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[Silfren]

ejoslin wrote...

Silfren wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

In the original DAO slides, you had the price- or princess-consort of Ferelden. It was Awakening that referred to Alistair and his queen. But there's no reason to think that the HN was queen-regnant or anything. There's no difference between a queen-consort and a princess-consort in this situation; whether you call her queen or princess, she's still the consort.

Alistair refers to the HN Warden as a queen in the main campaign, though.  I've always figured that it was a case of the writers having it as one thing originally, then meaning to change it, and letting some things slip.  Because there's a scene where the male Cousland can mention becoming King and Anora corrects him to say "Prince-consort, actually," but in scenes where Alistair addresses the issue, he only ever says queen, not princess-consort.  It's why seeing "princess-consort" in the epilogue slide was so jarring the first time I got those endings. 

I do note, though, that when you compare the two words, "princess-consort," versus "prince-consort," the feminine form doesn't carry the same connotative sense of power and authority.  It reminds me of Elizabeth I referring to herself as a prince. 

I think the difference is between Alistair's and Anora's personalities and what they would expect from their consort.  Cailin, for instance, wanted his consort Anora to co-rule with him, so he allowed her that.  Alistair would want the same.  Anora, however, would not want that, and in fact, in the epilogue if the HN marries her, there in fact are power struggles there.  It makes sense, as you are dealing with two very strong personalities.

Just as an aside, Cailan left the ruling to Anora, period.  He wasn't interested in the administrative duties of governing his kingdom, while Anora was only too happy to do it.  From what the in-game lore suggests, it seems more that Cailan was the true figurehead, since we're told that the nobility of Ferelden knew full well that Anora was the one doing the actual, if not official, ruling. 

Since Alistair uses the term "queen" multiple times--and, lest we forget, Maric's wife, Rowan, was also referred to as queen, as well as Anora, but the (vanilla) epilogue slides use the term "princess-consort", I think the issue truly is just a matter of a writing inconsistency.  The phrase "princess-consort" to the best of my knowledge, doesn't show up ANYWHERE else in relation to Dragon Age except in the epilogue slide.

Modifié par Silfren, 29 mai 2013 - 07:45 .

[ejoslin]

Silfren wrote...

Just as an aside, Cailan left the ruling to Anora, period. He wasn't interested in the administrative duties of governing his kingdom, while Anora was only too happy to do it. From what the in-game lore suggests, it seems more that Cailan was the true figurehead, since we're told that the nobility of Ferelden knew full well that Anora was the one doing the actual, if not official, ruling.

Since Alistair uses the term "queen" multiple times--and, lest we forget, Maric's wife, Rowan, was also referred to as queen, as well as Anora, but the (vanilla) epilogue slides use the term "princess-consort", I think the issue truly is just a matter of a writing inconsistency. The phrase "princess-consort" to the best of my knowledge, doesn't show up ANYWHERE else in relation to Dragon Age except in the epilogue slide.

My point was that Anora was still the consort -- her power was given to her by Cailin, and had he divorced her, she would have no longer had the title "queen." She ruled only on his authority, with his permission. With both HNs, they were still just consorts, though IIRC both are referred to as King/Queen in the Awakening epilogue slides and in DA2. To the populace at large, they would be King and Queen no matter what title was bestowed upon them by the landsmeet.

My guess is that Anora was trying very hard to make it clear to the HN that he would be the consort, not the ruler. And that she would not be handing things off to him -- rather, it was a political marriage to solidify her rule. So she was clear to use the term prince-consort.

Personally, since princess-consort and queen-consort mean the same thing (and I had plenty of wardens marry Alistair), I was never fussed about it. It was just a counterpoint to the male royal slide where he was called the prince-consort.