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[Charlestonian Knight Templar]

My question is this. 

When finding a Tome or Manual such as Tome of Understanding or Manual of Gainful Exercise, does it affect the abilities of NPCs when applied to them.  Really, any of them but I'm most concerned about these immediately. 

I am most concerned about the Tome of Understanding or Tome of Clear Thought. 

If I use these on Jaheira and Immy respectively, can I expect Jaheira to be able to have more Druid Spells to choose from and to Learn.

Similarly, if I use the Tome of Clear Thought on Immy, will she be able to learn more Mage Spells or memorize more for adventures. 

It seems I've done this before and rnot received the benefits but I may not be seeing the picture clearly. 

Feedback is appreciated. 

CKT

Modifié par Charlestonian Knight Templar, 25 mai 2013 - 04:06 .

[Grond0]

You should get the benefits for NPCs yes.

That means you get more bonus spells for Jaheira, though not different spells as all divine spells are available to casters irrespective of wisdom.

For intelligence you can learn more spells just by taking a potion of intelligence (or mind focusing) anyway.

[Serg BlackStrider]

Charlestonian Knight Templar wrote...

My question is this. 

When finding a Tome or Manual such as Tome of Understanding or Manual of Gainful Exercise, does it affect the abilities of NPCs when applied to them.  

Yes.

I am most concerned about the Tome of Understanding or Tome of Clear Thought. 

If I use these on Jaheira and Immy respectively, can I expect Jaheira to be able to have more Druid Spells to choose from and to Learn.

Similarly, if I use the Tome of Clear Thought on Immy, will she be able to learn more Mage Spells or memorize more for adventures.

In BG1 Jaheira initially have 14 wisdom. That gives her bonus of two 1st level spells to memorize. If you give her all three tomes of wisdom (17) she will have a bonus of two 1st level, two 2nd level and one 3d level spells to memorize. That doesn't affect the number of druid spell to choose from - she already has all of them *learned*.

Immy initially have 17 intelligence. That gives her 14 spells per spell level to learn (you could use a potion to rise her Int more and learn more of course) and ability to learn max 8 level spells. Int 18 rise the number of spells per spell level to 18 and she will be able to learn 9 level spells. Intelligence doesn't affect the number of spells to memorize tho. Certain items do that instead - rings of wizardry, acuity, Dak'kon's Zerth Blade, etc.

Modifié par Serg BlackStrider, 25 mai 2013 - 04:03 .

[Son of Imoen]

Come to think of it, it is confusing indeed. For the priestly classes, increased WIS gives more memorization slots, but it doesn't change what spells are known. For arcane classes, it changes how many spells may be written down in your book (tip: temporary increase of INT with a potion of genius lets you write spells in your book that stay usable once the effect wears of), but INT doesn't change how many spells you may have memorized for actual use.

My favourite tomes-for-NPC's is Wisdom tomes for Branwen as she already has quite high WIS (16), it can give her a level 4 bonus spell for the 2nd tome you give her (a 3rd level for the first tome) and another 1st plus 4th level spell for the final tome.

Unless Charname herself is (part) divine caster herself of course.

Modifié par Son of Imoen, 28 mai 2013 - 04:21 .

[Charlestonian Knight Templar]

Thanks Grondo0, SBS, SoI,

Son of Imoen wrote...

Come to think of it, it is confusing indeed. For the priestly classes, increased WIS gives more memorization slots, but it doesn't change what spells are known. For arcane classes, it changes how many spells may be written down in your book (tip: temporary increase of INT with a potion of genius lets you write spells in your book that stay usable once the effect wears of), but INT doesn't change how many spells you may have memorized for actual use.

My favourite tomes-for-NPC's is Wisdom tomes for Branwen as she already has quite high WIS (16), it can give her a level 4 bonus spell for the 2nd tome you give her (a 3rd level for the first tome) and another 1st plus 4th level spell for the final tome.

I think what you're saying is exactly why I posed the ???  It has confused me.  I look for Jaheira, e.g. to have more nature given divine spells but none appear.  I did note that it added like one additional 2nd level to her when I went back to an old save  tried 'just to see.' 

MORE IMPORTANTLY, I just learned what good Potions of Genius (& to a lesser extent) Mind Focusing.   Before I played BGEE, (which, btw, I won't play again after this run) I always used PoG & PoMF for ensuring that my mages could learn spells so I didn't waste scrolls.  In BGEE, they auto learn which I think sucks - another reason I'm going back to Tutu - that & Hard Times, UB, Lvl 1 NPCs, etc...

CKT

[Grimwald the Wise]

I wouldn't use the tome of intelligence for anyone other than the PC mainly because of intelligence draining in BG2.

[Grimwald the Wise]

It has been said elsewhere, but what you might find of interest is that the use of tomes for NPCs enables dual-classing to classes that would otherwise be unavailable.