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[Kataphrut94]

erezike wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

Smart person answer: Because you're an elite soldier and it's your job to do these things.

BSN answer: Because he's an indoctrinated spy trying to totally cramp Shepard's style and ally with the Reapers. ISN'T IT OBVIOUS!!!

Are you saying the bsn fans arent smart??  *sets the varrens on kataphrut*

Now please, there's no call for that...*silently readies neural shock*

I was referring to certain elements of the BSN fanbase, whom we've all seen from time to time, who legitimately believe such things. They're the ones who are not smart.

[Erez Kristal]

KaiserShep wrote...

I guess we can consider this a limitation of the game mechanics, since you can't manage the squad functions of more than 3 people at a time. It became a bit too obvious in ME3 though, how someone conveniently has to leave when a fourth character comes in.

I always assumed shepard was leading the vanguard squad the rest were doing cleanup, firesquad and reinforcement when necessary. but hackett always seems to send shepard and his small team on the normandy on solo missions whenever he can in me1,m3 afcourse arrival...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

I was referring to certain elements of the BSN fanbase, whom we've all seen from time to time, who legitimately believe such things. They're the ones who are not smart.

If you believe the crucible is a reapers trap then many of the bsn fanbase has a point

Modifié par erezike, 25 mai 2013 - 02:03 .

[Wayning_Star]

OP, it's not Hackett, it's Mother Nature. The one who devised evolution.

Evolve or don't make machines that do...lol

[MegaSovereign]

Zazzerka wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

Because it makes it easier for him to bang Shep's mother.

I thought Anderson was banging Shep's mother?

At this point who isn't?

[Erez Kristal]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

Because it makes it easier for him to bang Shep's mother.

I thought Anderson was banging Shep's mother?

At this point who isn't?

It is the end of the world i imagine they were doing wild orgies on a daily base at the crucible...

Modifié par erezike, 25 mai 2013 - 02:22 .

[The Night Mammoth]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

Because it makes it easier for him to bang Shep's mother.

I thought Anderson was banging Shep's mother?

At this point who isn't?

Good guy Cortez.

[Kataphrut94]

erezike wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

I was referring to certain elements of the BSN fanbase, whom we've all seen from time to time, who legitimately believe such things. They're the ones who are not smart.

If you believe the crucible is a reapers trap then many of the bsn fanbase has a point

Well it's obviously not, so they don't have a point. Regardless, I don't see how it reflects poorly on Hackett; if you had an asset like Commander Shepard at your disposal, you'd want to make the most of him.

[Karlone123]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

Because it makes it easier for him to bang Shep's mother.

I thought Anderson was banging Shep's mother?

At this point who isn't?

Shepard's dad.

[Erez Kristal]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

erezike wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

I was referring to certain elements of the BSN fanbase, whom we've all seen from time to time, who legitimately believe such things. They're the ones who are not smart.

If you believe the crucible is a reapers trap then many of the bsn fanbase has a point

Well it's obviously not, so they don't have a point. Regardless, I don't see how it reflects poorly on Hackett; if you had an asset like Commander Shepard at your disposal, you'd want to make the most of him.

if the crucible is a reaper trap then http://social.biowar...dex/11264403/12 could be true.

Of you have commander shepard at your disposal you also want to make sure hes still alive the next time you need him.

[Hazegurl]

tickle267 wrote...

i think the only mission you can really accuse hackett of trying to get you killed in is arrival

I agree. Although there is another mission in ME1 he sends Shep on that is a total set up assassination job. I'm sure he wouldn't heistate to make Shep take the fall on that too if any info about it can to light. I hated that ahole ever since.

[Cainhurst Crow]

erezike wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Hasn't everyone shepard's gotten a mission from who hasn't come along basically done the same thing?

No.

ME1:
Merchant: Go find my brother, his ship went down here. *Complete threser maw trap*
Council: We think saren has a base on noveria, it shouldn't be a problem for you. *Complete rachni trap*

ME2:
Illusive man: Shepard, I'm sending you into the heart of enemy territory on information I know is faulty. Go get 'em son.
Legion: Shepard commander, I need you and 1 other person to come into the middle of a heretic geth base.
Kasumi: Shepard, I need you to play dress up with me and steal my dead friends brains, just the two of us.

[Han Shot First]

It is part of the job description, and Shepard signed up for it.
 
A combat leader who is unwilling to risk the lives of the people under his or her command wouldn't be effective at their job. See George B. McClellan as an example.

Also a combat leader has two priorities. The first is mission accomplishment, and the second troop welfare. While the welfare of the men is one of the primary concerns of any combat leader, it is secondary to accomplishing the mission.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 25 mai 2013 - 08:32 .

[Erez Kristal]

Han Shot First wrote...

It is part of the job description, and Shepard signed up for it.
 
A combat leader who is unwilling to risk the lives of the people under his or her command wouldn't be effective at their job. See George B. McClellan as an example.

Also a combat leader has two priorities. The first is mission accomplishment, and the second troop welfare. While the welfare of the men is one of the primary concerns of any combat leader, it is secondary to accomplishing the mission.

Everytime you send people out in to the battle its a risk, thats obvious. the question is: is he doing his proper job in giving shepard the support he needs, airs strikes additional troops and etc.
mostly he sends shepard on his own and wish him luck.


As for cerberus- they supplied shepard with whatever help they could. since they were pulling so many resources their other operations were being compromised: see overlord and firewalker.

The council never liked shepard and only allowed him to the spectres in order to avoid sending their fleets to humanity's aid. it as the cheapest solution. they would have been happy if he died in noveria and they didnt try to hide it.


now i think I have more military exprience than most people around here. and im telling you this. no sound commander if he has the ability and isnt stretch thin will send his troops to complete a mission without proper support. by not sending support he his risking his troops and the success of the mission. 
Since i dont consider hackett to be bad at his job, then i believe he doesnt care much for shepard life. 

[Display Name Owner]

Well that's just it. In ME3 the Alliance is very much stretched thin. Plus, the Normandy is the only stealth ship the have apparently. Actually, I vaguely remember one of the Cerberus Daily News articles mentioning something about other N7s carrying out an operation using other Normandy-class ships, but anyway. Normandy's purpose is to go where other ships can't and make surgical strikes.

I'm sure that in the right situation air support would have been given, but off the top of my head I can't think of any missions or assignments in ME1, when the Alliance wasn't fighting a losing battle against the Reaper horde, where such support would have been appropriate or possible.

[Synergizer]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

Because it makes it easier for him to bang Shep's mother.

My Shepard's mother is deeaaaaad!!!

Hannah Shepard is dead? 


 Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Nightdragon8]

erezike wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

.... wow not many miltary types here....

thats what happens to great soldiers... the higher ups put them on more dangerous and dangerous missions, until the mission goes south or they succeed and end up mentally breaking them, then they give them a teaching job to train other soldiers to be just like them.

Seriously where do people make this stuff up?
When a special task force goes on a mission they get whatever support they can. you send a few teams to the mission. 
Being special soldiers doesnt mean you get to go to sucide mission one after another.

one of our special task groups most famous operations included over a hundred men over 2500 miles away into enemy's territory without stealth drives. http://en.wikipedia....eration_Entebbe

*sigh* my fualt didn't put the (Sarcasim) tags on.

Also considering Yonatan Netanyahu service and death on that mission, it doesn't discount that he was a good soilder and died on the battle field during a dangerous hostage rescue. After a long and dangerous career While he was previously injuried during the Six Day War. Did bunch of other stuff, and came back to lead that operation. I feel sorry for his loss and the symbol he represents of mankind.

However while it wasn't a "Suicide misson" Considering Shepard was only put on really 2 suicide missions during the coarse of 3 games. ME2 Suicide misson, and the ME3 beam run I think would classify as one. (maybe more akin to D-day beach evasion.

This is a Game, and if this was real. More than likly would have been promotoed and put into a place where he could have some power to shape the polices and or soilders the Allience where making.  But this isn't about Shepard the teacher but Shepard the next best thing to James Bond.

And on that note why doesn't anyone complain that James Bond is on the same kinds of missions yet its prefectly fine in that context but not so in this one.

[Erez Kristal]

James bond is a spy. while shepard is the best special forces operative in the galaxy, thats a big difference. james bond cannot be succesful with an army at his back because they would stand in his way on getting to the bottem of things.
Considering the type of shepard's missions which are almost all of them are shoot em up. it would be reasonable to assume he could have had more support in some of his missions.

When the normandy stealth drives were the only option on a mission then its true that there wasnt any other way. but there are also some mission which doesnt require stealth in me1 and me3. these missions could use some extra military support.

Arrival is the only mission we see some true support since there is a full regiment post on the asteroid base. too bad all of them want to kill shepard...

[Han Shot First]

erezike wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

It is part of the job description, and Shepard signed up for it.
 
A combat leader who is unwilling to risk the lives of the people under his or her command wouldn't be effective at their job. See George B. McClellan as an example.

Also a combat leader has two priorities. The first is mission accomplishment, and the second troop welfare. While the welfare of the men is one of the primary concerns of any combat leader, it is secondary to accomplishing the mission.

Everytime you send people out in to the battle its a risk, thats obvious. the question is: is he doing his proper job in giving shepard the support he needs, airs strikes additional troops and etc.
mostly he sends shepard on his own and wish him luck.

Shepard doing a solo run in Arrival was a gameplay issue, and I don't think you can draw too many lore-based conclusions of Hackett's leadership ability based on it. Basically it was done either because someone wrongly thought Shepard not having squadmates to back him up would make for fun and novel gameplay, or because it was cheaper than brinding back all the voice actors back to record lines for the DLC.

Similarly Shepard not having air (space?) or artillery support during missions is also driven by gameplay. Virmire for example would have been quite boring if immediately after landing Shepard called in the 5th Fleet for support, and they turned Saren's base into a smoldering crater.

erezike wrote...

As for cerberus- they supplied shepard with whatever help they could. since they were pulling so many resources their other operations were being compromised: see overlord and firewalker.

Shepard was on his own in ME2, just as he was in the previous two games. With the exception of Arrival and the Kasumi DLC most missions involve Shepard going into battle with two squadmates and no other support or reinforcements.

erezike wrote...

The now i think I have more military exprience than most people around here. and im telling you this. no sound commander if he has the ability and isnt stretch thin will send his troops to complete a mission without proper support. by not sending support he his risking his troops and the success of the mission. 
Since i dont consider hackett to be bad at his job, then i believe he doesnt care much for shepard life. 

I was in the military myself. I served four years in the US Marine Corps.

Sure, the missions aren't very realistic. But they aren't supposed to be, as Mass Effect isn't designed to be a hyper-realistic combat simulator. Its a Sci-Fi adventure. Also I think you're making the mistake of drawing lore conclusions from gameplay design, and I don't think that always works. The gameplay would not have been any different if it was Anderson sending Shepard into battle, or Primarch Victus, or the Quarian Admirals, or the Illusive Man, ect, ect.

[themikefest]

erezike wrote...
now i think I have more military exprience than most people around here. and im telling you this. no sound commander if he has the ability and isnt stretch thin will send his troops to complete a mission without proper support. by not sending support he his risking his troops and the success of the mission. 
Since i dont consider hackett to be bad at his job, then i believe he doesnt care much for shepard life. 

First off thank you for your service.

Second. Would you like to join me and others in the military discussion group to share your story? The link is in my signature.

I'm not not sure what  side missions I would send in air support or ground support.

With Hackett I find him to be useless(at least in ME3). No Admiral would ever admit that you can't win this way or that way to anyone regardless of their rank. It lowers moral and soldiers end up not performing at their best. The other thing is you never put all your eggs in one basket like he did with the Crucible. You always have a back-up plan.
 
I laughed when Shepard ask if we don't find the information on Chronos and all Hackett can say is "we send the fleets to Earth and take our chances with what we have". That's not a plan, that's someone who deosn't know what he's doing.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Yeah man, join us on the military group.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Hackett is trying to get Shepard killed like The Illusive Man did, because it is Shepard's job to die. And Shepard isn't very smart. Another thing... I've always wondered why Shepard only takes two of her squad with her on dangerous missions that are swarming with enemies. I mean come on, in ME2 Shepard had the dirty dozen and only took two? But in ME3 why only:

Liara
Garrus
James
EDI
Tali -- late in the game (unless you kill her on Rannoch)
Kaidan or Ashley (could get shot or left behind)
Javik -- must be purchased as DLC or CE

So basically you only have four core squadmates in ME3. Why couldn't you recruit:

Zaeed -- yeah, mercenary.
Jacob -- oh, yeah, he had to cheat on femShep w/ Bryn
Kasumi -- yeah, criminal.
Miranda -- oh, yeah, she had this whole sub-plot with her sister again.
Samara -- she just stood around the Citadel after the monastery thing.
Jack -- students if you could recruit her they had to allow Miranda, but why not. Oh yeah, Miranda was "ex-Cerberus", and the Normandy was now Alliance.
And Grunt. I could have used Grunt.

Ren. Shepard, Zaeed, Jack, and Grunt. Now that's a foursome. You know something bad is going to happen. We don't need luck. We have ammo. This is the most politically incorrect squad of the lot. And another thing, why don't we have weapons that deliver big explosions anymore? why do we have to wait until Priority Earth to get that Cain. I wanted big explosions. I wanted to say cheesy one liners. I wanted to blow up stuff. Call me immature. I don't care. I liked Arnold movies. I have all of them on DVD or VHS. Most on both.

But Shepard's a spectre. Screw Alliance regs. Throw Allers out the airlock. I mean Shepard could have used those people. And at least take one more person on missions. It's not a game mechanics limitation. They can put a follow with another character. It's a budgetary thing. It's more voice acting. More lines.

[Tonymac]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Hackett is trying to get Shepard killed like The Illusive Man did, because it is Shepard's job to die. And Shepard isn't very smart. Another thing... I've always wondered why Shepard only takes two of her squad with her on dangerous missions that are swarming with enemies. I mean come on, in ME2 Shepard had the dirty dozen and only took two? But in ME3 why only:

Liara
Garrus
James
EDI
Tali -- late in the game (unless you kill her on Rannoch)
Kaidan or Ashley (could get shot or left behind)
Javik -- must be purchased as DLC or CE

So basically you only have four core squadmates in ME3. Why couldn't you recruit:

Zaeed -- yeah, mercenary.
Jacob -- oh, yeah, he had to cheat on femShep w/ Bryn
Kasumi -- yeah, criminal.
Miranda -- oh, yeah, she had this whole sub-plot with her sister again.
Samara -- she just stood around the Citadel after the monastery thing.
Jack -- students if you could recruit her they had to allow Miranda, but why not. Oh yeah, Miranda was "ex-Cerberus", and the Normandy was now Alliance.
And Grunt. I could have used Grunt.

Ren. Shepard, Zaeed, Jack, and Grunt. Now that's a foursome. You know something bad is going to happen. We don't need luck. We have ammo. This is the most politically incorrect squad of the lot. And another thing, why don't we have weapons that deliver big explosions anymore? why do we have to wait until Priority Earth to get that Cain. I wanted big explosions. I wanted to say cheesy one liners. I wanted to blow up stuff. Call me immature. I don't care. I liked Arnold movies. I have all of them on DVD or VHS. Most on both.

But Shepard's a spectre. Screw Alliance regs. Throw Allers out the airlock. I mean Shepard could have used those people. And at least take one more person on missions. It's not a game mechanics limitation. They can put a follow with another character. It's a budgetary thing. It's more voice acting. More lines.

Well stated.  I think it boiled down to a cash and time limitation.  It was easier to feed the hype than it was to do make the game.  So we got this half baked zero machismo game.  None of the "Stick Around", Get to the Choppa!, or Screw you!!! as we get to kill Benny with the big old hand drill.

I liked my dirty dozen.  They were good people from every walk of life who were willing to give it all to save the lost.  But you know that Bioware had to disband it all.  After all, nothing could have taken us on, not even the Collectors. 

[Mr0TYuH]

Let's take a look at the United States Navy. Commander Shepard would be an O-5 with a 1130 designator. He would probably command an entire SEAL Team, which consists of 8 16-man Platoons and a Headquarters element. Shepard would not be spending time in the field. Shepard would be with the HQS element, coordinating the Platoons, not in the field. Also, SEAL teams usually deploy tactically as a Platoon, an 8-man Squad or a 4-man Fire Team. 2-man Sniper/Reconnaissance Teams are also used for sniping and reconnaissance. A 3-man team is strange. Teams can be subdivided and recombined, but personnel are rarely swapped around, since members have trained extensively to work together in specific roles. Shepard also would not be the XO or Captain of a ship, since he has not trained in those duties. Shepard and the team would not be part of the crew, merely passengers.

In other words, trying to use real world logic to explain a video game doesn't work. Shepard does not plan his ops. He does not conduct reconnaissance and gather intelligence before embarking on a mission. Given the size of Shepard's team, the fact that Shepard personally leads them while only bringing 2 other members and not coordinating any other support would indicate more that Shepard is suicidally incompetent rather than that Admiral Hackett is trying to kill him. Shepard has the resources to achieve the missions assigned but choses not to make use of the majority of them.