if you CHOOSE to have your character have sex then surely you expect nudity! I am sure if you start to see it and are shocked to your core you can either hit ESC, or if unable due to sheer horror, then look away from the screen until the music ceases.

[Kalfear]

TafkanX wrote...

I apologize if this has been brought up already, but I like how they approached nudity in ME. Everybody was nekkid, but the scene was portrayed artfully through the use of angles and such. I would have preferred this to the cheesy underwear romance sequences in DAO. And yes, I do know there are mods available for those fortunate to have the game on PC, but those of us stuck on consoles do not benefit from toolset mods (please don't take this as an invite to start another platform war). Just my thoughts on the subject, carry on.

I agree fully.

Mass Effect #1 did handle nudity well. In the strip bar if you clicked on the stipper, you saw breast (americans, please stop reading here, heheh), and really I expect no less when I enter a strip bar. I didnt expect to see nakied dancers in Fluxs place in ME because Fluxsa wasnt a strip bar. Its all about immersion. For the love scenes, you really didnt see anything but it looked good and romantic and suggestive. And that was fine.

It still annoys me that there is nudity in DA:O (desire demon) for all system versions. Just not for the love scenes or time with prostitues (though that might be a blassing if you ever say "surprise me").

I should point out, when I say nudity I mean breasts, not the lower regions of guys and girls. The lower areas do deserve a AO rating imo. Breast is nudity, genitilia is porn. There is a diff. 

I downloaded the mod "natural bodies" for my PC game and it does have lower regions and thats not needed. In fact I actually beleive there should be no actual nudity outside a cutscreen unless designed to be nude (Desire demon, Broodmother). Its funny cause when the love making cutscreen scenes play, its obvious to me they were originally designed to be bare breasted as they WORK perfectly. All you see is breasts (and really not many of them) and the love making scenes just look so much more , well natural. Again, the immersion is there. To the point that you dont even really notice the breast unless your looking for it. IMMERSION! I cant say the same about the granny Panties, those you definately notice even when you try not to.

But anyways, Mass Effect with suggestive is also perfectly acceptable. Whats not acceptable to me is these granny panties/Bras that DA:O has now. Its tacky and there no reason to have them in a 17+ game.

Why is it ok to have full frontal nudity in a PG13 film but not womans breasts in a 17+ game?

[asaiasai]

Nudity in a Mature rated game is imho like icing on the cake, sure it is cake but hey it is not really cake without icing, even if your the type to scrape it off. I have always thought it would be a good idea to market a game for everybody then with the prevelence of DLCs for just about every title today why not have professionally done DLC of an adult nature for an extra charge, i would buy it. This way everybody is happy, if nudity offends you do not buy the DLC if you want that extra bit of realism then buy it, i see no conflict except with the "hey i do not like it so you can not have it" types who should just learn to mind thier own bussiness.



Asai

[crazykilla42642]

Kalfear,
You make a very good point. For me, I'm all about realism as far as clothes and what's underneath the in game armors. I don't know about the granny panties cause I haven't seen them. The first thing I did before even playing the game was download and install Amazon Curves from the nexus for the pure fact that every same sex character in the game has the exact same undies. That's just not realistic. Besides, what if I want my character to be the type that doesn't wear under wear. I did the same when I was playing The sims 2 back in the day. I think I would be pretty freaked out if I got in the shower and the enourmous blur consumed my whole body. As far as the lower regions being un neccessary for the cutscenes. I concur. the way they are is good enough. Of course, keep in mind that mine has been bare breasted since day one. Like I already stated. Realism. I don't know alot of people that tend to do the naughty and leave their shirts on. Unless maybe they have a third nipple or something. I like your points though.

Modifié par crazykilla42642, 18 janvier 2010 - 11:21 .