ruggly wrote...
[insert powerful and meaningful quote here]
"I like control." - Michael Jordan
How long until ControlShep goes nuts?
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#151
Posté 29 mai 2013 - 12:51
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"I like control." - Michael Jordan
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#152
Posté 29 mai 2013 - 01:00
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dreamgazer wrote...
ruggly wrote...
[insert powerful and meaningful quote here]
"I like control." - Michael Jordan
Perfect. Reapers be swishin' all day er'day now.
#153
Posté 29 mai 2013 - 01:39
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xlegionx wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
DinoSteve wrote...
Hadeedak wrote...
DinoSteve wrote...
If ever there was a choice that was renegade it is control.
If there was ever a choice that was renegade, it was destroy.
Keep telling yourself that.
When has killing your allies to complete a mission ever been a paragon option in the games? I can't think of any, I can name quite a few renegade options that do just that though.
When has taking absolute power over the entire galaxy ever been paragon?
"absolute power corrupts absolutely"
Power is incapable of corrupting an artificial intelligence, you're not making any sense.
#154
Posté 29 mai 2013 - 01:46
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Eterna5 wrote...
Power is incapable of corrupting an artificial intelligence, you're not making any sense.
Tell that to the Leviathans.
AIs can get creative with their programming.
#155
Posté 29 mai 2013 - 01:53
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xlegionx wrote...
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That's rather a silly truism, since there's no way of testing it.
"With great power comes great responsiblity."
One is from a historical military officer about people in positions of power. The other is from a fictional character about the superpowers of his nephew.
Which one should be taken more seriously?
And we aren't talking about a fictional character here? "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" is still just an opinion and really doesn't have to apply to any fictional character unless it's written to.
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#156
Posté 29 mai 2013 - 01:56
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And how do you know that? Unless it's actually in the game or the codex (it isn't) then you are just making up stuff.Power is incapable of corrupting an artificial intelligence
#157
Posté 29 mai 2013 - 02:27
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Can't be that good. Shepard stopped 'em, and I don't know about yours, but my Shepard had some serious moments of being a putz.
Though, I'd still say behind the scenes Foundation Series control is probably more powerful than the Reaper army. Which is what my more ambitious controlShepards would be going for. Ok, team, try to stop heatdeath. Go.
Also.
"It's better to light a flamethrower than to curse the darkness." Terry Pratchett.
There is no context in which I will not use every occasion to quote that. Including quotes in the thread.
Though, I'd still say behind the scenes Foundation Series control is probably more powerful than the Reaper army. Which is what my more ambitious controlShepards would be going for. Ok, team, try to stop heatdeath. Go.
Also.
"It's better to light a flamethrower than to curse the darkness." Terry Pratchett.
There is no context in which I will not use every occasion to quote that. Including quotes in the thread.
#158
Posté 29 mai 2013 - 02:34
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AlexMBrennan wrote...
And how do you know that? Unless it's actually in the game or the codex (it isn't) then you are just making up stuff.Power is incapable of corrupting an artificial intelligence
Depends on how, for lack of a better term, mechanical you interpret the AIs as. EDI seems pretty maleable in her core programming, but the Catalyst wasn't, near as we can tell, given how slavishly he stuck to his basic functions. If the Shepalyst does what it was 'programmed' to (via Shepard-death), it may be fairly proof against corruption, since it's stuck with what Shepard had to work with. That doesn't mean it's incapable of horrific things, since Shepard could have been a fairly horrible/incredibly naive person.
But I guess I just don't see corruption getting to an AI the same way it does to us. I upgrade my computer, it plays Mass Effect 3 better. It doesn't use its new power to stream Batman: The Animated Series in HD, the way I might. The Catalyst, EDI, the damn credit AI in Mass Effect 1, the crazy space station in 2, they all do what they did better, and the tweaks they make are in pursuit of their programming. You will notice the wildcard here: the geth.
I'm not sure what to make of that one, either. Maybe top priority in their programming was learning.
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 07:54
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Ever seen I'Robot where the central intelligence, rather than slavishly adhere to the letter of the 3 rules of robotics, chooses to use it's intellect to interpret them against the backdrop of circumstances.....
That is what the Catalyst did. But what I do not understand is why it could not look at the Reaper influence and see that it's action's had prevented AI's and Organics from killing each other.
The Catalyst cuold very well have withdrawn and played a part such as Dr Manhatten's in Watchmen where the mere threat of the Reapers keeps everyone united.
But instead. The Catalyst refuses to consider any other possible outcomes other than the ones it has plotted cycles back in advance.
Furthermore, it does not, or cannot, change the model of it's solution. It admit's that organics have outmaneuvered it when it admit's that it has been trying to destroy the idea of the crucible. Yet it expresses something akin to admiration when it discovers that the idea survived and has been built.
Gien that the galactic cycles have been shown to be adapting to the long term influx of Reapers every 50k years. And that a galaxy has been arrayed against it in Shep's cycle..... I would have expected, at the very least, more of a presence in looking for sign's that life in the galaxy was preparing for a Reaper invasion, rather than stick to a plan that has shown signs of being circumvented.
Long story short.... the Catalyst is so dim that Shep has to be, at least an improvement. But given the state of the Catalyst, it'll only be a matter of time before the Shepalyst needs to be replaced with a more up to date mindware patch.
That is what the Catalyst did. But what I do not understand is why it could not look at the Reaper influence and see that it's action's had prevented AI's and Organics from killing each other.
The Catalyst cuold very well have withdrawn and played a part such as Dr Manhatten's in Watchmen where the mere threat of the Reapers keeps everyone united.
But instead. The Catalyst refuses to consider any other possible outcomes other than the ones it has plotted cycles back in advance.
Furthermore, it does not, or cannot, change the model of it's solution. It admit's that organics have outmaneuvered it when it admit's that it has been trying to destroy the idea of the crucible. Yet it expresses something akin to admiration when it discovers that the idea survived and has been built.
Gien that the galactic cycles have been shown to be adapting to the long term influx of Reapers every 50k years. And that a galaxy has been arrayed against it in Shep's cycle..... I would have expected, at the very least, more of a presence in looking for sign's that life in the galaxy was preparing for a Reaper invasion, rather than stick to a plan that has shown signs of being circumvented.
Long story short.... the Catalyst is so dim that Shep has to be, at least an improvement. But given the state of the Catalyst, it'll only be a matter of time before the Shepalyst needs to be replaced with a more up to date mindware patch.
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 10:19
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....You know, I had a perfectly nice thread in which I talked about some Asimov concepts going.
I was feeling good about things.
And then you brought up that movie.
Everything was fine, Redbelle, until you showed up!
*cough* Excuse me. I just really, really hate "I, Robot" the movie. I grew up on a steady diet of fabulous Asimov stories from the library. I was superexcited about it. And then it happened. I saw it. And I was young enough at the time to be WAY angrier about it than I would be now. Like, if there'd been a pitchfork mob, I would have joined it. These days, I should probably rewatch it with an open mind. I hear it's not actually the horrific monstrosity I remember...
Yes. Sort of like that, except more like the short story about Speedy whirling indefinitely around a dangerous point, because he can't disobey an order, but when he gets too close to it, his self-preservation kicks in. And it's eventually broken by the protagonist endangering himself.
Research on the internet indicates the story I'm thinking of is "Runaround." Which was collected in, of all things, "I, Robot".
I was feeling good about things.
And then you brought up that movie.
Everything was fine, Redbelle, until you showed up!
*cough* Excuse me. I just really, really hate "I, Robot" the movie. I grew up on a steady diet of fabulous Asimov stories from the library. I was superexcited about it. And then it happened. I saw it. And I was young enough at the time to be WAY angrier about it than I would be now. Like, if there'd been a pitchfork mob, I would have joined it. These days, I should probably rewatch it with an open mind. I hear it's not actually the horrific monstrosity I remember...
Yes. Sort of like that, except more like the short story about Speedy whirling indefinitely around a dangerous point, because he can't disobey an order, but when he gets too close to it, his self-preservation kicks in. And it's eventually broken by the protagonist endangering himself.
Research on the internet indicates the story I'm thinking of is "Runaround." Which was collected in, of all things, "I, Robot".
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#161
Posté 29 mai 2013 - 11:14
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Wouldn't it be crazy if ME4 is set in a police state controlled by Shepard. Seems interesting, though I'm not to keen on Shepard being involved. I hope (s)he stays gone.
#162
Posté 29 mai 2013 - 11:16
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Maybe someone takes control of Shepard. Plot twist, everyone do the plot twist dance.
#163
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 12:49
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Shepard is nuts in the Control epilogue...
Holy ****, who wrote that?
Holy ****, who wrote that?
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Posté 30 mai 2013 - 01:00
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^Brought to you by the writers of synthesis, control....
#165
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 01:04
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It was the best-done epilogue IMO for hitting that tone (Destroy concentrated too much on the positive, Synthesis just felt like a propaganda piece).Bill Casey wrote...
Shepard is nuts in the Control epilogue...
Holy ****, who wrote that?
#166
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 02:03
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Every being who has undergone any mixing with Reaper technology has ended up dead or under its influence. I think Reaper's logic would soon because Shepard's logic too and he would simply agree with the Reapers after a short period of time if he chose Control.
#167
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 03:19
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Bill Casey wrote...
Shepard is nuts in the Control epilogue...
Holy ****, who wrote that?
I know. It was pretty brilliant. Easily my favorite part of the EC.
#168
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 07:26
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Morocco Mole wrote...
How come you guys keep going to the worst possible conclusion about the endings?
Because Control and Synthesis are just so horrifically retarded.
:whistle:Y
#170
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 08:22
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N7-RedFox wrote...
Every being who has undergone any mixing with Reaper technology has ended up dead or under its influence. I think Reaper's logic would soon because Shepard's logic too and he would simply agree with the Reapers after a short period of time if he chose Control.
Can't be that short or the Stargazer scene couldn't happen.
#171
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 09:06
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Yestare7 wrote...
Morocco Mole wrote...
How come you guys keep going to the worst possible conclusion about the endings?
Because Control and Synthesis are just so horrifically retarded.
Y
Nuh-uh. Your favorite ending is just so horrifically retarded. And will clearly end in flames within a week. Horrible flames. The only survivors will be cockroaches and kpop.
#172
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 10:25
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Yestare7 wrote...
Morocco Mole wrote...
How come you guys keep going to the worst possible conclusion about the endings?
Because Control and Synthesis are just so horrifically retarded.
#173
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 10:43
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A bit slower than SynthesisShepard.
#174
Posté 30 mai 2013 - 05:50
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Dubozz wrote...
Yestare7 wrote...
Morocco Mole wrote...
How come you guys keep going to the worst possible conclusion about the endings?
Because Control and Synthesis are just so horrifically retarded.
Kpop.
