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[Raphael diSanto]

We're really arguing over this?



No, I don't want my squad mates to wear ugly armor. It isn't necessary for the plot. This is a work of fiction and I will happily suspend disbelief. Han Solo didn't wear armor. Conan doesn't wear armor. Aragorn wore leathers and tanked ogres. In any cRPG he'd be dead if he wasn't in high AC full plate.



You can take realism too far.



I like the way the squadmates look. I think they look very cool. If I wanted realism in my combat I'd enlist with the US Marines.

[Khayness]

There was nothing wrong with the outfit-like light armors in ME1

Atleast it's a little better than wearing bikini armor. Now that's ridiculous

[TJSolo]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

I like the way the squadmates look. I think they look very cool. If I wanted realism in my combat I'd enlist with the US Marines.

Really nothing worth debate since cool > all.

Although the armor the biotic user Liara wore in the intro did look cool too.

[Shotokanguy]

One of my hopes for ME3 is that BioWare gets a little smarter about the armor/barriers/shields explanations in game and in the Codex and stuff. I don't mind the system in ME2, gameplay wise, but I wish it made more sense. Why does armor protect an enemy from something like throw? Armor shouldn't be some arbitrary extra health bar, it should be something that protects you from damage.



I didn't mind squad mates not having armor, but it was sort of silly that some of them just put a little mask on. I wouldn't mind having another option there.



Basically, I just hope things make a little more sense in ME3.

[Grand_Commander13]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

No, I don't want my squad mates to wear ugly armor. It isn't necessary for the plot. This is a work of fiction and I will happily suspend disbelief. Han Solo didn't wear armor. Conan doesn't wear armor. Aragorn wore leathers and tanked ogres. In any cRPG he'd be dead if he wasn't in high AC full plate.

Suspension of disbelief is made exponentially more difficult when some characters use a different set of rules from others with no given explanation and any reasonable explanations utterly stymied by glaring exceptions exaggerated by the way rules apply to main character.

[Zanallen]

Grand_Commander13 wrote...

The point is that Grunt, Garrus, and Zaeed all have very different armor from one another.
It's sad you bring up Jenkins as an example of armor being useless. Those probes are no more damaging than any other enemy you encounter, and your shields hold up well enough. As for whether armor is useless or not, we'll just let the codex decide...

Combat hard-suits use a dual-layer system to protect the wearer. The inner layer consists of fabric armor with kinetic padding. Areas that don't need to be flexible, such as the chest or shins, are reinforced with sheets of lightweight ablative ceramic.

Or maybe everything changed in ME2.

If a bullet or other incoming object gets past the barrier, it contends with the more traditional body armor. A sealed suit of non-porous ballistic cloth provides kinetic and environmental protection, reinforced by lightweight composite ceramic plates in areas that either don't need to flex or require additional coverage, such as the chest and head. When the armor is hit by directed energy weapons, the plates boil away or ablate rather than burning the wearer.

Or not. It's not hard to notice: everyone who isn't one of Shepard's squad mates wears armor if they are participating in combat, whether they are a biotic or not. The rules are different for the squaddies, apparently.

I didn't say that Bioware couldn't make different and unique armors for all of their characters in ME2. I said that some characters have their reasons for not wearing armor.

As for Jenkins, that was kind of my point. Those probes are, in fact, less damaging than anything else in the game. I recall that Jenkins is hit with 2-3 shots. The shots are blue, suggesting that they are designed to bypass shields. So, Jenkins' is hit with disruptor shots that go through his shields and then kill him with around three shots. These shots hit him in the chest, the area that your quote there suggests has the highest amount of armor. Interesting...

Also, I am not suggesting that the armor isn't designed to protect. I am sure it was made with defense in mind; however, I am suggesting that it falls short in actual combat. For IC reference we have Jenkins' death. As a game play reference, we have how quickly everything dies once their shields are down. Even all of those mercenaries in their fancy armors.

Now, let us take current day body armor into account. Body armor is designed to protect against threats up to a certain range, with the best enabling protection against armor piercing rifle (About .30 calibre) rounds at least to a point. Of course, these heavy duty armors are up to 5-8 times heavier than your normal ballistics vest (About 30 lbs). Of course, higher calibre rounds will punch right through. Now, let's say that in the ME universe they have developed some new composite alloy that is lighter; the body armor in ME is still a full body suit that would no doubt be heavy and cumbersome.

And now let's look at the individual character reasons for armor in both games:

Shepard, Kaiden, Ashley: All are or were members of the Alliance military. I assume combat armor to be required when in the marines. Plus, after so much time in armor, they no doubt feel more comfortable in it.

Wrex and Grunt: Krogans. They pretty much all wear armor.

Liara: Don't know actually. Due to not actually being a soldier, with little to no weapons or combat experience and no training in the use of combat armor, she should have been wearing her science uniform.

Tali: Doesn't wear armor and is instead dressed in an enviro suit. It doesn't protect her from bullets, but no one seems to mention that.

Garrus: Garrus is, for all intents and purposes, a cop. He has a militaristic background and has aspirations of becoming a Spectre. Much like Shepard, I assume he has grown accostumed to its use.

Miranda: She isn't a soldier. She's more of a secret agent than anything else; a James Bond or Agent 99. How amny of them do you see running around in combat armor despite the constant danger they are in?

Samara: Incredibly talented biotic. Most biotics were light armor at best. I assume heavier armor effects biotics in some way. Plus, we've all seen how well Samara can hold a biotic barrier. I doubt she needs armor.

Jack: Personally, I would like her to be wearing something as I find her outfit ridiculous. However, as a convict and psycho, armor doesn't really fit her personality. Also: See Samara.

Thane: A trained assassin and a sniper to boot. Much like secret agents, assassins are really known for wearing combat armor.

Legion: No comment.

Zaeed: As a mercenary, he seems likely to be wearing armor. Though I have no idea why he only wears a breastplate.

Jacob: What exactly IS he wearing? Its like some mixture of light armor and a uniform.

Mordin: I assume he is wearing some form of enviromental suit turned armor. Its hard to say really.

And as for vacuum yes, you are right. But the damage caused by complete
lack of atmospheric pressure is catastrophic in a matter of seconds.
Holding your breath is actually one of the worst things you can do when
exposed to vacuum, it will literally tear your lungs apart. You can
technically survive for a few seconds, but you could hardly run around
and shoot things.

When do your characters run around shooting things in a vacuum? As I said, the one section of the game that might be vacuum lasts for three to four seconds.

[TJSolo]

One thing. Liara does wear armor it is shown in the start of ME2. It looks different than femSheps N7 and Ashleys alliance armor.



It just means we have to raise the level of disbelief in order for BW to maintain the gimmick appearances of some of the new characters.

[Zanallen]

TJSolo wrote...

One thing. Liara does wear armor it is shown in the start of ME2. It looks different than femSheps N7 and Ashleys alliance armor.

It just means we have to raise the level of disbelief in order for BW to maintain the gimmick appearances of some of the new characters.

I know. She wore armor in ME1 as well, though I believe that that was just because Bioware had all of the other characters wearing armor.

Though, to be honest, her armor in the opening of ME2 is just because the ship is getting blasted and she wanted to be ready for the inevitable (Enviro suit incase she was sucked out into the depth of space and all that). Same reason Shepard was putting on his armor, really.