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[crazykilla42642]

TafkanX wrote...

I apologize if this has been brought up already, but I like how they approached nudity in ME. Everybody was nekkid, but the scene was portrayed artfully through the use of angles and such. I would have preferred this to the cheesy underwear romance sequences in DAO. And yes, I do know there are mods available for those fortunate to have the game on PC, but those of us stuck on consoles do not benefit from toolset mods (please don't take this as an invite to start another platform war). Just my thoughts on the subject, carry on.

This is the main reason why I switched to the PC for my gaming needs. Most of them anyway. I still play the Xbox for a few selected games. If it's most likely going to have a toolset and/or a Nexus for the game than I go to the PC. I really wish you could use mods through a flash drive on the xbox though. I'm not much of a fan of using mouse and keyboard for gaming. I'm getting better though.

[Zenon]

RageGT wrote...

Ginasue wrote...

I remember on NWN there was really two NWN's.  One for those who wanted to be able to let there family enjoy the game together, and those who wanted to have nothing but sex on it all the time.

Wat? Really? NWN? You mean mplayer? I remember a player made sp module that the main char was always a female and you'd get exp for seducing the males around... not sure if the females too... but other than that... nudity in NWN is new to me... and that module didn't have it either... just fade to black and... "sound effects"... hehe

Found the module "Save the princess" for NWN. I first wanted to post a link, but then decided against it.

Modifié par Zenon, 18 janvier 2010 - 02:18 .

[Killian Kalthorne]

DoctorPringles wrote...
You might not care, but Bioware does. They actually want to be successful and sell their game. Remember what happened to GTA when players simply ACCESSED nudity that the developers left in the game, but not accessable? They were forced to change their rating because of nudity that wasn't even a part of the game. You're suggesting Bioware has it several times in their game, but if they did that, as has been said before, they would have been forced to rate it adult and boom, halve their sales.

I'd prefer Bioware was successful with their sales.

Then they shouldn't have put such things in the game in the first place.  I prefer story integrity and cohesion.  If you can't put nudity in the game then don't have a sex scene in the game.  If you can't put nudity in the game, don't put creatures in the game that tear off their clothes.  Problem solved.

[Wulf74]

I realize that there is no comparison between DA:O and GTA, but this reminds me somewhat of the conversation and issue that blew up as a result of the "Hot Coffee" mod. The media/mothers had a heyday with Rockstar Games as a result of them actually programming in the sex scenes (let alone being able to control your actions during). Someone wrote a mod that simply brought that programming back into the game -they didn't create it. Rockstar went out of their way to bury it. Sadly it kinda fit the game - it is a lurid, dirty game. There are no redeeming qualities about that game whatsoever. However, all of the attention, in my opinion anyway had a negative effect on my feelings towards the game. I could care less about the mod - use it or don't - your call, It was good and bad press for Rockstar, but as I recall - the next game they released was Ping Pong... take it as you will.



I'm glad DA:O runs like it does. The gaps in "reality" aside - it's still the best game I've played in a long time - and one I keep returning to play - even after having played thru so many times. The nudity can play a part in adding to the realism of a game, and it can have a negative affect in RL. I think BioWare made the right choice in doing things the way they did - and according to everything I've seen everywhere else - most everyone feels the same.

[BroBear Berbil]

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

DoctorPringles wrote...
You might not care, but Bioware does. They actually want to be successful and sell their game. Remember what happened to GTA when players simply ACCESSED nudity that the developers left in the game, but not accessable? They were forced to change their rating because of nudity that wasn't even a part of the game. You're suggesting Bioware has it several times in their game, but if they did that, as has been said before, they would have been forced to rate it adult and boom, halve their sales.

I'd prefer Bioware was successful with their sales.

Then they shouldn't have put such things in the game in the first place.  I prefer story integrity and cohesion.  If you can't put nudity in the game then don't have a sex scene in the game.  If you can't put nudity in the game, don't put creatures in the game that tear off their clothes.  Problem solved.

They certainly could have gone the route of black screen and various giggles, ooohs, and aaahs but I think that would have taken away more from the setting than some underwear.

[booke63]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The argument of "It's hipocracy to allow violence but not allow nudity", while it does have some merit, is also a bit exagerrated.
Violence is an inherent aspect of the game and it is necessary to have it. If a player doesn't want a violent game, he doesn't have to buy Dragon Age. Nudity on the otherhand, while it would be a good addition, is not necessary for the game to be what it's supposed to be. So think of it this way. Dragon Age would not be Dragon Age without all the violence. But Dragon Age would still be Dragon age without nudity. Nudity is a detail (one we can afford to not have), while whether a game is violent or not is a core aspect (expect the blood splattering all over our faces, which I found was annoying anyhow).

Violence may be "inherent" to the game.  But you would not have to have the level of gore it also has--and glorifies with the killing blow animations.  So why not put a bra on that and keep it hidden?

Also the game has romance in it, and romance usually ends up with kissing and beyond, and we DO put a bra on the "beyond" and keep it hidden in this game.  To me romance is as core as any aspect of the game that does not directly further the main plot of the game--and more core than many apects like a majority of the side quests.  Thus I'm not convinced that violence is very much more "inherent" than is romance.

However, the gore IS resonably implemented and seems an easy extension of the violence.  I also think the nudity is nicely implemented--or would be without the undies.  I mean no one mentions in their arguments that you have to actually romance your intended, meet them, talk to them, give them gifts.  It's pretty wholesome, no?  If you try to romance more than one person, don't they have a problem with that?  (I don't actually know as I've not done it, but that also would be pretty wholesome as well.)  And contrast the romantic encounters with the ones at the Pearl; the difference between the 2 scenarios contain life lessons we've all learned and between which we can discern a definite difference.

Doesn't the instance or implementation of nudity matter?  Doesn't looking at a Playboy or a college boy movie's girl's dorm scene contrast greatly with video of  a breast exam or some natives on the Amazon basin?

Nudity good or nudity bad is all we have?  Really?  Even with these big brains of ours?

[Rhohan66]

Whatever it takes to keep the Govt out of it.

[Anarchy Hoax]

Ginasue wrote...

Anarchy Hoax wrote...

Who really cares if there is nudity in a game? Sometimes nudity can add to the story if used properly. In other cases it is unnecessary. In the case of having nudity in Dragon Age, I believe it is completely unnecessary.

I'm so with you on this.  To me it's not that important, in fact I'm kind of glad they don't have more of it in there.  If they had I for one wouldn't even be playing the game, and I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way, 

I remember on NWN there was really two NWN's.  One for those who wanted to be able to let there family enjoy the game together, and those who wanted to have nothing but sex on it all the time.

Yeah in my case it was my daughter that wanted me to buy this game in the 1st place, since Im busy with work almost all the time.I take an hour or so after she completes her homework to spend some time with her. Lol it the only time we're not at each other throats. Got to love those teenage years. 

[Ben-Juda]

Why is there this myth that if you are a adult you must like virtual sex? I don't think there is anything wrong with it. Nor do I think there is anything wrong with those who are into it. I think virtual sex is just lame. I play games to do things I can't do in real life, slay dragons, explore the vastness of space, save the world etc. Following this logic there seems to be alot of sex repressed people out there. But hey, it is a free country and to each his own. The sex and partial nudity in DAO is just a annoyance to an otherwise near flawless game. I do have to give credit to the produces of the Gears of War games, Modern Warfare II, and Brutal Legend who had the balls to put graphic or controversial material in there games and mantain their artistic integrity but at the same time have enough respect for the end users to allow them to taylor fit thier game experience to thier own peference/life style. Getting sweaty palms over some virtual babe is not a sign of maturity or immaturity. It is a matter of personal choice. Lets be tolerent and open minded enough to allow for both view points.

[Joshd21]

I didn't read every one elses replys but I demand nudity in this game. I mean if we are sticking a knife in someones stomach and cutting off the heads, shouldn't everything look and feel real. The romance aspect would be greatly impacted if they could detail sexually

It doesn't have to be complete sexualness but enough so on women they don't cover anything for the top. I know this might get the rated game adult only. However what if they released an unrated part of the game with subtle differences? such as more nuidty and mor realstic sexualness. Say this unrated was only open online through EA

and rated ones in the stores

[AnnaBananaBamBamBoo]

If they've advertised "romance" as a part of the game DAO, then it follows that most would expect the "romance" to be consummated somewhere in the game. The gratuitous cutscenes that are blacked out when the two lovers make love, according to Bioware because that's the way they made it, is sufficient consummation for the game flow. After all, it's not YOU who are falling in love, it's the character you created, your avatar. Now if this little puppet represents YOU and you have a hard on for Morrigan (or whoever), it doesn't necessarily mean your puppet does. YOU want to see Morrigan naked, YOU want to see her on you (not your puppet) so be happy that your puppet isn't getting any from the girl YOU so dearly love.

[SuperMaoriFulla]

In a few games you have the option to turn off violent gore, profanity filter, and/or have a parental lock to prevent young people from being exposed to inappropriate content. It wouldn't be to far of a stretch to have a nudity/sexual content block option put in as well. No different than setting up the show/channel blocking options on cable.

[F-C]

some people out there really make me feel sorry for the human race. nudity and sex dont even belong in video games in the first place, and these neck-beards get all upset that there isnt enough nudity.



i dont know about these perverts, but i buy a game to play a game, not to see soft-porn. i would have went to a seedy video store if thats what i wanted.



its pretty sad when someone can get upset that there isnt enough virtual sex in his video game about slaying dragons and saving the world.

[TheRev81]

Ah, we all love discussing the topic of nudity in games. To be honest about this though. You ALL came into this world nude, it's societies standards that make the general population look at nudity as a bad thing. I really don't care if there is nudity in a game or not, but when people start saying nudity is 'bad' then you are saying you yourself are a bad creation and should never have entered this world. It's the stupid standards that the governments/law officials etc put into place saying that the natural way you came into this world is NOT the way you should live. Instead you should live by what they say is right. Which is completely stupid. You do know that humans didn't always have clothes to cover their body, and the only reason we ever started covering our bodies was because of weather/protection (for example to keep warm.) But as I said, to state nudity is bad is stating that your natural body is bad, in which case you should seek help. You just have to love how the top officials in our countries determine what is right or wrong, in which it is not their decision to make.

Oh and in reply to the F-C person that posted before me. I find it rather sad that you all think it's quite alright to massacre and kill people, but it's not alright to show someone nude. You are a very sad individual to think that killing is ok, but nudity is not. That is what makes the human race look really bad.

Modifié par TheRev81, 21 janvier 2010 - 09:42 .

[SheffSteel]

How about...

Characters kiss in the camp.
Fade to black.
Fade up to show characters inside a tent. Romantic partner is poised about to blow out the candle.
Dialogue choices:-
1. No... leave it lit.
2. Go on.
Those that see nudity, then, are those that asked to see it. They have no grounds for complaint. No need for ridiculous emergency underwear to appear. Staging the scene inside a tent also removes one of the other sources of ridicule. (Note that the dog, however, will not stop barking under any circumstances.)

Modifié par SheffSteel, 21 janvier 2010 - 09:31 .

[Killian Kalthorne]

F-C wrote...

some people out there really make me feel sorry for the human race. nudity and sex dont even belong in video games in the first place, and these neck-beards get all upset that there isnt enough nudity.

i dont know about these perverts, but i buy a game to play a game, not to see soft-porn. i would have went to a seedy video store if thats what i wanted.

its pretty sad when someone can get upset that there isnt enough virtual sex in his video game about slaying dragons and saving the world.

Only thing I want is story cohesiveness and for it to make sense.  May that be in video games, novels, comic books, TV shows, movies, or TV talk shows.  Nudity for the sake of nudity is annoying, but undies or "fade to black" when such things don't make sense story wise is equally annoying.

[urielpie]

undies in a sex scene is about as lame as it gets

[F-C]

TheRev81 wrote...

Ah, we all love discussing the topic of nudity in games. To be honest about this though. You ALL came into this world nude, it's societies standards that make the general population look at nudity as a bad thing. I really don't care if there is nudity in a game or not, but when people start saying nudity is 'bad' then you are saying you yourself are a bad creation and should never have entered this world. It's the stupid standards that the governments/law officials etc put into place saying that the natural way you came into this world is NOT the way you should live. Instead you should live by what they say is right. Which is completely stupid. You do know that humans didn't always have clothes to cover their body, and the only reason we ever started covering our bodies was because of weather/protection (for example to keep warm.) But as I said, to state nudity is bad is stating that your natural body is bad, in which case you should seek help. You just have to love how the top officials in our countries determine what is right or wrong, in which it is not their decision to make.

when we came into the world we had an umbilical cord attaching us to our mothers too, should we then proceed to live our life with a leash around our necks being led around by our mothers?

at one point humans wernt intelligent enough to build homes either, so should we all go live in caves with clubs, because one time forever ago thats how it was?

your wild conspiricy theories do nothing but show that the people who care about this type of thing are the lowest denominator of the human race.

i mean jesus christ.


i probably play around 50-75% of all the games that come out on the pc, and i can tell you right now that most of them dont have this type of content, nor do they have these type of people posting in their forums. i would love for them to just remove it from the game so i could see this minority of basement dwelling freaks just explode in nerd-rage over losing their virtual sex scenes.

because you know, any normal person wouldnt care about it, and it would be funny to watch.

Modifié par F-C, 21 janvier 2010 - 09:42 .

[Killian Kalthorne]

However we live in a culture that says that violence is okay while nudity is not. SO which is the greater sin? Caving in a foe's head with a club or being naked?

[booke63]

SheffSteel wrote...

How about...

Characters kiss in the camp.
Fade to black.
Fade up to show characters inside a tent. Romantic partner is poised about to blow out the candle.
Dialogue choices:-
1. No... leave it lit.
2. Go on.
Those that see nudity, then, are those that asked to see it. They have no grounds for complaint. No need for ridiculous emergency underwear to appear. Staging the scene inside a tent also removes one of the other sources of ridicule. (Note that the dog, however, will not stop barking under any circumstances.)

Heh "emergency underwear"

[Viglin]

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

However we live in a culture that says that violence is okay while nudity is not. SO which is the greater sin? Caving in a foe's head with a club or being naked?

Which culture?
Some cultures nudity is an everyday thing. Hell, in some reading the weather while stripping is an everyday thing.

[TheRev81]

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

However we live in a culture that says that violence is okay while nudity is not. SO which is the greater sin? Caving in a foe's head with a club or being naked?

Ahahaha I added that to my post a second ago also. But it seems someone above us read everything in my post execpt the part where I said "I don't care if nudity is in a game or not." But why add a love scene in a game when being nude is part of making love? If you don't want nudity in a game, then don't add elements to the game where nudity should be a part of it. People get way too offensive when it comes to nudity, when it's just our 'natural' bodies, big deal. But I don't see where killing each other is in any way natural.

[Sarielle]

F-C wrote...

i dont know about these perverts....

Perverts? Really? lol. Thanks for a hearty chuckle.

[Goth Skunk]

What BioWare ought to do is what Inifinity Ward did with 'No Russian.'



Before you start your first character, ask a question: Actions and choices you make in this game may lead to romantic interests with characters in your party. Are you comfortable with sexual content?



Yes or no.



Those that say 'yes' can get their full nudity and sex scenes on.

Those that say 'no' will get something much tamer, like a romantic kiss by the light of a sunset or the moon.



The love scene in Mass Effect was beautifully done. It wasn't over the top, you didn't see any gyrations or nasty's bumping, but you got nudity. Far more believable than an unmodded version of DA:O where everyone's still in their undies.